Cliff,
15"-16" curves should allow you to do a curved Gumstump and Snowshoe. If you can fit a 2-3 car runaround track on the 18" board, do so. It will enhance the operation of the layout.
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On 04/06/2019 07:37 PM, Cliff Smith wrote:
You may be right about the Gumstump and Snowshoe. A variation of that just might be made to fit if I keep the curve radii tight since there are no turnouts in the middle where the bends would be located. I'll see what I can come up with. Thank you to everyone and if anyone has a better idea don't hesitate to to chime in.
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Hello Group ? I made a g&s? around a curve? some photos are in drpshops . I am? still working on it.Keith Gutshall
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OK. Made my first attempt to adapt the Gumstump and Snowshoe into my 4x4 L shape. A jpg of the plan is posted in the Photos section of the web site. Some notes: The grid lines are 6 inches apart. All the sidings will take at least one 40 foot car and a switcher. Grade on the hill is 3 to 4 %. Minimum radius is 15 inch. What I don't like is the lack of a runaround. I just couldn't figure out a way to fit one in.
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You can solve this easily with a pair of small engines - one to get behind a car and pull it out from behind the other engine as done on the "Crooked Creek" railroad published in MR. I've been using a pair of engines facing opposite directions and a short connector between 2 yards. A train comes in, the engine goes over to the other yard and it's facing the right direction for the next outbound train. I call this, "the Poor Man's Turntable", so much easier than the wye, turntable or reverse loop which I've also used. This site doesn't allow a pdf attachment (too bad), but if you email me I'll send you the Crooked Creek railroad track plan if you can't find it in MR. msarazin @ comcast.net Also I may start a list for this site of all the small published plans that I have -- been in trains since 1936. Max on Cape Cod
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OK. Made my first attempt to adapt the Gumstump and Snowshoe into my 4x4 L shape. A jpg of the plan is posted in the Photos section of the web site.
Some notes: The grid lines are 6 inches apart. All the sidings will take at least one 40 foot car and a switcher. Grade on the hill is 3 to 4 %. Minimum radius is 15 inch.
What I don't like is the lack of a runaround. I just couldn't figure out a way to fit one in.
Let comments and arrows fly!
Cliff Smith
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I would be interested in them as well if you post them. .
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From: Max <msarazin@...> To: [email protected]; Cliff Smith <ccsmith.3rd@...> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2019 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] The Gumstump and Snowshoe You can solve this easily with a pair of small engines - one to get behind a car and pull it out from behind the other engine as done on the "Crooked Creek" railroad published in MR. I've been using a pair of engines facing opposite directions and a short connector between 2 yards. A train comes in, the engine goes over to the other yard and it's facing the right direction for the next outbound train. I call this, "the Poor Man's Turntable", so much easier than the wye, turntable or reverse loop which I've also used. This site doesn't allow a pdf attachment (too bad), but if you email me I'll send you the Crooked Creek railroad track plan if you can't find it in MR. msarazin @ comcast.net Also I may start a list for this site of all the small published plans that I have -- been in trains since 1936. Max on Cape Cod
On April 12, 2019 at 7:03 PM Cliff Smith <ccsmith.3rd@...> wrote:
OK. Made my first attempt to adapt the Gumstump and Snowshoe into my 4x4 L shape. A jpg of the plan is posted in the Photos section of the web site.
Some notes: The grid lines are 6 inches apart. All the sidings will take at least one 40 foot car and a switcher. Grade on the hill is 3 to 4 %. Minimum radius is 15 inch.
What I don't like is the lack of a runaround. I just couldn't figure out a way to fit one in.
Let comments and arrows fly!
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From: Max <msarazin@...> To: [email protected]; Cliff Smith <ccsmith.3rd@...> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2019 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] The Gumstump and Snowshoe
You can solve this easily with a pair of small engines - one to get behind a car and pull it out from behind the other engine as done on the "Crooked Creek" railroad published in MR. I've been using a pair of engines facing opposite directions and a short connector between 2 yards. A train comes in, the engine goes over to the other yard and it's facing the right direction for the next outbound train. I call this, "the Poor Man's Turntable", so much easier than the wye, turntable or reverse loop which I've also used. This site doesn't allow a pdf attachment (too bad), but if you email me I'll send you the Crooked Creek railroad track plan if you can't find it in MR. msarazin @ comcast.net Also I may start a list for this site of all the small published plans that I have -- been in trains since 1936. Max on Cape Cod
On April 12, 2019 at 7:03 PM Cliff Smith <ccsmith.3rd@...> wrote:
OK. Made my first attempt to adapt the Gumstump and Snowshoe into my 4x4 L shape. A jpg of the plan is posted in the Photos section of the web site. Some notes: The grid lines are 6 inches apart. All the sidings will take at least one 40 foot car and a switcher. Grade on the hill is 3 to 4 %. Minimum radius is 15 inch. What I don't like is the lack of a runaround. I just couldn't figure out a way to fit one in.
