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I'm building a small 3 by 5 oval (On30) that will have an interchange track (fiddle track) and two separate industry sidings inside the oval.?I could "imagine" that these two industries are miles apart and run laps between them ?but think it would be more fun if one industry depended on the other for product deliveries. I also wouldn't be opposed to one industry making/processing something and then shipped off the layout for further processing and then delivered back to the second industry for finalization. Any thoughts as to perhaps what two industries within sight of each other would need a rail delivery between them? Or would it make more sense just to go with two stand-alone industries that ship only to/from the interchange track?
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Subject: [small-layout-design] Paired
Industries I'm
building a small 3 by 5 oval (On30) that will have an interchange track (fiddle
track) and two separate industry sidings inside the oval. I could "imagine" that
these two industries are miles apart and run laps between them? but think
it would be more fun if one industry depended on the other for product
deliveries. I also wouldn't be opposed to one industry making/processing
something and then shipped off the layout for further processing and then
delivered back to the second industry for finalization. Any thoughts as to
perhaps what two industries within sight of each other would need a rail
delivery between them? Or would it make more sense just to go with two
stand-alone industries that ship only to/from the interchange track?
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What about a lumber mill on one side.
Small mountain in between for scene blocker.
Road going to mill leaving and going North.
Train tracks going North and South with siding for mill.
Tracks going south crosses over river.
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On other side.
River next to mountain with bridges on both ends of layout.
Small Railroad yard/interchange track next to mountain like it is on
outside of small town.
Lumber yard with siding on edge of layout.
Maybe small concrete plant on siding also.
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Donald
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Max
?? That's how my Weona RR operated.? Didn't need any tokens, dice or paperwork.? Had a town on each side of the oval with a single and a double spur facing each direction.? Each town had a slaughterhouse, fuel dealer and a freight house or team track.? Started with a Flatcar, Gondola, (2) Hoppers, Tank Car, Boxcar, Stockcar & (2) Reefers.?
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: train arrived Rock Harbor with Reefer, Gondola & Hopper to swap with Stockcar, Boxcar & Tank Car.? The other town would have another Reefer, Hopper & Flatcar in this instance.? Train made 1 1/2 loops between towns.? For a longer train I had dedicated Flatcar & Gondola, Boxcar & Flatcar and Gondola & Boxcar permanently coupled.? Sometimes I removed a curve at one end of the oval for point to point operation with one or both runarounds shorter than the train making for an interesting runaround.?
?? Graduating from wind-ups to electric trains in 1939 I got hooked on operation with track plan having 2 reverse loops which was no problem with 3-rail.? To this day I crave 3-rail with no polarity problems plus outside rails insulated from each other so wheels closed the circuit to operate a pair of relays for 3 color signals.? For 81 years I've enjoyed operation, the last 30 with operating crews.? My other 2 railroads are John Allen's 'Timesaver', and Alan Wright's 'Inglenook Sidings', both excellent switching roads.?
?? Max Sarazin, Cape Cod?
On February 6, 2020 at 10:06 PM Donald Kinney <kinney@...> wrote: ? |
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Gents,
I had something on my HO layout (now dismantled) that was similar. I had a rock crusher, that took in limestone by rail and truck, crushed it, and it went to a cement plant at the other side of the layout. Empties went back to the crusher, when the loads were taken out with a magnet at the cement end. Unloaded by giant hands from the sky.... The rock company owned a few used hoppers, from various sources that were lettered for the rock company and painted mineral red. Loaded hoppers with large rock went to the crusher from a staging siding. Just one scheme.. Cheers, Philip Lebow |
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Ron Hunt
Mine to a smelter - wood from a sawmill to a furniture factory - farm
products to a cereal factory - parts from a steel factory (stamping plant) to any number of production companies (cars - farm machinery - aircraft - boats for instance) - coal to a power plant. Plenty of ways to match 2 area's to products you like. Ron On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 8:53 PM Dave Smith via Groups.Io <SUNNYFIELD@...> wrote:
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Max
You would like John Armstrong's, "Loads In, Empties Out", where empty hoppers were pushed into a Mine after loads taken out, (a double ended siding), and return freight from other direction pulled the empties out from the Power Plant, other end of same siding. Empty Hoppers loaded like magic, and loaded Hoppers emptied like magic - no large hands or magnets.
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On February 6, 2020 at 10:58 PM Julie Lebow <lebowhall@...> wrote: |
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the ultimate way is clearly that the unloading siding of the one industry is somehow the loading ding of the other eliminating the physical manipulation of the loads. Loaded cars?pushed into a factory, after removal of the caboose, which is the same track as
the back of the mine. The trains could be broken as they enter the factory and mine and reassembled as they leave. This could provide some shuffling of the trains causing the appearance to change somewhat as well as having the locos and cabooses returning.
Archie
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Max <msarazin@...>
Sent: 07 February 2020 13:00 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] Paired Industries ?
You would like John Armstrong's, "Loads In, Empties Out", where empty hoppers were pushed into a Mine after loads taken out, (a double ended siding), and return freight from other direction pulled the empties out from the Power Plant,
other end of same siding. Empty Hoppers loaded like magic, and loaded Hoppers emptied like magic - no large hands or magnets.
