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G'Day, everyone.... Been with the list a short time; don't think I intro'd myself. Live in Brookings, Oregon, USA. After working in US-motif HO since 1957, I'm burned out. Currently beginning disposal of my HO... My new interest: Australian HOn42, or HOn3.5 as they call it Down Under. Will be modelling Queensland Rail's Far North Lines, from the city of Cairns west through the Atherton Tablelands, and out onto the Gulf of Carpentaria savannah grasslands. Since I live in a single-wide mobile home, and despite having the living/dining room at my disposal, it's obvious I'll have to do this in a 'vignette' type of railroad. But, that's okay, too... Cheers, Doug Howard Queensland Rail in North America - and probably the only one in North America doing it! =^)

Hi Peter, I have been in the background for sometime myself here getting the lie of the land so to speak. I would like to add my comments to Evan Batchelor's post. If you have not set yourself up in a scale yet, then look into the larger scales. Small layouts can provide many good opportunities in the larger scales because they provide you with the ability to really see operation, in small spaces, versus just running trains through the scenery in the smaller scales. All depends on what you want to do. 78 x 21 inches is nothing to be sneezed at. If you like to build or model locomotive sheds, then this space is perfect. Plus you can build some goods stock to boot and deliver sand, oil, coal, whatever is your fancy in this space. Build it into something else later on if that is your aim. Or keep it as a stand alone for you to operate when you can. I speak from experience. My largest diorama right now is 24(L) x 14(W) and I use it to photograph and learn scenery techniques. (It took me three years to build and finish because I had no space and less money to put toward it.) Still it is there and I have something to show my models off on. My tuppence worth. I Andrew Martin (Aussie Andrew in Austin) Network Administrator City of Austin Municipal Court Ph: 512-433-4672 email: mailto:iandrew.martin@... > -----Original Message----- > From: small-layout-design@... > [SMTP:small-layout-design@...] > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 1:32 PM > To: small-layout-design@... > Subject: [small-layout-design] Digest Number 63 > > ____________________________________ > > Small Layout Design Discussion Group > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ldsig > > http://www.bolditalicpublications.com/sld > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > There are 5 messages in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. Jus t wondering > From: "Peter Morgan" <say_eh_ooh@...> > 2. Re: Introduction > From: Paul/Celine Kossart <kozys@...> > 3. Re: Jus t wondering > From: chacmool@... > 4. Re: Belated Intro - I think... > From: leftcoaster@... > 5. Re: Jus t wondering > From: "Evan Batchelor" <evan_batchelor@...> > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 15:48:27 -0000 > From: "Peter Morgan" <say_eh_ooh@...> > Subject: Jus t wondering > > Ok this is my first time in here, and as I'm from the UK i find some > of the small layouts in here to be anything but (12ft x 7ft??), so > here's a question I keep looking at this 6" x 6ft off cut leaning > against the wall, and I keep having this strange thought i can build > a layout on it. Anyone got any interesting I ideas, I've got a > vague thought about an N shunting (opps switching) layout, wondered > if anyone can think of something less obvious? > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:28:09 -0500 > From: Paul/Celine Kossart <kozys@...> > Subject: Re: Introduction > > At 09:26 AM 5/26/01, "Steven Zaretsky" <zaretsky@...> wrote: > > >I'm a new member -- I just discovered the group today. > > Welcome, Steve! Lot's of good help here for ya. > > > >No room/permission for a layout at home (the wife keeps finding reasons > >that it would be a bad idea) so I've decided to try another resource. > > > "Permission"?! Sounds like my wife. When she saw the area I would be > using for the layout in the old house (roughly only 16 by 13 feet) she > asked how much room do you need for one of these THINGS anyway. I told > her > it was like money, there never seems to be enough. > > I finally got my space, though. When she fell in love with the house we > are now in. . . basically, I didn't. It is old and the basement has posts > > and brick support walls here and there. . .and naturally all in the wrong > places I wanted something with a large, open area in the basement. I > also > thought it was too pricey for us and not in the best interest of our > approaching "declining years". I told her the compromise was that I would > > go along with us getting her dream house ONLY on the condition