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Weird -but whatever you sent to download keeps disappearing. Can you resend?
THX!!!
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From: Max <msarazin@...> To: [email protected]; Cliff Smith <ccsmith.3rd@...> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2019 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] The Gumstump and Snowshoe
You can solve this easily with a pair of small engines - one to get behind a car and pull it out from behind the other engine as done on the "Crooked Creek" railroad published in MR. I've been using a pair of engines facing opposite directions and a short connector between 2 yards. A train comes in, the engine goes over to the other yard and it's facing the right direction for the next outbound train. I call this, "the Poor Man's Turntable", so much easier than the wye, turntable or reverse loop which I've also used. This site doesn't allow a pdf attachment (too bad), but if you email me I'll send you the Crooked Creek railroad track plan if you can't find it in MR. msarazin @ comcast.net Also I may start a list for this site of all the small published plans that I have -- been in trains since 1936. Max on Cape Cod
On April 12, 2019 at 7:03 PM Cliff Smith <ccsmith.3rd@...> wrote:
OK. Made my first attempt to adapt the Gumstump and Snowshoe into my 4x4 L shape. A jpg of the plan is posted in the Photos section of the web site. Some notes: The grid lines are 6 inches apart. All the sidings will take at least one 40 foot car and a switcher. Grade on the hill is 3 to 4 %. Minimum radius is 15 inch. What I don't like is the lack of a runaround. I just couldn't figure out a way to fit one in.
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Crooked Creek track plan. When train pulls into yard, engine on adjacent track pulls train out to free locomotive. What keeps disappearing are those stupid animations that attach themselves to email?- not my attachment.
Cliff Smith & Greg Proctor should have rec'd the track plan ok because they used their personal email -- if you try to receive it thru the site, you're screwed, because they don't allow attachments.? It doesn't get thru to Pete Callamaras or shortliner2001.
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Weird -but whatever you sent to download keeps disappearing. Can you resend?
THX!!!
Pete
From: shortliner2001 via Groups.Io <chacmool@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2019 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] The Gumstump and Snowshoe ?
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Pete
From: Max <msarazin@...> To: [email protected]; Cliff Smith <ccsmith.3rd@...> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2019 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] The Gumstump and Snowshoe
You can solve this easily with a pair of small engines - one to get behind a car and pull it out from behind the other engine as done on the "Crooked Creek" railroad published in MR. I've been using a pair of engines facing opposite directions and a short connector between 2 yards. A train comes in, the engine goes over to the other yard and it's facing the right direction for the next outbound train. I call this, "the Poor Man's Turntable", so much easier than the wye, turntable or reverse loop which I've also used. This site doesn't allow a pdf attachment (too bad), but if you email me I'll send you the Crooked Creek railroad track plan if you can't find it in MR. msarazin @ comcast.net Also I may start a list for this site of all the small published plans that I have -- been in trains since 1936. Max on Cape Cod On April 12, 2019 at 7:03 PM Cliff Smith <ccsmith.3rd@...> wrote: OK. Made my first attempt to adapt the Gumstump and Snowshoe into my 4x4 L shape. A jpg of the plan is posted in the Photos section of the web site. Some notes: The grid lines are 6 inches apart. All the sidings will take at least one 40 foot car and a switcher. Grade on the hill is 3 to 4 %. Minimum radius is 15 inch. What I don't like is the lack of a runaround. I just couldn't figure out a way to fit one in. Let comments and arrows fly! Cliff Smith ? ?
