Re: Check out this sweet pic of TAG 50 and gang!
Bill,
I made several slides of the south portal a few days before the tracks were removed.? The removal train was parked a couple of hundred yards to the south (this was on a weekend when my father and I trekked back there).
Arnold
On 04/26/2022 12:21 PM Bill Delmar <bdelmar.list@...> wrote:
Thanks for all the details, Warren, very interesting. I agree with you the building is probably not a motorcar shed as it has steps up to the door. Also motorcar sheds don't need windows. I do not see any material such as ties in the gauge that would assist in turning and taking a motorcar off the track. There is what appears to be an old pushcart at the left edge of the photo,?perhaps sitting on ties.?
I don't recall ever seeing a photo of the south portal, maybe there is one out there.
On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 11:44 AM Warren Stephens < wdstephens@...> wrote:
Arnold is correct that is the north portal. Do you see how the track is straight leading into the tunnel and how the portal is directly on the face of the mountain? If it had been the south side, there would be a gentle curve leading into the portal and the portal would be set back into a rock faced cut and not flush like that. There was at the time this photo was taken, a water tank to the right of the photographer. Most people try to include it in their picture and therefore only a portion of the building on the left makes it into their image. There was a nighttime operator at the north portal - at least in steam days - this may in fact be the ¡°depot¡± or train order office. It could be a motorcar shed but I doubt it. Why no daylight operator I do not know. And I base this on the limited employee timetables that are known to exist. There may at one time have been a daylight operator. When Estelle was a going concern this may have not felt so isolated but boy I would not want to be in that holler by myself at night. It¡¯s spooky now in broad daylight. On the water tank side and therefore out of this picture there was a flanged wheeled scaffold that could be rolled into the tunnel to work on the roof or inspect it. I think the proper job title of the employees who worked this station would be operator tunnel inspector because in the bad old pre Coverdale days it was most likely inspected daily if not several times a day. When constructed, the tunnel was timber lined. Along about 1917 this lining caught fire and stopped train operation for several days. The brick veneer is only at the ends and was added after the fire. After the timber lining burned they decided to leave it unlined for some reason. Southern sprayed the tunnel bore with gunnite the stuff in ground pools are made of.?
Warren
On Apr 25, 2022, at 8:51 PM, arnoldeaves <aseaves@...> wrote:
I believe it to be the north portal, but wiser heads should weigh in.
Arnold
There is also a good photo of a tunnel portal, which would be Pigeon Mountain, but is it the North or South portal?
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 5:36 PM Warren Stephens < wdstephens@...> wrote:
If you click on the pic it takes you to a Flicker page with even more TAG pics. Look at the ones taken inside the shop building. Note the hostlers and consider the fact that they were only a few days away from loosing their job. Only track guys and train crews kept their job. For a few years anyway. All the rest of the roughly 90 TAG folks lost their jobs. The merger was consummated Dec. 31st 1970 at Midnight or Jan. 1st 1971 if you prefer. New Year¡¯s Day 1971. Thanks for posting the link.?
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Re: Check out this sweet pic of TAG 50 and gang!
Thanks for all the details, Warren, very interesting. I agree with you the building is probably not a motorcar shed as it has steps up to the door. Also motorcar sheds don't need windows. I do not see any material such as ties in the gauge that would assist in turning and taking a motorcar off the track. There is what appears to be an old pushcart at the left edge of the photo,?perhaps sitting on ties.? I don't recall ever seeing a photo of the south portal, maybe there is one out there.
On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 11:44 AM Warren Stephens < wdstephens@...> wrote: Arnold is correct that is the north portal. Do you see how the track is straight leading into the tunnel and how the portal is directly on the face of the mountain? If it had been the south side, there would be a gentle curve leading into the portal and the portal would be set back into a rock faced cut and not flush like that. There was at the time this photo was taken, a water tank to the right of the photographer. Most people try to include it in their picture and therefore only a portion of the building on the left makes it into their image. There was a nighttime operator at the north portal - at least in steam days - this may in fact be the ¡°depot¡± or train order office. It could be a motorcar shed but I doubt it. Why no daylight operator I do not know. And I base this on the limited employee timetables that are known to exist. There may at one time have been a daylight operator. When Estelle was a going concern this may have not felt so isolated but boy I would not want to be in that holler by myself at night. It¡¯s spooky now in broad daylight. On the water tank side and therefore out of this picture there was a flanged wheeled scaffold that could be rolled into the tunnel to work on the roof or inspect it. I think the proper job title of the employees who worked this station would be operator tunnel inspector because in the bad old pre Coverdale days it was most likely inspected daily if not several times a day. When constructed, the tunnel was timber lined. Along about 1917 this lining caught fire and stopped train operation for several days. The brick veneer is only at the ends and was added after the fire. After the timber lining burned they decided to leave it unlined for some reason. Southern sprayed the tunnel bore with gunnite the stuff in ground pools are made of.?