that I got > the ENTIRE basement. She wanted the house so bad she readily agreed > (though it seems I have to regularly remind her of our DEAL). You may > want > to file away this "strategy" for future reference. > > Good Luck on the new layout and hope we can be of help! > > > > Paul Kossart - Peru, Illinois, USA > BRHS, TP&WHS, La Salle & Bureau County Model Railroad Club > > ~ Modeling the fictional CB&Q Illiniwek River Branch in HO in the 1960's. > ~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > "Serving Agriculture and Industry in the Illiniwek River Valley since > 1904." > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 18:45:02 -0000 > From: chacmool@... > Subject: Re: Jus t wondering > > --- In small-layout-design@y..., "Peter Morgan" <say_eh_ooh@h...> > wrote: > > Ok this is my first time in here, and as I'm from the UK i find > some > > of the small layouts in here to be anything but (12ft x 7ft??), so > > here's a question I keep looking at this 6" x 6ft off cut leaning > > against the wall, and I keep having this strange thought i can > build > > a layout on it. Anyone got any interesting I ideas, I've got a > > vague thought about an N shunting (opps switching) layout, wondered > > if anyone can think of something less obvious? > > I have a design ex-MR by Nick Palette that might just do you - email > me direct if it might be of use, with a snail addy. I'm in Scotland. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 21:21:03 -0000 > From: leftcoaster@... > Subject: Re: Belated Intro - I think... > > --- In small-layout-design@y..., kwolson@p... wrote: > > > > I'd love to see you post some pictures as you make progress. A > fellow > > modeler brought some video to an operating session that he had shot > > last summer in that area and it was fascinating. Lots of neat > > equipment. > > > Thank you; it will be a while, however. Some of my benchwork is in > place, and will be doubling as an exhibitionable module. Queensland > Rail, and Queensland the state are, indeed, interesting places. I'd > rate them as the "most modellable" of the Australian states. But, > obviously, the modellers elsewhere in Oz would disagree. And, it must > be said, with some justification! > > Doug > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 29 May 2001 09:21:21 +1200 > From: "Evan Batchelor" <evan_batchelor@...> > Subject: Re: Jus t wondering > > Hi Peter, > > Like you, I'm suprised at the idea of 12' by 7' being "small"....I'm > looking at a 7' shelf to put some New Zealand 9mm to the foot on (1.33.4 > on 32mm gauge to represent 3' 6"). > > Can I suggest you think about what it is that initially drew you into the > hobby (Tony Kester wrote that a lot of people model what was happening in > their teens, as that was when they first became active in the hobby) and > then look at what scale recreates the feelings you are trying to convey?? > > I'd also look at that 6' shelf as a start to a later layout, so dont feel > boxed in by a scale this early. I think that even in 6', O gauge is > practical for a shelf diorama if you want to recreate the weight of a > shunting locomotive slowly drawing the slack out of a rack of ballast > hoppers from under a loading facility. And in a layout (shelf?) that > size, you can still superdetail everything in sight. However, if you like > the idea of little trains in big scenery (Like "Chee Tor") then N is > definitely the way to go. > > If you havent already, see if you can track down a copy of Iain Rice's "An > approach to Model Railway Layout Design - Finescale in small spaces". His > smallest layout is 6' 6" by 1' 9" and includes a full station served from > a single road sector plate with a fiddle track at the back with a cassette > for stock loading in 4mm. > > Hope this helps?? > > Ev. :-) > Nelson, New Zealand. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Morgan > To: small-layout-design@... > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 3:48 AM > Subject: [small-layout-design] Jus t wondering > > > Ok this is my first time in here, and as I'm from the UK i find some > of the small layouts in here to be anything but (12ft x 7ft??), so > here's a question I keep looking at this 6" x 6ft off cut leaning > against the wall, and I keep having this strange thought i can build > a layout on it. Anyone got any interesting I ideas, I've got a > vague thought about an N shunting (opps switching) layout, wondered > if anyone can think of something less obvious? > > > Yahoo! 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An interesting combo! I model 3'6" in S using HO and in 1/2" using 45mm (US#1). Do you know of any Quilds or Societys etc that promote our favorite gauge in any scale. TCC:} DaPenguin Portland OR USA some New Zealand 9mm to the foot on (1.33.4 on 32mm gauge to represent 3' 6").