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A pair of locomotives gets a lot easier to use to solve switching problems now that we have DCC.? 1:1 railroads have (or had) tricks like poling, capstans and flying switches with brakemen that can ride a car and control it.? Back when I had my Lionel trains I learned the common practice of disconnecting the whistle in the tender and hooking it up to the tender's rear coupler; so it could be opened with the whistle button anywhere on the layout.? With all the DCC sophistication in current finescale model trains we still can't replicate that capability.? And anybody remember the "Lindsay Ghost",a self propelled HO boxcar? I don't think it would be all that hard to invent a mechanism that would open and close a box car's couplers at either end in response to a DCC signal.? This may be a new frontier in DCC.? Or maybe it's already being done and in my cloistered narrow gauge world it remains invisible to me. Bachmann, got your ears on?? Ed Weldon
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Crooked Creek track plan.
When train pulls into yard, engine on adjacent track pulls train out to free locomotive.
What keeps disappearing are those stupid animations that attach themselves to email?- not my attachment.
Cliff Smith & Greg Proctor should have rec'd the track plan ok because they used their personal email -- if you try to receive it thru the site, you're screwed, because they don't allow attachments.? It doesn't get thru to Pete Callamaras or shortliner2001.
On April 13, 2019 at 11:34 AM "pete callamaras via Groups.Io" <fantummrc1@...> wrote:
Weird -but whatever you sent to download keeps disappearing. Can you resend?
THX!!!
Pete
From: shortliner2001 via Groups.Io <chacmool@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2019 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] The Gumstump and Snowshoe
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Pete
From: Max <msarazin@...> To: [email protected]; Cliff Smith <ccsmith.3rd@...> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2019 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] The Gumstump and Snowshoe
You can solve this easily with a pair of small engines - one to get behind a car and pull it out from behind the other engine as done on the "Crooked Creek" railroad published in MR. I've been using a pair of engines facing opposite directions and a short connector between 2 yards. A train comes in, the engine goes over to the other yard and it's facing the right direction for the next outbound train. I call this, "the Poor Man's Turntable", so much easier than the wye, turntable or reverse loop which I've also used. This site doesn't allow a pdf attachment (too bad), but if you email me I'll send you the Crooked Creek railroad track plan if you can't find it in MR. msarazin @ comcast.net Also I may start a list for this site of all the small published plans that I have -- been in trains since 1936. Max on Cape Cod
On April 12, 2019 at 7:03 PM Cliff Smith <ccsmith.3rd@...> wrote:
OK. Made my first attempt to adapt the Gumstump and Snowshoe into my 4x4 L shape. A jpg of the plan is posted in the Photos section of the web site. Some notes: The grid lines are 6 inches apart. All the sidings will take at least one 40 foot car and a switcher. Grade on the hill is 3 to 4 %. Minimum radius is 15 inch. What I don't like is the lack of a runaround. I just couldn't figure out a way to fit one in.
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Oh yes, I remember the "Lindsay Ghost", probably the only way you could perform a flying switch. Max
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A pair of locomotives gets a lot easier to use to solve switching problems now that we have DCC.? 1:1 railroads have (or had) tricks like poling, capstans and flying switches with brakemen that can ride a car and control it.? Back when I had my Lionel trains I learned the common practice of disconnecting the whistle in the tender and hooking it up to the tender's rear coupler; so it could be opened with the whistle button anywhere on the layout.? With all the DCC sophistication in current finescale model trains we still can't replicate that capability.?
And anybody remember the "Lindsay Ghost",a self propelled HO boxcar?
I don't think it would be all that hard to invent a mechanism that would open and close a box car's couplers at either end in response to a DCC signal.? This may be a new frontier in DCC.? Or maybe it's already being done and in my cloistered narrow gauge world it remains invisible to me.
Bachmann, got your ears on??
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From: Max <msarazin@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2019 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] The Gumstump and Snowshoe Crooked Creek track plan. When train pulls into yard, engine on adjacent track pulls train out to free locomotive. What keeps disappearing are those stupid animations that attach themselves to email?- not my attachment.
Cliff Smith & Greg Proctor should have rec'd the track plan ok because they used their personal email -- if you try to receive it thru the site, you're screwed, because they don't allow attachments.? It doesn't get thru to Pete Callamaras or shortliner2001.
On April 13, 2019 at 11:34 AM "pete callamaras via Groups.Io" <fantummrc1@...> wrote:
Weird -but whatever you sent to download keeps disappearing. Can you resend?
THX!!!
Pete
From: shortliner2001 via Groups.Io <chacmool@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2019 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] The Gumstump and Snowshoe ?