Warren On Apr 25, 2022, at 8:51 PM, arnoldeaves <aseaves@...> wrote:
I believe it to be the north portal, but wiser heads should weigh in.
Arnold
There is also a good photo of a tunnel portal, which would be Pigeon Mountain, but is it the North or South portal?
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 5:36 PM Warren Stephens < wdstephens@...> wrote:
If you click on the pic it takes you to a Flicker page with even more TAG pics. Look at the ones taken inside the shop building. Note the hostlers and consider the fact that they were only a few days away from loosing their job. Only track guys and train crews kept their job. For a few years anyway. All the rest of the roughly 90 TAG folks lost their jobs. The merger was consummated Dec. 31st 1970 at Midnight or Jan. 1st 1971 if you prefer. New Year¡¯s Day 1971. Thanks for posting the link.?
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Re: Check out this sweet pic of TAG 50 and gang!
Arnold is correct that is the north portal. Do you see how the track is straight leading into the tunnel and how the portal is directly on the face of the mountain? If it had been the south side, there would be a gentle curve leading into the portal and the portal would be set back into a rock faced cut and not flush like that. There was at the time this photo was taken, a water tank to the right of the photographer. Most people try to include it in their picture and therefore only a portion of the building on the left makes it into their image. There was a nighttime operator at the north portal - at least in steam days - this may in fact be the ¡°depot¡± or train order office. It could be a motorcar shed but I doubt it. Why no daylight operator I do not know. And I base this on the limited employee timetables that are known to exist. There may at one time have been a daylight operator. When Estelle was a going concern this may have not felt so isolated but boy I would not want to be in that holler by myself at night. It¡¯s spooky now in broad daylight. On the water tank side and therefore out of this picture there was a flanged wheeled scaffold that could be rolled into the tunnel to work on the roof or inspect it. I think the proper job title of the employees who worked this station would be operator tunnel inspector because in the bad old pre Coverdale days it was most likely inspected daily if not several times a day. When constructed, the tunnel was timber lined. Along about 1917 this lining caught fire and stopped train operation for several days. The brick veneer is only at the ends and was added after the fire. After the timber lining burned they decided to leave it unlined for some reason. Southern sprayed the tunnel bore with gunnite the stuff in ground pools are made of.?
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On Apr 25, 2022, at 8:51 PM, arnoldeaves <aseaves@...> wrote:
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I believe it to be the north portal, but wiser heads should weigh in.
Arnold
On 04/25/2022 5:42 PM Bill Delmar <bdelmar.list@...> wrote:
There is also a good photo of a tunnel portal, which would be Pigeon Mountain, but is it the North or South portal?
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 5:36 PM Warren Stephens < wdstephens@...> wrote:
If you click on the pic it takes you to a Flicker page with even more TAG pics. Look at the ones taken inside the shop building. Note the hostlers and consider the fact that they were only a few days away from loosing their job. Only track guys and train crews kept their job. For a few years anyway. All the rest of the roughly 90 TAG folks lost their jobs. The merger was consummated Dec. 31st 1970 at Midnight or Jan. 1st 1971 if you prefer. New Year¡¯s Day 1971. Thanks for posting the link.?
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Re: Check out this sweet pic of TAG 50 and gang!
I believe it to be the north portal, but wiser heads should weigh in.
Arnold
On 04/25/2022 5:42 PM Bill Delmar <bdelmar.list@...> wrote:
There is also a good photo of a tunnel portal, which would be Pigeon Mountain, but is it the North or South portal?
