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Re: TAG slides

 

Warren,
Back in the early 90s, Likelife started their proto series of models one of which was a GP18. They actually did the Central of Georgia in the Southern paint scheme with CofG sublettering. This product line ultimately was picked up by Walthers. I don't believe Walthers has produced the GP18. Atheran has a GP18 model now so maybe you should consider contacting them. Also since Atlas is doing another run of TAG 80, maybe they could be talked into doing the GP7s again.
Charlie


Re: TAG slides

 

I would love love love to see Atlas reissue the GP7s. Original they did 707 and 708. I would love to see them do the 709. Then folks that model the 1950s would be set. Get a N&W CF caboose or if you can find one, an ex NC&StL external brace caboose kit and you¡¯ll be all set. If Atlas would do the GP7 709 and someone come out with the GP18 50 then TAG molders would be set. I have an undecorated GP18 but I don¡¯t recall by who. Atlas has no GP18 or at least they didn¡¯t when they did the TAG stuff the first time. Maybe it was Athern that did the GP18s. People told me back then that they were never going to do southeastern railroads so I didn¡¯t send them the packet like I did Atlas. Maybe I should.

Warren

On Dec 9, 2023, at 10:48?PM, arnoldeaves <aseaves@...> wrote:

?I'm sure most of you have seen this but, just in case. . . Atlas models is taking pre-orders for the TAG GP 38 NO. 80 (HO Scale) Oddly they have two models listed: Original paint scheme and a second for the TVRM restoration. The thumbnail photos on the Atlas website are the same for both listings. That is about all the info I have.

Arnold Eaves

On 11/30/2023 1:09 AM EST Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:


There are several TAG slides on eBay at the moment. Rosters by the late Bill Folsom and all shot in Alton Park (South Chattanooga). He shot multiples of the same image so I believe I have most of these. There is one that I believe is by Connif.

Warren






Re: TAG slides

 

I'm sure most of you have seen this but, just in case. . . Atlas models is taking pre-orders for the TAG GP 38 NO. 80 (HO Scale) Oddly they have two models listed: Original paint scheme and a second for the TVRM restoration. The thumbnail photos on the Atlas website are the same for both listings. That is about all the info I have.

Arnold Eaves

On 11/30/2023 1:09 AM EST Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:


There are several TAG slides on eBay at the moment. Rosters by the late Bill Folsom and all shot in Alton Park (South Chattanooga). He shot multiples of the same image so I believe I have most of these. There is one that I believe is by Connif.

Warren



Re: estes kefauver

 

After Fess Parker made a hit as Davie Crocket ¡®Estes would wear a coonskin cap from time to time. He probably looked more like Crocket than Parker ever did.

On Dec 1, 2023, at 7:21?PM, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:

?I think it was on the old list, that we discussed Estes Kefauver, the senator from Tennessee and two time presidential candidate. For those not around in those days, at one time he was a TAG employee by virtue of his being a partner in the Chambliss law firm. I am reading the book Killing the Mob by Bill O¡¯Reilly. In the book it discusses the Kefauver senate hearings on organized crime. According to the book; Senator Kefauver won an early Emmy award because the hearings were televised. The book also maintains that the mob had pictures of the Senator in a compromised position? But I thought that was an interesting bit of trivia. A lawyer at a prestigious firm. Chief legal counsel for TAG, a storied political career and an Emmy. Facts stranger than fiction.

Warren





estes kefauver

 

I think it was on the old list, that we discussed Estes Kefauver, the senator from Tennessee and two time presidential candidate. For those not around in those days, at one time he was a TAG employee by virtue of his being a partner in the Chambliss law firm. I am reading the book Killing the Mob by Bill O¡¯Reilly. In the book it discusses the Kefauver senate hearings on organized crime. According to the book; Senator Kefauver won an early Emmy award because the hearings were televised. The book also maintains that the mob had pictures of the Senator in a compromised position? But I thought that was an interesting bit of trivia. A lawyer at a prestigious firm. Chief legal counsel for TAG, a storied political career and an Emmy. Facts stranger than fiction.

Warren


New Morning Sun book

 

Well I finally had time to sit down and read the captions and text in the TAG section of the book. The mistakes are too many to get into. Mostly assumptions on the part of the author. This really galls me. Because the author spit out so many of these assumptions regarding TAG, I can¡¯t view what he wrote about the other Shortlines as trustworthy. I would still buy the book for the quality of the photos. We have a saying in aviation involving the word assume. The gist of it is that if you assume you end up making the first syllable of the word out of yourself.

Warren


TAG slides

 

There are several TAG slides on eBay at the moment. Rosters by the late Bill Folsom and all shot in Alton Park (South Chattanooga). He shot multiples of the same image so I believe I have most of these. There is one that I believe is by Connif.

Warren


Re: Book review

 

Polaroid was the medium used by my parents to record my childhood. But then they - the prints - have held up. I can still remember the smell that the film gave off as it slid free and self developed. I bet we would be shocked how many slides and prints were shot by railfans down on the old C-Line and on the TAG. They just will never see the light of day because the family of the photographer doesn¡¯t realize what they have.