The Industrial Railway Society,has an excellent web site loaded with relevant links to prototypes of all gauges, and those modelling them. Whether one joins or not, <www.irsociety.co.uk> has links within links that deal with virtually every type of specialized and common carrier and their equipment. Remember, Reserve Mining's Railroad has the greatest ton miles per mile of track of any carrier in the world-and is an industrial carrier,so not all of these are dinky railroads. Personally, I think modelling a team track and local freight house is more interesting than modelling a slate quarry,or foundry because of the diversity of traffic and the cars that carried it. Another thing to seriously consider is to model the mid nineteenth century and earlier because at that time railroads carried all of the commerce(absent canals and navigable rivers),and did it in small railcars with small locos. Unfortunately,except for passenger equipment there is little rolling stock and the few locomotives that operate reliably are very costly German models. If you are familiar with rebuilding and creating mechanisms then Bachmann, and a few models from elsewhere that are fine appearing, can be repowered to operate reliably. In that era the rail-canal interface becomes an exciting possibility Good-Luck, Peter Boylan

Ok this is my first time in here, and as I'm from the UK i find some of the small layouts in here to be anything but (12ft x 7ft??), so here's a question I keep looking at this 6" x 6ft off cut leaning against the wall, and I keep having this strange thought i can build a layout on it. Anyone got any interesting I ideas, I've got a vague thought about an N shunting (opps switching) layout, wondered if anyone can think of something less obvious?

Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the small-layout-design group. File : /MYTRACK.jpg Uploaded by : paul.van.hove1@... Description : My trackplan in a very small area You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/small-layout-design/files/MYTRACK.jpg To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, paul.van.hove1@...

Hello I`m John Vogelaar from the Netherlands and i build one minilayout in On30 you can see on my homepage. Regards John Vogelaar http://www.lostcreek.nl/

I just uploaded a layout i've been toying with. 4'x6' HO scale... so yea, it's pretty cramped. I used atlas' RTS freeware to render it, so the pieces should fit together. I'm basically using this layout as a learning experience on both track laying and some rudimentary landscaping and building-making. Obviously, short trains will be a must, but is there something on the layout that isn't practical? I'm expecting the left-hand portion to be somewhat hilly/mountainous, while the right-hand portion will be wooded. Maybe a couple buildings in the top-center (with a pond in the middle???). I am planning to have a tunnel on the lower section just before it goes under the bridge. Is the yard at the bottom workable? if not, is there any way to fix it? Any advice would be most appreciated! Dean

Hi, Being a newbie this my first post. I have uploaded a trackplan in the files area,for the space I have for now. I think that after days of reading books, lurking the web I have created something that may work. The trackplan allows me to run arround trains and do some switching in a small yard and by serving a few customers. What do you all think about it ? Greetings, Paul

Hi gang, My name is marc, I am French, age 32 and practicing North American N- scale since 1993. I have begun to build a small shelf layout depicting a imaginary place on the Camas Prairie RR 2nd sub in the 50's. I found the group by a post on LDSIG yahoo group. If someone would like to see the trackplan, I can post it as a 3dplantit file or JPG on group's files. I have tried to access the URL given by the Dutch new member, but it didn't work. Happy modelrailroading! Marc

Forgot to mention that I am modeling in HO scale. Not that it affects the transverser, but I am trying to model the World War II era on an ex-interurban line.