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 5:36 PM Warren Stephens < wdstephens@...> wrote:
If you click on the pic it takes you to a Flicker page with even more TAG pics. Look at the ones taken inside the shop building. Note the hostlers and consider the fact that they were only a few days away from loosing their job. Only track guys and train crews kept their job. For a few years anyway. All the rest of the roughly 90 TAG folks lost their jobs. The merger was consummated Dec. 31st 1970 at Midnight or Jan. 1st 1971 if you prefer. New Year¡¯s Day 1971. Thanks for posting the link.?
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Re: Check out this sweet pic of TAG 50 and gang!
There is also a good photo of a tunnel portal, which would be Pigeon Mountain, but is it the North or South portal?
On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 5:36 PM Warren Stephens < wdstephens@...> wrote: If you click on the pic it takes you to a Flicker page with even more TAG pics. Look at the ones taken inside the shop building. Note the hostlers and consider the fact that they were only a few days away from loosing their job. Only track guys and train crews kept their job. For a few years anyway. All the rest of the roughly 90 TAG folks lost their jobs. The merger was consummated Dec. 31st 1970 at Midnight or Jan. 1st 1971 if you prefer. New Year¡¯s Day 1971. Thanks for posting the link.?
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Re: Check out this sweet pic of TAG 50 and gang!
If you click on the pic it takes you to a Flicker page with even more TAG pics. Look at the ones taken inside the shop building. Note the hostlers and consider the fact that they were only a few days away from loosing their job. Only track guys and train crews kept their job. For a few years anyway. All the rest of the roughly 90 TAG folks lost their jobs. The merger was consummated Dec. 31st 1970 at Midnight or Jan. 1st 1971 if you prefer. New Year¡¯s Day 1971. Thanks for posting the link.?
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On Apr 23, 2022, at 7:02 AM, Brad Culligan <btculligan@...> wrote:
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TAG GP38 #80 back in HO from Atlas
Atlas's website is showing as new products two new runs of TAG 80. One will be in the as delivered to the TAG version and the other will be as #80 is today at TVRM with the dynamic brake hatch.
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60th Atlanta Model Train Show & Sale - THIS Saturday, January 15, 2022
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60th?Atlanta Model Train Show and Sale
THIS Saturday, January 15, 2022 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM
Gas South Convention Center (Formerly the Infinite Energy Forum) 6400 Sugarloaf Parkway, Duluth, Georgia 30097
Over 300 Tables of Model Trains and Railroad Collectibles For Sale ! Large Operating Layouts ! Atlanta's OLDEST and LARGEST MODEL TRAIN and RAILROADIANA SHOW ! Admission $10
New parking deck - $5 for up to?12 hours, credit/debit card only
Admission discount card
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For Dealer Contracts and Show Information contact: Charlie Miller 3106 N. Rochester Street Arlington, VA 22213
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60th Atlanta Model Train Show & Sale - Saturday, January 15, 2022
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60th?Atlanta Model Train Show and Sale
Saturday, January 15, 2022 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM
Gas South Convention Center (Formerly the Infinite Energy Forum) 6400 Sugarloaf Parkway, Duluth, Georgia 30097
Over 300 Tables of Model Trains and Railroad Collectibles For Sale ! Large Operating Layouts ! Atlanta's OLDEST and LARGEST MODEL TRAIN and RAILROADIANA SHOW ! Admission $10
New parking deck - $5 for up to?12 hours, credit/debit card only
Admission discount card
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For Dealer Contracts and Show Information contact: Charlie Miller 3106 N. Rochester Street Arlington, VA 22213
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MANCHESTER, GEORGIA, RAILROAD DAYS IS BACK - THIS WEEKEND!!!
MANCHESTER RAILROAD DAYS IS BACK - OCTOBER 15-16, THIS WEEKEND!!!?
NEW LOCATIONS:?
Friday Oct. 15 - Railfan Reception 7:00 - 9:00 pm?? Manchester Recreation Department gym, 121 Perry St, Manchester, Ga.?
Saturday Oct. 16 - Railroad Days Train Show,?9:00 am - 4:00 pm? Manchester Community Building, 105 E 2nd?Ave., Manchester, Ga.
Railfan Reception details:? Harvey George of Fayetteville, Ga. will be our guest speaker presenting a program on "Railfanning the AB&C, Then and Now."? The first 50 guests at the Railfan Reception will receive a FREE BBQ plate.? Please be our guest.??
