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There is a section of? visible rail just off Burnt Mill Road (close to St.Elmo) that has me wondering if the TAG had a spur in that area?
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If it is where I think you are speaking of, that is actually former Chattanooga Union Railway (steam dummy passenger trackage) later, under Southern ownership, known as the Belt Railway of Chattanooga. Remember the man that built the Chattanooga Southern (later known as TAG) also built the CURY/BRYofC and he granted CS/TAG trackage rights on the CURY/BRYofC out to the state line. The TAG mainline didn't actually start till the state line. The only tracks TAG owned north of the state line was their yard tracks and the team tracks by their general offices/freight depot at 10th and Newby St. C. E. James, the man that built both these properties, became Chattanooga's first millionaire by selling the Chattanooga Union Railway to Southern (actually Southern subsidiary Alabama Great Southern).? ?
Warren
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 08:30:49 PM EDT, Thomas Howard via groups.io <thomas.howard42@...> wrote:
There is a section of? visible rail just off Burnt Mill Road (close to St.Elmo) that has me wondering if the TAG had a spur in that area?
Thanks.
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This is most likely near or perhaps on the trackage you saw. .........Warren?
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 08:52:54 PM EDT, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:
If it is where I think you are speaking of, that is actually former Chattanooga Union Railway (steam dummy passenger trackage) later, under Southern ownership, known as the Belt Railway of Chattanooga. Remember the man that built the Chattanooga Southern (later known as TAG) also built the CURY/BRYofC and he granted CS/TAG trackage rights on the CURY/BRYofC out to the state line. The TAG mainline didn't actually start till the state line. The only tracks TAG owned north of the state line was their yard tracks and the team tracks by their general offices/freight depot at 10th and Newby St. C. E. James, the man that built both these properties, became Chattanooga's first millionaire by selling the Chattanooga Union Railway to Southern (actually Southern subsidiary Alabama Great Southern).? ?
Warren
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 08:30:49 PM EDT, Thomas Howard via groups.io <thomas.howard42@...> wrote:
There is a section of? visible rail just off Burnt Mill Road (close to St.Elmo) that has me wondering if the TAG had a spur in that area?
Thanks.
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Note that it is lesser track that mainline........Warren
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 09:04:00 PM EDT, WARREN STEPHENS <wdstephens@...> wrote:
This is most likely near or perhaps on the trackage you saw. .........Warren?
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 08:52:54 PM EDT, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:
If it is where I think you are speaking of, that is actually former Chattanooga Union Railway (steam dummy passenger trackage) later, under Southern ownership, known as the Belt Railway of Chattanooga. Remember the man that built the Chattanooga Southern (later known as TAG) also built the CURY/BRYofC and he granted CS/TAG trackage rights on the CURY/BRYofC out to the state line. The TAG mainline didn't actually start till the state line. The only tracks TAG owned north of the state line was their yard tracks and the team tracks by their general offices/freight depot at 10th and Newby St. C. E. James, the man that built both these properties, became Chattanooga's first millionaire by selling the Chattanooga Union Railway to Southern (actually Southern subsidiary Alabama Great Southern).? ?
Warren
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 08:30:49 PM EDT, Thomas Howard via groups.io <thomas.howard42@...> wrote:
There is a section of? visible rail just off Burnt Mill Road (close to St.Elmo) that has me wondering if the TAG had a spur in that area?
Thanks.
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Thanks guys, only visible bit is where it crosses a road and then follows....so overgrown can't determine how long the overgrowth has been there.
On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 9:04 PM, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:
Note that it is lesser track that mainline........Warren
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 09:04:00 PM EDT, WARREN STEPHENS <wdstephens@...> wrote:
This is most likely near or perhaps on the trackage you saw. .........Warren?
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 08:52:54 PM EDT, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:
If it is where I think you are speaking of, that is actually former Chattanooga Union Railway (steam dummy passenger trackage) later, under Southern ownership, known as the Belt Railway of Chattanooga. Remember the man that built the Chattanooga Southern (later known as TAG) also built the CURY/BRYofC and he granted CS/TAG trackage rights on the CURY/BRYofC out to the state line. The TAG mainline didn't actually start till the state line. The only tracks TAG owned north of the state line was their yard tracks and the team tracks by their general offices/freight depot at 10th and Newby St. C. E. James, the man that built both these properties, became Chattanooga's first millionaire by selling the Chattanooga Union Railway to Southern (actually Southern subsidiary Alabama Great Southern).? ?