Well, fate has allowed me the space and resources to build a 16x12 layout. Not what I would consider small but not gargantuan either. I inherited an already built 10x8 layout and when the track and roadbed is torn up it will be easy to extend the L girder benchwork to 16x12. The question is can I stay? Or shall I be thrown to the wolves that build huge layouts on the LDsig list. Perhaps I should start a medium-layout-design list. (Toungue firmly planted in cheek) ----------------------------------------------------- Greg Williams Argyle, NB, Canada http://www.trainweb.org/cprmodeling -----------------------------------------------------

Speaking ( as a probably un-informed new list member), it is possible to use that large space to build several small layouts. They could even be different scales and themes. That would keep one in the good graces of this group wouldn't it? George Gilbert Nashville, TN > From: dan_d_sparks@... > Subject: Re: I'm not building a small layout anymore, can I stay??? >

Greetings all, I am a new member as of this morning. My name is Michael Denny, and I live in Guelph Ontario Canada. I have but recently made the switch to N from HO, and I am preparing to build a small layout. Currently I live in the upper story of a century home, and have minimal space as well as narrow doorways. Therefore, I have willingly restricted myself to build a layout which measures 2'x6'. My goal is to model it after a local branch line called the Guelph Junction RR. This small 29 km line runs only 6 times a month as it services only 3 active industries. I have uploaded a rough preliminary illustration of my proposed plan called Guelph.jpg. To briefly explain, both ends of the Guelph Junction connect to the CPR. I am considering using the "paperclip" configuration as to allow both north and south ends to access a common yard. This yard is hidden from view by an elevated tree line. This layout is not meant to be switching intense, as my first love is in scenery construciton. However, I do not wish to sell myself short by designing a layout which I cannot opperate without some satisfaction. Are there any immediate opinions? What of altering the plan such that there is a continuous loop? Thanks for your time. Michael Denny

Greetings all, I am a new member as of this morning. My name is Michael Denny, and I live in Guelph Ontario Canada. I have but recently made the switch to N from HO, and I am preparing to build a small layout. Currently I live in the upper story of a century home, and have minimal space as well as narrow doorways. Therefore, I have willingly restricted myself to build a layout which measures 2'x6'. My goal is to model it after a local branch line called the Guelph Junction RR. This small 29 km line runs only 6 times a month as it services only 3 active industries. I have uploaded a rough preliminary illustration of my proposed plan called Guelph.jpg. To briefly explain, both ends of the Guelph Junction connect to the CPR. I am considering using the "paperclip" configuration as to allow both north and south ends to access a common yard. This yard is hidden from view by an elevated tree line. This layout is not meant to be switching intense, as my first love is in scenery construciton. However, I do not wish to sell myself short by designing a layout which I cannot opperate without some satisfaction. Are there any immediate opinions? What of altering the plan such that there is a continuous loop? Thanks for your time. Michael Denny

Greetings all, I am a new member as of this morning. My name is Michael Denny, and I live in Guelph Ontario Canada. I have but recently made the switch to N from HO, and I am preparing to build a small layout. Currently I live in the upper story of a century home, and have minimal space as well as narrow doorways. Therefore, I have willingly restricted myself to build a layout which measures 2'x6'. My goal is to model it after a local branch line called the Guelph Junction RR. This small 29 km line runs only 6 times a month as it services only 3 active industries. I have uploaded a rough preliminary illustration of my proposed plan called Guelph.jpg. To briefly explain, both ends of the Guelph Junction connect to the CPR. I am considering using the "paperclip" configuration as to allow both north and south ends to access a common yard. This yard is hidden from view by an elevated tree line. This layout is not meant to be switching intense, as my first love is in scenery construciton. However, I do not wish to sell myself short by designing a layout which I cannot opperate without some satisfaction. Are there any immediate opinions? What of altering the plan such that there is a continuous loop? Thanks for your time. Michael Denny

