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Hello All --

When I started small-layout-design, I wanted to build a list that
would focus on just that -- the design of small model railroad
layouts.

Unfortunately, I've not found the time to get the list going with
some content. I had planned to build a website to support this list
that would inspire some in-depth contributions from other list
members -- I was thinking of a listing of magazine articles dealing
with small layout, module and diorama design and construction, along
with some track plans that I've come up with or modified from
previously published plans. I was hoping that this sort of thing
would inspire list members to document their work and also post
articles and photos to the site. But, sadly, I've not had the time
do to this.

Also, there have been developments on other lists that have lessened
what I saw as the immediate need for this list: LDSIG opened itself
to non-SIG members, and MRyDesign has started to develop in a
promising way.

If you're not already a member of MRyDesign, please check it out at --



MRyDesign is working on adjusting its focus and I think the
dicussions about the list's vision and scope look promising. So,
take a look if you haven't already.

I'm going to keep small-layout-design around as I kinda like the
name! Also, as my time permits and should the other layout design
lists wander off into topics that no longer interest me, I'll work to
get the list going.

If you have material that you'd like to submit and have posted on the
SLD website, let me know -- maybe we can jump-start the list.

In the meantime -- stay tuned, as they say.

Thanks --

Jon Piasecki
jonp@...
Moderator, small-layout-design

I like the name too, and I think it has a place. I haven't had time
yet to upload anything yet, but I've have designed and built several
small layouts, and for us apartment dwellers, small layouts is our
only option. I will work on some things to post and/or upload.
Jack Seay

jonp@... said at ?[small-layout-design] Status
of small-layout-design?.
[Jan/05/2001Fri 09:33]

-Hello All --
-
-When I started small-layout-design, I wanted to build a list that
-would focus on just that -- the design of small model railroad
-layouts.
-
-Unfortunately, I've not found the time to get the list going with
-some content. I had planned to build a website to support this list
-that would inspire some in-depth contributions from other list
-members -- I was thinking of a listing of magazine articles dealing
-with small layout, module and diorama design and construction, along
-with some track plans that I've come up with or modified from
-previously published plans. I was hoping that this sort of thing
-would inspire list members to document their work and also post
-articles and photos to the site. But, sadly, I've not had the time
-do to this.
-
-Also, there have been developments on other lists that have lessened
-what I saw as the immediate need for this list: LDSIG opened itself
-to non-SIG members, and MRyDesign has started to develop in a
-promising way.
-
-If you're not already a member of MRyDesign, please check it out at -
--
-
-
-
-MRyDesign is working on adjusting its focus and I think the
-dicussions about the list's vision and scope look promising. So,
-take a look if you haven't already.
-
-I'm going to keep small-layout-design around as I kinda like the
-name! Also, as my time permits and should the other layout design
-lists wander off into topics that no longer interest me, I'll work
-to
-get the list going.
-
-If you have material that you'd like to submit and have posted on
-the
-SLD website, let me know -- maybe we can jump-start the list.
-
-In the meantime -- stay tuned, as they say.
-
-Thanks --
-
-Jon Piasecki
-jonp@...
-Moderator, small-layout-design
-
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Hi everyone,
I really like the concept of this list.
As an apartment dweller myself I agree completely with Jack's
comment,for the most part, that small layouts are our only option.
Of course, one could always participate in a larger club layout
if the time and inclination were there, but that isn't the point.
The point is this: Small layouts are excellent,and by no means should
be seen as a default to "real layouts", which often seems to be the
prevalent view on the various lists. Unfortunately, most folks aren't
interested in chatting about the construction and operation of a
"small layout". They want to talk about the dream layout that they'll
build some day with Class 1 operations to suit a gizillion operators.
And if, by some stroke of fate, these pundits actually get off their
duff and build something,IMO, their chances of realizing their dream
before money, time or frustration does them in is remote.
Enter the small layout, where less really is more and a longer length
of run does not equate to superior modelling. Anyone can build a
small
layout with minimal time,cost or skills. If you like it;great, if
not,
learn and move on. It's small enough to scrap without agonizing over
it. You get better each time and you get to model what strikes your
current fancy. No second mortgages to convert scales/eras!
Jon states that:
"MRyDesign is working on adjusting its focus and I think the
dicussions about the list's vision and scope look promising. So,
take a look if you haven't already."
This is true. It certainly seems more focussed than LDSIG. However,
I couldn't help but notice that the reply on a recent request for
suggestions on a "small" 6x10 layout (I should be so lucky) started
with ideas on how to enlarge the available size first! Old habits die
hard I guess. I may be mistaken, but I haven't seen any layouts
discussed on MRyDesign that were under 30 square feet.
Ok, I'm stepping off the soapbox :>).
Jon, let's keep the list going. I'm more than ready to talk about any
thing related to small layouts. Here are some topics I'd like to talk
about:
-Clever space savings designs. Does anyone use sector
plates/traversers/cassettes. How about 3 way turnouts?
- What sort of prototypes lend themselves to small layout operations.
Has anyone applied these operations to a free lance theme?
-Has anyone designed their layout for exhibitions? How did it go?
What design and materials were used? What would you do differently?
-What makes a "great" small layout?
-Tony K put out a challenge for a layout designed as a beginner's
first layout that offers/promotes realistic operation. Size is 4x8.
Does anyone have any thoughts on a design?
There's lots to talk about....let's start.
Jeff

Jon Piasecki <jonp@...> wrote:

When I started small-layout-design, I wanted to build a list that
would focus on just that -- the design of small model railroad
layouts.

<snip>

I'm going to keep small-layout-design around as I kinda like the
name! Also, as my time permits and should the other layout design
lists wander off into topics that no longer interest me, I'll work to
get the list going.

Keep the list going, Jon. I think it definitely has a distinctive, stand alone niche.


Paul Kossart - Peru, Illinois, USA .
NMRA, BRHS, La Salle & Bureau County Model Railroad Club
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Modeling the CB&Q & Illiniwek River Branch in HO ~ Circa late 1960's.
"Serving Agriculture and Industry in the Illiniwek River Valley since 1904."
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"Jeffrey Hatcher" <thehatchers@...> wrote:

As an apartment dweller myself I agree completely with Jack's
comment,for the most part, that small layouts are our only option.

What Jeff says is true of course. But what came to my mind is the small layout as maybe the only option for people with various forms of disabilities or mobility limitations as well.

The point is this: Small layouts are excellent,and by no means should
be seen as a default to "real layouts", which often seems to be the
prevalent view on the various lists.

<snip>

Enter the small layout, where less really is more and a longer length
of run does not equate to superior modelling.

You know, this got me thinking. I have toyed with the idea of making a smaller, island type layout in the basement instead of trying to fill every space with the so called, every square inch filling dream layout. Apparently I too have been conditioned to think that more is more as the first thing that comes to mind is now what do I have to give up, what will I be losing if I pursue the smaller pike (now there's a word you don't see everyday). One focus of this list should be to promote the idea that the smaller layout can be a _complete_ layout in itself and not just a compromise or only viable as a beginner's layout (sorry Mr. K.). OTOH, I would hate to see this list become a forum for bashing large, basement filling layouts. A small layout can and should be a viable , complete alternative to that. There is a real place for both configurations and all should keep that in mind.



Paul Kossart - Peru, Illinois, USA .
NMRA, BRHS, La Salle & Bureau County Model Railroad Club
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Modeling the CB&Q & Illiniwek River Branch in HO ~ Circa late 1960's.
"Serving Agriculture and Industry in the Illiniwek River Valley since 1904."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~