Warren
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 08:30:49 PM EDT, Thomas Howard via groups.io <thomas.howard42@...> wrote:
There is a section of? visible rail just off Burnt Mill Road (close to St.Elmo) that has me wondering if the TAG had a spur in that area?
Thanks.
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Sorry, I'm late to the thread, but yes the track crossing Burnt Mill is the AGS and served as the connection from the from the Belt Yard to the TAG.? It was last operated by the CCKY until the chemical plant closed at Kensington.? I believe the line is officially "out of Service" but not abandoned.
The state of Tennessee has all of the Railroad Valuation Maps on line for free.? Unfortunately they are not indexed so you have to search through them by County and have some knowledge of the locations they list in their descriptions.? There are two maps that show TAG, one is Alton Park and the other Newby Street.? All of the other maps show as AGS.? The map of the area in Alton Park near Kirkland Ave and 46st/47th Streets does show some joint ownership of tracks between the AGS, TAG and CofG near the old Bunge Plant.
Tim Andrews
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 09:04:57 PM EDT, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:
Note that it is lesser track that mainline........Warren
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 09:04:00 PM EDT, WARREN STEPHENS <wdstephens@...> wrote:
This is most likely near or perhaps on the trackage you saw. .........Warren?
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 08:52:54 PM EDT, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:
If it is where I think you are speaking of, that is actually former Chattanooga Union Railway (steam dummy passenger trackage) later, under Southern ownership, known as the Belt Railway of Chattanooga. Remember the man that built the Chattanooga Southern (later known as TAG) also built the CURY/BRYofC and he granted CS/TAG trackage rights on the CURY/BRYofC out to the state line. The TAG mainline didn't actually start till the state line. The only tracks TAG owned north of the state line was their yard tracks and the team tracks by their general offices/freight depot at 10th and Newby St. C. E. James, the man that built both these properties, became Chattanooga's first millionaire by selling the Chattanooga Union Railway to Southern (actually Southern subsidiary Alabama Great Southern).? ?
Warren
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 08:30:49 PM EDT, Thomas Howard via groups.io <thomas.howard42@...> wrote:
There is a section of? visible rail just off Burnt Mill Road (close to St.Elmo) that has me wondering if the TAG had a spur in that area?
Thanks.
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Thanks guys really appreciate it.
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 10:30 AM, TIM ANDREWS <ANDREWSTIM@...> wrote:
Sorry, I'm late to the thread, but yes the track crossing Burnt Mill is the AGS and served as the connection from the from the Belt Yard to the TAG.? It was last operated by the CCKY until the chemical plant closed at Kensington.? I believe the line is officially "out of Service" but not abandoned.
The state of Tennessee has all of the Railroad Valuation Maps on line for free.? Unfortunately they are not indexed so you have to search through them by County and have some knowledge of the locations they list in their descriptions.? There are two maps that show TAG, one is Alton Park and the other Newby Street.? All of the other maps show as AGS.? The map of the area in Alton Park near Kirkland Ave and 46st/47th Streets does show some joint ownership of tracks between the AGS, TAG and CofG near the old Bunge Plant.
Tim Andrews
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 09:04:57 PM EDT, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:
Note that it is lesser track that mainline........Warren
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 09:04:00 PM EDT, WARREN STEPHENS <wdstephens@...> wrote:
This is most likely near or perhaps on the trackage you saw. .........Warren?
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 08:52:54 PM EDT, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:
If it is where I think you are speaking of, that is actually former Chattanooga Union Railway (steam dummy passenger trackage) later, under Southern ownership, known as the Belt Railway of Chattanooga. Remember the man that built the Chattanooga Southern (later known as TAG) also built the CURY/BRYofC and he granted CS/TAG trackage rights on the CURY/BRYofC out to the state line. The TAG mainline didn't actually start till the state line. The only tracks TAG owned north of the state line was their yard tracks and the team tracks by their general offices/freight depot at 10th and Newby St. C. E. James, the man that built both these properties, became Chattanooga's first millionaire by selling the Chattanooga Union Railway to Southern (actually Southern subsidiary Alabama Great Southern).? ?