Train Show details:? Open to the public 9 to 4. Dealers will be selling railroad history photos, books, memorabilia, and models. Model train layouts will be on display. REMINDER again, a new location in the Community Building - the Manchester Mill is being renovated this year.?
More information at .
We are very?excited to resume the tradition of Manchester Railroad Days and look forward to seeing old friends and making new ones.
Larry Goolsby? ACL & SAL HS?
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59th Atlanta Model Train Show & Sale - THIS Saturday, August 28, 2021
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59th?Atlanta Model Train Show and Sale
THIS Saturday, August 28, 2021 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM
Gas South Convention Center (Formerly the Infinite Energy Forum) 6400 Sugarloaf Parkway, Duluth, Georgia 30097
Over 300 Tables of Model Trains and Railroad Collectibles For Sale ! Large Operating Layouts ! Atlanta's OLDEST and LARGEST MODEL TRAIN and RAILROADIANA SHOW ! Admission $10
New parking deck - $5 for up to?12 hours, credit/debit card only
Admission discount card
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For Dealer Contracts and Show Information contact: Charlie Miller 3106 N. Rochester Street Arlington, VA 22213
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59th Atlanta Model Train Show & Sale - Saturday, August 28, 2021
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59th?Atlanta Model Train Show and Sale
Saturday, August 28, 2021 9:00 AM to 5:00 PM
Gas South Convention Center (Formerly the Infinite Energy Forum) 6400 Sugarloaf Parkway, Duluth, Georgia 30097
Over 300 Tables of Model Trains and Railroad Collectibles For Sale ! Large Operating Layouts ! Atlanta's OLDEST and LARGEST MODEL TRAIN and RAILROADIANA SHOW ! Admission $10
New parking deck - $5 for up to?12 hours, credit/debit card only
Admission discount card
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For Dealer Contracts and Show Information contact: Charlie Miller 3106 N. Rochester Street Arlington, VA 22213
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Re: Chattanooga Traction Company
Good deal. Shoot me a message on my personal email and we'll figure out a day and time to meet.?
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021, 11:15 PM Warren Stephens < wdstephens@...> wrote: Yes sir I would love to have it. Eventually I¡¯ll place my TAG material with the Chattanooga library. This is where the David Steinberg material is. It would eventually go with that. I sincerely appreciate the offer.?
Warren ? Warren. I have a whole tote of old files and such from the Chattanooga traction company that ns was throwing away. I saved what I could. Would you be interested in it or know anyone that would be? Would like it all to be saved. There's files from the early 1900s and up. Guys, I wanted to give you all a heads up. There is a fantastic article on the Chattanooga Traction Company in the latest issue of Ties, the magazine of the Southern Railway Historical Association. Ties is a wonderful, glossy, well crafted publication. For those who are not SRHA members, you can get a copy at many fine hobby shops. Riverdale Station south of Atlanta and the big hobby shop on Barrett Parkway in Kennesaw should have copies. Chattanooga Traction was a C. E. James property and if Mr James had lived, he would have very likely connected both properties and he may have even electrified TAG. This is not the old green Ties. Totally revamped and the editor is a great guy doing great work. Can't say enough nice things.
Warren?
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Yes sir I would love to have it. Eventually I¡¯ll place my TAG material with the Chattanooga library. This is where the David Steinberg material is. It would eventually go with that. I sincerely appreciate the offer.?
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? Warren. I have a whole tote of old files and such from the Chattanooga traction company that ns was throwing away. I saved what I could. Would you be interested in it or know anyone that would be? Would like it all to be saved. There's files from the early 1900s and up. Guys, I wanted to give you all a heads up. There is a fantastic article on the Chattanooga Traction Company in the latest issue of Ties, the magazine of the Southern Railway Historical Association. Ties is a wonderful, glossy, well crafted publication. For those who are not SRHA members, you can get a copy at many fine hobby shops. Riverdale Station south of Atlanta and the big hobby shop on Barrett Parkway in Kennesaw should have copies. Chattanooga Traction was a C. E. James property and if Mr James had lived, he would have very likely connected both properties and he may have even electrified TAG. This is not the old green Ties. Totally revamped and the editor is a great guy doing great work. Can't say enough nice things.
Warren?
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Warren. I have a whole tote of old files and such from the Chattanooga traction company that ns was throwing away. I saved what I could. Would you be interested in it or know anyone that would be? Would like it all to be saved. There's files from the early 1900s and up.