> On February 6, 2020 at 10:58 PM Julie Lebow <lebowhall@...> wrote: > > >? Gents,?? > >???? I had something on my HO layout (now dismantled) that was similar. >???? I had a rock crusher, that took in limestone by rail and truck, crushed it, and it went to a >???? cement plant at the other side of the layout. > >???? Empties went back to the crusher, when the loads were taken out with a magnet at the cement end. Unloaded by giant hands from the sky.... >???? The rock company owned a few used hoppers, from various sources that were lettered for the rock company and painted >???? mineral red. >????? Loaded hoppers with large rock went to the crusher from a staging siding. > >????? Just one scheme.. > >????? Cheers, > >????? Philip Lebow > > > |
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Mine is not quite the seem, but close.? I have an 2' x 4' figure-eight railway in On18.? The railway serves a small distillery and a small brewery.? The rum and beer is shipped down to a small wharf in a port.? Also, unhopped beer is shipped from the brewery to the distillery to make whiskey.? For this, a locomotive takes a flat car with barrels or totes full of beer down to a siding by the port to turn around and take the load up to the distillery.? My trackplan is attached.
My layout is heavily inspired by the Puerto Borracho Railway by Gary Beatty.? This railway is modeled in On30, and centers around an agave plantation and a distillery making tequila.? Search for this in Facebook. |
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This is really a case of beer and whisky to export, unless the still turns the beer into whisky to be drunk on the island!!
I once started on the concept of an island railway in which the ferry would discharge behind the scenes to the quarry.?It was to be a bit more complex, c12ft dia with a number of stations on the round. A bit too
ambitious though an island does allow setting your own rules.
Archie
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of greglorton via Groups.Io <greglorton@...>
Sent: 07 February 2020 19:09 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] Paired Industries ?
Mine is not quite the seem, but close.? I have an 2' x 4' figure-eight railway in On18.? The railway serves a small distillery and a small brewery.? The rum and beer is shipped down to a small wharf in a port.? Also, unhopped beer is shipped from the brewery
to the distillery to make whiskey.? For this, a locomotive takes a flat car with barrels or totes full of beer down to a siding by the port to turn around and take the load up to the distillery.? My trackplan is attached.
My layout is heavily inspired by the Puerto Borracho Railway by Gary Beatty.? This railway is modeled in On30, and centers around an agave plantation and a distillery making tequila.? Search for this in Facebook. |
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Ron Hunt
Very nice small layout.
Ron On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 2:12 PM greglorton via Groups.Io <greglorton@...> wrote:
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I'm doing a mine to smelter scene on a small layout about the size of the original Gorre and Daphetid. The mine will be up on a hillside well above a small mining town and will be connected by an aerial tram to a small smelter/sampling operation specifically to refine high grade copper/silver ore that is worth too much to send the short distance any other way.? The Tram building will contain the inside precision scale equipment, assay lab, crushing, and sorting bins and will be have a building on each side. One will have a reverboratory furnace for sulfide ores and the other will have a small blast furnace for oxide ores from other area mines.? Two sidings will be between the buildings for use as required for inbound ore loads, coke for the blast furnace and coal for the reverboratory furnace and outbound refined ore in heavy mattes or larger low grade loads for resale to larger remote smelting operations. There will be a scale for weighing inbound sacks of high grade ore by mules, wagons or box car (after they are unloaded for weighing and handling).? There will be additional siding, one up the hill at the mine for direct loading of low grade ore and one in town with a small passenger station and a tripod derrick to unload freight.? I may even be able to fit one more siding in one of the layout corners to serve some coke ovens.? This small layout will need relatively small buildings typical of a new town, but still crowding credibility even compared with the real world of 1880.? But to me it's more important to accurately model the economics and way of life than the physical size. |
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On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 05:52 PM, Dave Smith wrote:
I also wouldn't be opposed to one industry making/processing something and then shipped off the layout for further processing and then delivered back to the second industry for finalization:Dave - I'm adding a manufacturing engineer's perspective here.? The two plant model with transport back and forth in between may be common place today; but not the norm before the 1950's and exceedingly rare before modern day truck freight.? Things big enough to require rail freight would be way uncompetitive with two freight charges rather than one.? That was a even so in the old days when manufacturers were far more inclined to vertically integrate their manufacturing processes under one "roof" to save shipping charges and spread salesand admin. costs over a product with more added value. The one exception is if the industry also owns the raliroad. Such industrial railroads are and were commonplace and even hauled passengers, both workers and others like families and excursions.? Or a common carrier could pass the plant and stop at a station there for passengers and freight. The "there" could easily be a company town as was the often the case for large logging and mining companies.? An example might be a company that builds large machinery consisting of large parts that have to be moved by rail to a special building for added operations like testing or painting or additional work and then back to the main complex for final shipping to customers.? Another example might be situations where equipment has to be returned by a customer to the original manufacturer for repairs.? BTW with situations like this you are going to have lots of cranes around especially in past eras. Bottom line here is that you will add a lot of interest to your layout if the industry you model is realistic in its portrayed operations even if you have to radically shrink the models to fit a small layout. |
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Max
On February 6, 2020 at 8:52 PM "Dave Smith wrote:
I'm building a small 3 by 5 oval (On30) that will have an interchange track (fiddle track) and two separate industry sidings inside the oval .....?would it make sense just to go with two stand-alone industries??
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Yes it would, in my 87 years I've watched many way freights on the old New Haven and B&M lines.? Stumbling into a town and seeing a train switching an industry was always a treat.? Had no idea where the pickup or setout came from or where it was going.? The same on my many model railroads over the years.? Train left the yard, did its work and returned to the yard swapping cars with the interchange track for the next run.?
Max Sarazin, Cape Cod?
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