Warren
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 08:30:49 PM EDT, Thomas Howard via groups.io <thomas.howard42@...> wrote:
There is a section of? visible rail just off Burnt Mill Road (close to St.Elmo) that has me wondering if the TAG had a spur in that area?
Thanks.
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I have Val maps for all the Alton Park players except the NC&StL. Tim I have put the CofG ¡°C-Line¡±, TAG in its entirety and the Belt Railway on a thumb drive to give to Randall Magnusson and George at the TVRM shops. I have yet to deliver it. When I finally do, get them to let you download them. Sadly these will not totally clear up track ownership in Alton Park. Perhaps NC&StL maps would? The CofG connection that gave them access to Alton park is covered by two maps. David Steinberg gave me an old horse blanket sized bound gazetteer map set of greater Chattanooga and although CofG came to own this trackage it was in the 1890s the property of the Chattanooga Union Railway. Did C. E. James sell it to the CofG or did Southern/AGS? If there was a CofG ?Val map, it stands to reason that CofG had possession by about the First World War. Maybe that is a weak assumption? Remember that when TAG was being relaid with 100 pound rail, there was always a progress chart in that year¡®s annual report. One year in the back and forth letters gathering this info, an executive wrote asking why there was suddenly a section of 75 pound rail listed when the line was being relayed with 100 pound rail. It seems that a CofG track crew got a little carried away working on the CofG Alton Park trackage, and they exceeded their maintenance limits and laid the 75 pound rail on a goodly swath of TAG yard trackage. So if the various railroads got confused as to who owned what, I guess we shouldn¡¯t be to worried about being exact ourselves? In times past I have lead impromptu tours of TAG and CofG yards. Showed remaining buildings like the TAG freight depot/general office and the CofG yard office. If anyone would be up to such an adventure again I would be happy to do so. After cooler weather that is.?
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On Jul 12, 2021, at 11:48 AM, Thomas Howard via groups.io <thomas.howard42@...> wrote:
?Thanks guys really appreciate it. On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 10:30 AM, TIM ANDREWS <ANDREWSTIM@...> wrote:
Sorry, I'm late to the thread, but yes the track crossing Burnt Mill is the AGS and served as the connection from the from the Belt Yard to the TAG.? It was last operated by the CCKY until the chemical plant closed at Kensington.? I believe the line is officially "out of Service" but not abandoned.
The state of Tennessee has all of the Railroad Valuation Maps on line for free.? Unfortunately they are not indexed so you have to search through them by County and have some knowledge of the locations they list in their descriptions.? There are two maps that show TAG, one is Alton Park and the other Newby Street.? All of the other maps show as AGS.? The map of the area in Alton Park near Kirkland Ave and 46st/47th Streets does show some joint ownership of tracks between the AGS, TAG and CofG near the old Bunge Plant.
Tim Andrews
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 09:04:57 PM EDT, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:
Note that it is lesser track that mainline........Warren
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 09:04:00 PM EDT, WARREN STEPHENS <wdstephens@...> wrote:
This is most likely near or perhaps on the trackage you saw. .........Warren?
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 08:52:54 PM EDT, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:
If it is where I think you are speaking of, that is actually former Chattanooga Union Railway (steam dummy passenger trackage) later, under Southern ownership, known as the Belt Railway of Chattanooga. Remember the man that built the Chattanooga Southern (later known as TAG) also built the CURY/BRYofC and he granted CS/TAG trackage rights on the CURY/BRYofC out to the state line. The TAG mainline didn't actually start till the state line. The only tracks TAG owned north of the state line was their yard tracks and the team tracks by their general offices/freight depot at 10th and Newby St. C. E. James, the man that built both these properties, became Chattanooga's first millionaire by selling the Chattanooga Union Railway to Southern (actually Southern subsidiary Alabama Great Southern).? ?
Warren
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 08:30:49 PM EDT, Thomas Howard via groups.io <thomas.howard42@...> wrote:
There is a section of? visible rail just off Burnt Mill Road (close to St.Elmo) that has me wondering if the TAG had a spur in that area?
Thanks.
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Warren Stephens