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Pete
From: Max <msarazin@...> To: [email protected]; Cliff Smith <ccsmith.3rd@...> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2019 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] The Gumstump and Snowshoe
You can solve this easily with a pair of small engines - one to get behind a car and pull it out from behind the other engine as done on the "Crooked Creek" railroad published in MR. I've been using a pair of engines facing opposite directions and a short connector between 2 yards. A train comes in, the engine goes over to the other yard and it's facing the right direction for the next outbound train. I call this, "the Poor Man's Turntable", so much easier than the wye, turntable or reverse loop which I've also used. This site doesn't allow a pdf attachment (too bad), but if you email me I'll send you the Crooked Creek railroad track plan if you can't find it in MR. msarazin @ comcast.net Also I may start a list for this site of all the small published plans that I have -- been in trains since 1936. Max on Cape Cod On April 12, 2019 at 7:03 PM Cliff Smith <ccsmith.3rd@...> wrote: OK. Made my first attempt to adapt the Gumstump and Snowshoe into my 4x4 L shape. A jpg of the plan is posted in the Photos section of the web site. Some notes: The grid lines are 6 inches apart. All the sidings will take at least one 40 foot car and a switcher. Grade on the hill is 3 to 4 %. Minimum radius is 15 inch. What I don't like is the lack of a runaround. I just couldn't figure out a way to fit one in. Let comments and arrows fly! Cliff Smith ? ?
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I'd appreciate a copy If you can manage it please.
Also the list of published track plans, If it becomes a reality.
Thanx,
Frank Savery, w-a-y down south in Tasmania,
franksavery@...
Cheers,
Frank Savery,
Owner, Operator, Chief Cook & Bottle Washer,
King Island Tramway, Tasmania
I used to be indecisive, but, now I'm not so sure !
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I would be
interested in them as well if you post them. .
Pete
You can
solve this easily with a pair of small engines - one
to get behind a car and pull it out from behind the
other engine as done on the "Crooked Creek" railroad
published in MR. I've been using a pair of engines
facing opposite directions and a short connector
between 2 yards. A train comes in, the engine goes
over to the other yard and it's facing the right
direction for the next outbound train. I call this,
"the Poor Man's Turntable", so much easier than the
wye, turntable or reverse loop which I've also used.
This site doesn't allow a pdf attachment (too bad),
but if you email me I'll send you the Crooked Creek
railroad track plan if you can't find it in MR.
msarazin @ comcast.net Also I may start a list for
this site of all the small published plans that I
have -- been in trains since 1936.
Max on Cape Cod
On April 12, 2019 at 7:03 PM Cliff
Smith <ccsmith.3rd@...> wrote:
OK. Made my first attempt to adapt the Gumstump
and Snowshoe into my 4x4 L shape. A jpg of the
plan is posted in the Photos section of the web
site.
Some notes: The grid lines are 6 inches apart. All
the sidings will take at least one 40 foot car and
a switcher. Grade on the hill is 3 to 4 %. Minimum
radius is 15 inch.
What I don't like is the lack of a runaround. I
just couldn't figure out a way to fit one in.
Let comments and arrows fly!
Cliff Smith
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Did a search and found this (attached)... Is this the layout?
? Best Regards Phil KD2HTN / WA2069SWL
Long: 34.210293 Lat:-78.057048 FM04xf 30dl ______________________________
On Monday, April 15, 2019, 12:41:48 AM EDT, Frank Savery <franksavery@...> wrote:
I'd appreciate a copy If you can manage it please.
Also the list of published track plans, If it becomes a reality.
Thanx,
Frank Savery, w-a-y down south in Tasmania,
franksavery@...
Cheers,
Frank Savery,
Owner, Operator, Chief Cook & Bottle Washer,
King Island Tramway, Tasmania
I used to be indecisive, but, now I'm not so sure !
Procrastination is definitely my forte
Growing old is compulsory . . . growing up is optional
On 14/04/2019 12:07 am, pete callamaras
via Groups.Io wrote:
I would be
interested in them as well if you post them. .
Pete
You can
solve this easily with a pair of small engines - one
to get behind a car and pull it out from behind the
other engine as done on the "Crooked Creek" railroad
published in MR. I've been using a pair of engines
facing opposite directions and a short connector
between 2 yards. A train comes in, the engine goes
over to the other yard and it's facing the right
direction for the next outbound train. I call this,
"the Poor Man's Turntable", so much easier than the
wye, turntable or reverse loop which I've also used.