Guys, I wanted to give you all a heads up. There is a fantastic article on the Chattanooga Traction Company in the latest issue of Ties, the magazine of the Southern Railway Historical Association. Ties is a wonderful, glossy, well crafted publication. For those who are not SRHA members, you can get a copy at many fine hobby shops. Riverdale Station south of Atlanta and the big hobby shop on Barrett Parkway in Kennesaw should have copies. Chattanooga Traction was a C. E. James property and if Mr James had lived, he would have very likely connected both properties and he may have even electrified TAG. This is not the old green Ties. Totally revamped and the editor is a great guy doing great work. Can't say enough nice things.
Warren?
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Chattanooga Traction Company
Guys, I wanted to give you all a heads up. There is a fantastic article on the Chattanooga Traction Company in the latest issue of Ties, the magazine of the Southern Railway Historical Association. Ties is a wonderful, glossy, well crafted publication. For those who are not SRHA members, you can get a copy at many fine hobby shops. Riverdale Station south of Atlanta and the big hobby shop on Barrett Parkway in Kennesaw should have copies. Chattanooga Traction was a C. E. James property and if Mr James had lived, he would have very likely connected both properties and he may have even electrified TAG. This is not the old green Ties. Totally revamped and the editor is a great guy doing great work. Can't say enough nice things.
Warren?
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TAG trackage rights on the Belt Railway is a well established fact. But what is not commonly known is that the Belt Railway/AGS had about a mile or so of trackage rights on the TAG mainline. I am not really sure how or when this came about but I suspect that it dated back to the old Dicky clay pipe operation and that they were granted in the era when C. E. James still owned both properties. At any rate it was something Southern still had the right to exercise because in the early to mid 1960s, TAG published a list of potential industrial sights all along their entire mainline. It was noted in the entry for Dicky that any industry that located there could be switched by either railroad. I have found no evidence that Southern ever - appreciably - operated below the industrial complex in Alton Park. I understand that Southern spotted the occasional tank car at the fuel farm located near the state line. Many believe that these were company cars destined for the Southern's diesel shop at Citico. Even when the C&C was active on TAG the spur to the tank farm was overgrown and obviously disused. I have a few TAG era pics taken at the state line and these tracks leading to the tank farm were somewhat neglected but passable. There was an old Southern maintenance limit sign in place so the spur must have belonged to the tank farm. Does anyone have any info about Southern activity below Alton Park? I have always felt like the only things that ever really moved over this track south of the #4 milepost, regardless of actual ownership, was TAG trains.?
Warren?
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Re: What parts of Chattanooga did the TAG serve
I have Val maps for all the Alton Park players except the NC&StL. Tim I have put the CofG ¡°C-Line¡±, TAG in its entirety and the Belt Railway on a thumb drive to give to Randall Magnusson and George at the TVRM shops. I have yet to deliver it. When I finally do, get them to let you download them. Sadly these will not totally clear up track ownership in Alton Park. Perhaps NC&StL maps would? The CofG connection that gave them access to Alton park is covered by two maps. David Steinberg gave me an old horse blanket sized bound gazetteer map set of greater Chattanooga and although CofG came to own this trackage it was in the 1890s the property of the Chattanooga Union Railway. Did C. E. James sell it to the CofG or did Southern/AGS? If there was a CofG ?Val map, it stands to reason that CofG had possession by about the First World War. Maybe that is a weak assumption? Remember that when TAG was being relaid with 100 pound rail, there was always a progress chart in that year¡®s annual report. One year in the back and forth letters gathering this info, an executive wrote asking why there was suddenly a section of 75 pound rail listed when the line was being relayed with 100 pound rail. It seems that a CofG track crew got a little carried away working on the CofG Alton Park trackage, and they exceeded their maintenance limits and laid the 75 pound rail on a goodly swath of TAG yard trackage. So if the various railroads got confused as to who owned what, I guess we shouldn¡¯t be to worried about being exact ourselves? In times past I have lead impromptu tours of TAG and CofG yards. Showed remaining buildings like the TAG freight depot/general office and the CofG yard office. If anyone would be up to such an adventure again I would be happy to do so. After cooler weather that is.?
