On Aug 28, 2024, at 6:13?PM, Steven D Johnson via groups.io <tenncentralrwy@...> wrote:

?Warren,

Is there a PDF scan of that guide somewhere on-line and available for
download? Do you have yours scanned? I'd like to have a file of that
document.

Thanks,

Steve Johnson
Nashville, TN

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Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2024 4:54 PM
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Subject: [tagroute] Industrial sights guide

You may recall my referencing a guide to potential industry sights along
TAG. The listing I just sent from eBay is that guide. Note the picture of
the boat on the cover. TAG actually owned that boat and used it to entertain
customers and potential customers. Not the most exciting TAG item you can
add to your collection but I have gleaned good information from my copy.

Warren






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On Aug 11, 2024, at 7:48?PM, David Luther via groups.io <dwluther@...> wrote:

? This is so cool. As a child, I knew many of the men listed. Engineer Ira Hale is the one who allowed me to ride the cab with him from Gadsden to Menlo one morning. Quickly dropped me off and continued to Chattanooga. The flagmen listed, Shannon was killed in Gadsden one night getting caught between two train cars while making up the northbound train. Studdard is still alive living near Sandrock. They were also family friends.

On Sunday, August 11, 2024, 3:54 PM, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:

I had to clear out some old photos in the group in case these put us over group file limit. This is Tuesday 26 Jan. Note, Southern owned TAG at this point - since 1 Jan. - but TAG ran as always until being incorporated into the Crescent Div. in March. The separate typed and scotch taped on paper appears to be the days lineup.

Warren

On Aug 11, 2024, at 7:48?PM, David Luther via groups.io <dwluther@...> wrote:

? This is so cool. As a child, I knew many of the men listed. Engineer Ira Hale is the one who allowed me to ride the cab with him from Gadsden to Menlo one morning. Quickly dropped me off and continued to Chattanooga. The flagmen listed, Shannon was killed in Gadsden one night getting caught between two train cars while making up the northbound train. Studdard is still alive living near Sandrock. They were also family friends.

On Sunday, August 11, 2024, 3:54 PM, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:

I had to clear out some old photos in the group in case these put us over group file limit. This is Tuesday 26 Jan. Note, Southern owned TAG at this point - since 1 Jan. - but TAG ran as always until being incorporated into the Crescent Div. in March. The separate typed and scotch taped on paper appears to be the days lineup.

Warren

On Sunday, August 11, 2024, 3:54 PM, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:

I had to clear out some old photos in the group in case these put us over group file limit. This is Tuesday 26 Jan. Note, Southern owned TAG at this point - since 1 Jan. - but TAG ran as always until being incorporated into the Crescent Div. in March. The separate typed and scotch taped on paper appears to be the days lineup.

Warren

On Aug 11, 2024, at 4:34?PM, David Luther via groups.io <dwluther@...> wrote:

? I see my daddy’s initials acknowledging the change at Menlo. (TL).

Cool?

On Sunday, August 11, 2024, 3:58 PM, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:

This is the next day and the one with the

Southern extra. Attached is the separate lineup and what appears to be an amended lineup.

Warren

On Sunday, August 11, 2024, 3:58 PM, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:

This is the next day and the one with the

Southern extra. Attached is the separate lineup and what appears to be an amended lineup.

Warren

On 08/05/2024 11:22 PM EDT Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:


I think we previously discussed the fact, that according to a 1960s list of potential industrial sites located along TAG, that Southern Railway supposedly had trackage rights on the TAG as far south as Dicky. And that any shipper who located there could expect to be served by either railroads. We are not talking about far. Arnold, correct me if I am wrong but Dicky is maybe a mile or so below the TN/GA state line. At that time I speculated that perhaps these trackage rights dated back to the Chattanooga Belt Railway during the time both properties were owned by C. E. James. And that although these rights still stood, they were probably never used. Well I stand corrected. Two TAG dispatchers sheets showed up on EBay and I bought them both. On one there is a Southern extra to Dicky listed. Extra 2246 south and extra 307 north. These two locomotives swapped lead after they ran around whatever their train was. I don’t have my CofG roster in front of me but if memory serves the 307 was a former CofG SW9. And I am really bad with Southern switchers but I think the 2246 was maybe an NW2. It gave the names of the Southern conductor and engineer etc. What industry was this Southern extra trying to reach!?!?! I always assumed that the Belt Railway was accessing Dicky Clay but I don’t recall anything located in Dicky in the diesel era. When the Belt Railway was a Southern (AGS) property. Does anyone know? I know that Souther took tank cars down to the state line and got fuel at the tank farm. But I don’t think that would be considered Dicky? The tank farm was at the state line and I believe the industrial track to the tank farm originated above the state line and on Belt Railway trackage. Unless Dicky was the start of yard limits and they were just using it as a point of reference/clearance. But then why assign extra status to a train in yard limits?

When you get these sorts of documents they answer one question and cause a dozen more. When I get a chance I’ll scan or take a picture of the two sheets I have found. And I’ll post them. They were mailed in tubes so they have a curl. I’ll have to stick them down on my magnetic board. With work etc. it may be a few days.

Warren

On Jun 7, 2024, at 4:00?PM, WARREN STEPHENS <wdstephens@...> wrote:

?I know this is spendy for a coffee mug but hey, I bet with a mug like that, your coffee tastes better. Now we need a full set of five. Add 708, 709, 50 and 80!!!! My wife is not happy that I hunted down two complete sets of McDonalds 1980 vintage Garfield mugs. But besides that and a few squadron mugs, I don’t consider my coffee mug collection excessive.

Warren


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On Jun 7, 2024, at 3:50?PM, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:

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On 06/07/2024 4:55 PM EDT Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:


Well I thought I would share copies of the only two TAG passenger timetables that I have managed to find. The smaller and less elegant version from 1923 came in the mail yesterday but the 1912 variant has been in my collection for a few years now. The dealer I bought the 1912 steam era variant from said I would never find another because he had been a timetable collector for decades and it was the only one he had ever seen. They are both very delicate. The latest one I found in an action not listed under railroad memorabilia but in a collection of WW2 ration stamps from a person who had lived in Menlo. Dumb luck that I even saw it as the stamps were the focus of the action. The 1912 is perhaps the first issued under the TAG name. The 1923 is perhaps the first issue of the scooter era. Note how it plays up the motorcar service by bragging about the lack of smoke and cinders and dust. I don’t know about you but after a steam excursion I can tell how much fun I had by the size of the bathtub ring. I always thought that TAG only offered a local Chattanooga turn. With the exception of the very limited time they offered through coach service via their connection at Gadsden with the L&N. This was back in the Chattanooga Southern era. But look very carefully, there was scooter service in 1923 that also originated and returned to Gadsden. Four trains involving both scooters, a turn in each direction, from each terminal. I have never seen this mentioned before. The employees timetable from October 1915 does list trains one through four but trains one and two are Monday through Saturday and trains three and four are Sunday only with a slightly different schedule. Most TAG historians believed that they bought both scooters to have one in reserve and to protect the schedule if the primary car needed maintenance. It is known that TAG had on order, a third car from Brill, but they canceled this order. Perhaps they soon realized that the passenger yield was never going to support service in both directions so they in fact, didn’t need the third spare car. Oddly enough and about this same time, TAG bought a handful of surplus passenger coaches from the Central of Georgia. I believe these were for use with a northeast style milk train operation being purposed, servicing dairies in the Chattanooga Valley. But that is pure speculation on my part based on a few newspaper articles. Well let me know what you think. And sorry for my sock feet in the background. These were both single pages folded in the middle to make four panels.

Warren