Warren

On Nov 28, 2023, at 8:55?AM, arnoldeaves <aseaves@...> wrote:

?I certainly wish I had a better camera and foresight when I was a kid. There I was embedded in TAG and CofG and never made a photo until 1970. Ouch! Thanks for the review, Warren.
Arnold Eaves
On Nov 25, 2023, at 9:56?PM, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:

?Today I purchased a copy of Ralcon Wagner¡¯s ¡°Tennessee Central Railway, the First 50 years¡±. It is by Arcadia Publishing for those of you familiar with their format. I haven¡¯t really had time to do more than thumb through it but it appears to be a worthwhile addition to a southeastern railfan¡¯s library. Why a heads up about a non TAG book? Well it is important to remember that C. E. James, intended to connect TAG to his Chattanooga Traction Company and electrify TAG and build an extension from the CTC to a connection with the TC. And continue the TAG to Birmingham.

Warren









Re: Book review

 

I certainly wish I had a better camera and foresight when I was a kid. There I was embedded in TAG and CofG and never made a photo until 1970. Ouch! Thanks for the review, Warren.
Arnold Eaves

On Nov 25, 2023, at 9:56?PM, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:

?Today I purchased a copy of Ralcon Wagner¡¯s ¡°Tennessee Central Railway, the First 50 years¡±. It is by Arcadia Publishing for those of you familiar with their format. I haven¡¯t really had time to do more than thumb through it but it appears to be a worthwhile addition to a southeastern railfan¡¯s library. Why a heads up about a non TAG book? Well it is important to remember that C. E. James, intended to connect TAG to his Chattanooga Traction Company and electrify TAG and build an extension from the CTC to a connection with the TC. And continue the TAG to Birmingham.

Warren





Book review

 

Today I purchased a copy of Ralcon Wagner¡¯s ¡°Tennessee Central Railway, the First 50 years¡±. It is by Arcadia Publishing for those of you familiar with their format. I haven¡¯t really had time to do more than thumb through it but it appears to be a worthwhile addition to a southeastern railfan¡¯s library. Why a heads up about a non TAG book? Well it is important to remember that C. E. James, intended to connect TAG to his Chattanooga Traction Company and electrify TAG and build an extension from the CTC to a connection with the TC. And continue the TAG to Birmingham.

Warren


Morning Sun book finally arrived

 

Well I finally received my Kentucky and Tennessee Shortlines in Color book. Some of the pictures were the standard Alton Park (south Chattanooga) roster/switching shots but there were some good images from odd angles and all were clearly printed and the color fidelity is what we have grown to expect from Morning Sun. A few shots of trains in Georgia and Alabama including one passing over the Yellow creek viaduct. Several employees were visibly which is always interesting to me. I have not had time to sit down and read the thumbnail history but I did find some misinformation in some of the picture captions. I look forward to rereading those and the text tomorrow after Church. I do wish Chattanooga Traction was better covered. There were many interesting pictures from the old Tennessee Railroad. TAG had a shop foreman that retired to Chickamauga that had previously worked for the L&N and the Tennessee RR.

Warren


Re: New Morning Sun book has arrived.

 

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Well again my original effort to purchase this book thriftily has come back to bite me. I ended up ordering it directly from Morning Sun. Hopefully it¡¯ll arrive in a week or so. The hobby shop I ordered from originally just really underwhelmed me. Well I am excitedly waiting and hoping it¡¯s TAG material I have never seen.?

Warren


On Nov 9, 2023, at 8:49 PM, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:

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Well I am familiar with Mr. Ardinger and Mr. Gulash but the other gentleman are new to me. I have a TAG duplicate slide taken by Mr. Gulash and a couple of originals by Mr. Ardinger. I have seen an old picture of Mr. Gulash. He had two cameras mounted together as railfans once did. I am super excited to see these 20 images. I am sorry to hear that about Morning Sun. Their color reproduction was second to none.?


Warren


Re: New Morning Sun book has arrived.

 

Well I am familiar with Mr. Ardinger and Mr. Gulash but the other gentleman are new to me. I have a TAG duplicate slide taken by Mr. Gulash and a couple of originals by Mr. Ardinger. I have seen an old picture of Mr. Gulash. He had two cameras mounted together as railfans once did. I am super excited to see these 20 images. I am sorry to hear that about Morning Sun. Their color reproduction was second to none.?


Warren


Re: New Morning Sun book has arrived.

 

Warren,
Most of the TAG photos are shown as being from the Garreth M. McDonald Collection. Some are from William B. Gwaltney, Kenneth Ardinger, Emery J. Gulash, and Robert F. Wilt. I ordered my book from Morning Sun at the Pre-publication price of $59.95.

The Chattanooga Traction section is small. One page of history and five locomotive photos, two of which are former CTC #3 as Ware Shoals Railroad 1955 and CTC#4 in Southern/CTC paint scheme but actually recently taken on the Knoxville & Holston River Railroad.?

The sad news is that on the Trainorders' website there was a recent post containing an email that an author received from Morning Sun which stated that they were going out of the printing business and that no new books would be published after 2024. There was a possibility that digital books might be available after that but that was not a sure thing and more details would follow.
Charlie


Freight cars part 2

 

?Rereading my previous post, please don¡¯t think I once disrespected copyright. I always gained or already had permission, if I shared a photo.