Greetings all, I am a new member as of this morning. My name is Michael Denny, and I live in Guelph Ontario Canada. I have but recently made the switch to N from HO, and I am preparing to build a small layout. Currently I live in the upper story of a century home, and have minimal space as well as narrow doorways. Therefore, I have willingly restricted myself to build a layout which measures 2'x6'. My goal is to model it after a local branch line called the Guelph Junction RR. This small 29 km line runs only 6 times a month as it services only 3 active industries. I have uploaded a rough preliminary illustration of my proposed plan called Guelph.jpg. To briefly explain, both ends of the Guelph Junction connect to the CPR. I am considering using the "paperclip" configuration as to allow both north and south ends to access a common yard. This yard is hidden from view by an elevated tree line. This layout is not meant to be switching intense, as my first love is in scenery construciton. However, I do not wish to sell myself short by designing a layout which I cannot opperate without some satisfaction. Are there any immediate opinions? What of altering the plan such that there is a continuous loop? Thanks for your time. Michael Denny

Greeting all, I am a new member as of this morning. My name is Michael Denny, and I live in Guelph Ontario Canada. I have but recently made the switch to N from HO, and I am preparing to build a small layout. Currently I live in the upper story of a century home, and have minimal space as well as narrow doorways. Therefore, I have willingly restricted myself to build a layout which measures 2'x6'. My goal is to model it after a local branch line called the Guelph Junction RR. This small 29 km line runs only 6 times a month as it services only 3 active industries. I have uploaded an illustration of my proposed plan called Guelph.jpg. To briefly explain, both ends of the Guelph Junction connect to the CPR. I am considering using the "paperclip" configuration as to allow both north and south ends to access a common yard. This yard is hidden from view by an elevated tree line. This layout is not meant to be switching intense, as my first love is in scenery construction. However, I do not wish to sell myself short by designing a layout which I cannot operate without some satisfaction. Are there any immediate opinions? What of altering the plan such that there is a continuous loop? Thanks for your time. Michael Denny

Greeting all, I am a new member as of this morning. My name is Michael Denny, and I live in Guelph Ontario Canada. I have but recently made the switch to N from HO, and I am preparing to build a small layout. Currently I live in the upper story of a century home, and have minimal space as well as narrow doorways. Therefore, I have willingly restricted myself to build a layout which measures 2'x6'. My goal is to model it after a local branch line called the Guelph Junction RR. This small 29 km line runs only 6 times a month as it services only 3 active industries. I have uploaded an illustration of my proposed plan called Guelph.jpg. To briefly explain, both ends of the Guelph Junction connect to the CPR. I am considering using the "paperclip" configuration as to allow both north and south ends to access a common yard. This yard is hidden from view by an elevated tree line. This layout is not meant to be switching intense, as my first love is in scenery construciton. However, I do not wish to sell myself short by designing a layout which I cannot opperate without some satisfaction. Are there any immediate opinions? What of altering the plan such that there is a continuos loop? Thanks for your time. Michael Denny

Greeting all, I am a new member as of this morning. My name is Michael Denny, and I live in Guelph Ontario Canada. I have but recently made the switch to N from HO, and I am preparing to build a small layout. Currently I live in the upper story of a century home, and have minimal space as well as narrow doorways. Therefore, I have willingly restricted myself to build a layout which measures 2'x6'. My goal is to model it after a local branch line called the Guelph Junction RR. This small 29 km line runs only 6 times a month as it services only 3 active industries. I have uploaded an illustration of my proposed plan called Guelph.jpg. To briefly explain, both ends of the Guelph Junction connect to the CPR. I am considering using the "paperclip" configuration as to allow both north and south ends to access a common yard. This yard is hidden from view by an elevated tree line. This layout is not meant to be switching intense, as my first love is in scenery construciton. However, I do not wish to sell myself short by designing a layout which I cannot opperate without some satisfaction. Are there any immediate opinions? What of altering the plan such that there is a continuos loop? Thanks for your time. Michael Denny