This site doesn't allow a pdf attachment (too bad),
but if you email me I'll send you the Crooked Creek
railroad track plan if you can't find it in MR.
msarazin @ comcast.net Also I may start a list for
this site of all the small published plans that I
have -- been in trains since 1936.
Max on Cape Cod
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On April 12, 2019 at 7:03 PM Cliff
Smith <ccsmith.3rd@...> wrote:
OK. Made my first attempt to adapt the Gumstump
and Snowshoe into my 4x4 L shape. A jpg of the
plan is posted in the Photos section of the web
site.
Some notes: The grid lines are 6 inches apart. All
the sidings will take at least one 40 foot car and
a switcher. Grade on the hill is 3 to 4 %. Minimum
radius is 15 inch.
What I don't like is the lack of a runaround. I
just couldn't figure out a way to fit one in.
Let comments and arrows fly!
Cliff Smith
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Yes Phil, the 2nd one labelled, "CrookedCreekOrig", not the one with the fine grid.
Max
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Did a search and found this (attached)... Is this the layout? ? Best Regards Phil KD2HTN / WA2069SWL
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Firstly, that is a nice looking Gumstump and Snowshoe! Thank you for sharing.
Secondly, someone was asking about a runaround track. At the risk of starting a flurry of e-mails, do you think using a Peco curved turnout on the base level curve and straight LH turnout on the longest yard track right after the throat switch could result in a short runaround track? I suspect it could be done but it might require a gusset on the "L" for a little extra width in the corner. It wouldn't pose a reach issue so long as the layout wasn't deeper than 26 inches or so.
I know the history of the layout utilizing two small engines and for many in these days of DCC, it isn't a problem. However, some of us like a runaround.
Cheers,
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The three rail world has taken its equivalents of DCC - proprietary systems by Lionel and MTH - and put the remote operating couplers on most locomotives (I suspect all except possibly those pointed at the small child market). Suspect it could be done for rolling stock easily enough. All it would take is money. Real secret is those oversized couplers operated with an electromagnetic shank.?
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On Sunday, April 14, 2019, 1:50 AM, Ed Weldon <23.weldon@...> wrote: A pair of locomotives gets a lot easier to use to solve switching problems now that we have DCC.? 1:1 railroads have (or had) tricks like poling, capstans and flying switches with brakemen that can ride a car and control it.? Back when I had my Lionel trains I learned the common practice of disconnecting the whistle in the tender and hooking it up to the tender's rear coupler; so it could be opened with the whistle button anywhere on the layout.? With all the DCC sophistication in current finescale model trains we still can't replicate that capability.? And anybody remember the "Lindsay Ghost",a self propelled HO boxcar? I don't think it would be all that hard to invent a mechanism that would open and close a box car's couplers at either end in response to a DCC signal.? This may be a new frontier in DCC.? Or maybe it's already being done and in my cloistered narrow gauge world it remains invisible to me. Bachmann, got your ears on?? Ed Weldon
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Someone, maybe John Armstrong, put a truck driven flywheel in an O scale boxcar. I suppose it could do a flying switch if the uncoupling could be managed. The real game was to put it in a string of cars to discourage jack rabbit starts and stops by unsuspecting engineers. Believe it was John Allen who did something similar in HO with a surplus ball from a pinball machine and a track slooping up at both ends, all concealed in a boxcar.?
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On Sunday, April 14, 2019, 5:59 AM, Max <msarazin@...> wrote: Oh yes, I remember the "Lindsay Ghost", probably the only way you could perform a flying switch. Max
On April 14, 2019 at 2:50 AM Ed Weldon <23.weldon@...> wrote:
A pair of locomotives gets a lot easier to use to solve switching problems now that we have DCC.? 1:1 railroads have (or had) tricks like poling, capstans and flying switches with brakemen that can ride a car and control it.? Back when I had my Lionel trains I learned the common practice of disconnecting the whistle in the tender and hooking it up to the tender's rear coupler; so it could be opened with the whistle button anywhere on the layout.? With all the DCC sophistication in current finescale model trains we still can't replicate that capability.?
And anybody remember the "Lindsay Ghost",a self propelled HO boxcar?
I don't think it would be all that hard to invent a mechanism that would open and close a box car's couplers at either end in response to a DCC signal.? This may be a new frontier in DCC.? Or maybe it's already being done and in my cloistered narrow gauge world it remains invisible to me.
Bachmann, got your ears on??
Ed Weldon
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