Secondly, let me say that TAG freight cars roamed all over the country. Far, far away from the southeast. One of my favorite roster pics is a TAG 50 foot boxcar, in San Francisco with Telegraph Hill and Coit Tower in the immediate background.

Back in the old Yahoo group days, we discussed TAG freight car types often. If anyone wants to go back and do it again, I am game.

Warren


TAG Freight cars

 

I can thank Todd Horton for kickstarting my interest in TAG freight cars. We were at the old Atlanta airport train show - many years ago - and I picked up a few TAG freight car pics from Bill Folsom. I showed them to Todd who told me (more like scolded me) that it was high time I started taking TAG freight cars/rolling stock seriously. In other words mature amateur rail-historians don¡¯t neglect rolling stock. Well a thick binder of pics and sleeves of 35mm slides later, I am glad I listened. Because sadly with the passing of Bill Folsom and others like him, it is hard to find TAG freight car pics these days. So many photographic collections are now permanently closed. When I got started Frank Audrey had just announced his maternal was no longer available. I would hate to think what I would be up against if I was starting today instead of the late 90s. Finding some odd models has been tough. I have only one color roster shot of a TAG covered gondola. Finding pics of TAG freight cars repainted into Southern colors is very challenging.

A few years back, someone claiming to be from smoke city model railroad club in Birmingham emailed me asking for TAG freight car pictures because they wanted to do a special run of TAG HO cars. He was just phishing for free pictures. Like an idiot I emailed him a good number. After a while I emailed him asking what car they had decided to go with. He replied he didn¡¯t know what I was talking about. This incident and other bad actors have colored my opinion on openly sharing. If you are truly interested in TAG freight cars you are always welcome to look at what I have. And I can share where I found a pic. I just can¡¯t guarantee the collection is still open.

Warren


Re: New Morning Sun book has arrived.

 

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Well I ordered my copy from an online hobby shop that discounts the suggested price of Morning Sun books. They sent me an email last Friday that they hope to have them in 7 days. So any day now And then at book rate I should have it a week or ten days after they mail it. Moral of the story, if I had paid the extra few bucks to Morning Sun directly, I would have had my copy now. I am often bit by my tendency towards thriftiness.?

I appreciate Morning Son¡¯s all color formula but I sincerely wish they would branch out into books that could also feature B&W. I could never do a history of TAG without B&W and sadly without some pics that have condition issues. Morning Son quality is second to none.?

Getting back to your report, can you tell me who the TAG photos are credited to. I think I have an idea who it may be. I am hoping that the Chattanooga Traction coverage is somewhat thorough. SRHA did a good two parter on CTC in their Ties magazine. They may have back issues available. Ties is really rocking it these days.?


Warren


On Nov 8, 2023, at 10:41 AM, Charles Powell <charlesspowell@...> wrote:

?I got the new Morning Sun book on the shortlines of Kentucky and Tennessee yesterday. It has 20 TAG photos. One photo each of a caboose and a boxcar and the rest are locomotve or locomotive with train shots. I would liked to have seen more TAG freight car photos but it is still more TAG photos than I have seen before. I have not had time to read all the background information to verify accuracy.? I have noticed some errors in information on some of the other railroads coverage.?
Charlie


New Morning Sun book has arrived.

 

I got the new Morning Sun book on the shortlines of Kentucky and Tennessee yesterday. It has 20 TAG photos. One photo each of a caboose and a boxcar and the rest are locomotve or locomotive with train shots. I would liked to have seen more TAG freight car photos but it is still more TAG photos than I have seen before. I have not had time to read all the background information to verify accuracy.? I have noticed some errors in information on some of the other railroads coverage.?
Charlie


Re: Death by inches

 

Sad indeed. Thanks for the reporting. Arnold eaves

On Oct 11, 2023, at 6:23 PM, Warren Stephens <wdstephens@...> wrote:

?We have a cabin at Cloudland Canyon for a few days. It has been a while since I have driven parallel with the old TAG right of way, through the Chattanooga valley. It is shocking how nature has reclaimed the tracks. I had held out hope that some day maybe TVRM would take it over for trips along the base of Lookout Mountain or that an industry would re-occupy the old latex plant footprint. From say 2008 back you could still pick out locations from old TAG pics. There was one spot parallel to the highway where a detoured Southern Pelican passenger train was photographed. This was the late 1960s and due to a derailment over on the AGS. Prior to 2008, the spot still looked identical with the exception of an oval Southern milepost instead of a diamond TAG milepost. It is so thick there now that you can¡¯t see the tracks at all. The Pelican detoured over TAG more than once by the way. A 1950s detour was photographed at nearby Cooper Heights. The track here too is virtually jungle. Sad.

Warren





Re: TAG Rule book and railroad watches

 

Warren,
I don't have any insight on TAG watch policies, however I suspect they might have used J. M. Sanders Jewery in Chattanooga for their inspections as he was the watch inspector for the Southern. His store was actually in Terminal Station.?
Regards,
Charlie Powell