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On Jul 12, 2021, at 11:48 AM, Thomas Howard via groups.io <thomas.howard42@...> wrote:
?Thanks guys really appreciate it. On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 10:30 AM, TIM ANDREWS <ANDREWSTIM@...> wrote:
Sorry, I'm late to the thread, but yes the track crossing Burnt Mill is the AGS and served as the connection from the from the Belt Yard to the TAG.? It was last operated by the CCKY until the chemical plant closed at Kensington.? I believe the line is officially "out of Service" but not abandoned.
The state of Tennessee has all of the Railroad Valuation Maps on line for free.? Unfortunately they are not indexed so you have to search through them by County and have some knowledge of the locations they list in their descriptions.? There are two maps that show TAG, one is Alton Park and the other Newby Street.? All of the other maps show as AGS.? The map of the area in Alton Park near Kirkland Ave and 46st/47th Streets does show some joint ownership of tracks between the AGS, TAG and CofG near the old Bunge Plant.
Tim Andrews
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 09:04:57 PM EDT, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:
Note that it is lesser track that mainline........Warren
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 09:04:00 PM EDT, WARREN STEPHENS <wdstephens@...> wrote:
This is most likely near or perhaps on the trackage you saw. .........Warren?
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 08:52:54 PM EDT, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:
If it is where I think you are speaking of, that is actually former Chattanooga Union Railway (steam dummy passenger trackage) later, under Southern ownership, known as the Belt Railway of Chattanooga. Remember the man that built the Chattanooga Southern (later known as TAG) also built the CURY/BRYofC and he granted CS/TAG trackage rights on the CURY/BRYofC out to the state line. The TAG mainline didn't actually start till the state line. The only tracks TAG owned north of the state line was their yard tracks and the team tracks by their general offices/freight depot at 10th and Newby St. C. E. James, the man that built both these properties, became Chattanooga's first millionaire by selling the Chattanooga Union Railway to Southern (actually Southern subsidiary Alabama Great Southern).? ?
Warren
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 08:30:49 PM EDT, Thomas Howard via groups.io <thomas.howard42@...> wrote:
There is a section of? visible rail just off Burnt Mill Road (close to St.Elmo) that has me wondering if the TAG had a spur in that area?
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Thanks guys really appreciate it.
On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 10:30 AM, TIM ANDREWS <ANDREWSTIM@...> wrote:
Sorry, I'm late to the thread, but yes the track crossing Burnt Mill is the AGS and served as the connection from the from the Belt Yard to the TAG.? It was last operated by the CCKY until the chemical plant closed at Kensington.? I believe the line is officially "out of Service" but not abandoned.
The state of Tennessee has all of the Railroad Valuation Maps on line for free.? Unfortunately they are not indexed so you have to search through them by County and have some knowledge of the locations they list in their descriptions.? There are two maps that show TAG, one is Alton Park and the other Newby Street.? All of the other maps show as AGS.? The map of the area in Alton Park near Kirkland Ave and 46st/47th Streets does show some joint ownership of tracks between the AGS, TAG and CofG near the old Bunge Plant.
Tim Andrews
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 09:04:57 PM EDT, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:
Note that it is lesser track that mainline........Warren
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 09:04:00 PM EDT, WARREN STEPHENS <wdstephens@...> wrote:
This is most likely near or perhaps on the trackage you saw. .........Warren?
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 08:52:54 PM EDT, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:
If it is where I think you are speaking of, that is actually former Chattanooga Union Railway (steam dummy passenger trackage) later, under Southern ownership, known as the Belt Railway of Chattanooga. Remember the man that built the Chattanooga Southern (later known as TAG) also built the CURY/BRYofC and he granted CS/TAG trackage rights on the CURY/BRYofC out to the state line. The TAG mainline didn't actually start till the state line. The only tracks TAG owned north of the state line was their yard tracks and the team tracks by their general offices/freight depot at 10th and Newby St. C. E. James, the man that built both these properties, became Chattanooga's first millionaire by selling the Chattanooga Union Railway to Southern (actually Southern subsidiary Alabama Great Southern).? ?
Warren
On Sunday, July 11, 2021, 08:30:49 PM EDT, Thomas Howard via groups.io <thomas.howard42@...> wrote:
There is a section of? visible rail just off Burnt Mill Road (close to St.Elmo) that has me wondering if the TAG had a spur in that area?
Thanks.
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