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Re: Jim and Terri Hauff
John A. SOULE'
Jim,
I'm not sure how much height you have to work with, but a multi layer layout could work nicely. ( I sure wish I could have that kind of space) I rent a townhouse so I have built my n-scale layout in modular form. I worked from the NTRAK guidelines for heights & size- but I'm laying tracks where they want them (not very realist to me) ---> Anyways I've learned that layers work well in tight spaces, no matter what the scale... Although it sounds like you need to poke a hole in the wall and elevate the train so it travels around the house close to the ceilings. -John Soule Hampton, VA coke4us@... Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:29:42 -0000 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at |
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Re: Java in a closet
Mike
Not wanting to take up lots of space in the files area (it's 4 pages), or upset the "powers that be" at Railway Modeller, I've emailed it direct to you. If it doesn't arrive pleases confirm your off-group email address. Anyone else needing a copy please do likewise. Slainte Jack (shortliner) |
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Re: Java in a closet
Shortliner,
I, for one, would be very interested in seeing the article. I'm sure others in the group would find great ideas there, also. I was reared in Hawaii- lots of ng sugar haulers, even a standard guage line on the Big Island until the tsunami of April, 1946. Have mulled over a layout based on a timeline extension (n-scale) for years...hmmm. Perhaps adding the article to the groups file? Mahalo, Mike in Denver -- chacmool@... wrote: Whilst looking for something else (as usual) - I __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. |
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Re: Java in a closet
Whilst looking for something else (as usual) - I came across an
article from a very old Railway Modeller about a coffee table size layout in TT on N scale chassis, vaguely Welsh NG outline, but probably adaptable. If it's any use I'll scan it and email it direct. Let me know if you want it Shortliner |
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Re: Java in a closet
--- In small-layout-design@y..., Jeff & Amanda Hatcher
<thehatchers@t...> wrote: modelling a sugar plantation railway! I've been looking through the internetfor years forthis site: www.ZelmerOz.com/canesig which has the only photo I've seen of asugar cane layout. Your idea of the TTz sounds like it has possibilities.I've made too manyin taking partexhibition layoutgood (small) plantation layout.our big show in November.warehouse, lots of photos and a space infolks at this stage.must be portable), do I:hinges to create a larger layout 22"x88"44"x44" I think each size has it's pros and cons.it in standard 00 gauge (like the idea in canesig)half ofthe space of 009. I'm planning to develop this scale for my model anda Javanese Sugar plantation, which needs 0-10-0 and 0-8-0 locos, Locosquite conveniently, Marklin make Z scale models of Large german prototypes)making chassis readily available. displayI could start a group. Jeff/Alan(0-4-4-0 Mallet) I live in Australia which still has cane railways on the east coast in Queensland. A quick search of www.altavista.com.au using the search string "cane railway" returned 30 sites, I did not check them all out but there is a lot of information there. I also recall that Continental Modeller did an article on the cane railways in Queensland a few years ago, try contacting them for a backcopy, it was a good article containing line drawings of steam and diesel locos, rolling stock, photos and track diagrams. If you have no luck with them, give me am E-mail, I'm sure that I still have the magazine somewhere in my "dungeon" (don't like to throw them away). Regards, Les Hardy |
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Re: new guy
--- In small-layout-design@y..., "Jim and Terri Hauff" <JimH@t...>
wrote: Hi everybody!a unique situation: I have an 11' 7" X 20'4" for use for my model railroad. Not a "small" size to most model railroaders. HOWEVER, I model in 1:20.3 (F scale) and this puts me directly into the small layout mode. 3/8" X 20-1/2" to work with. That includes the necessary aisleways, a door, and workbench space. You see my problem. greatly appreciated. My interest is in logging and that helps. I'll share things with the group as I figure this out and will lurk about the group for a while. Jim, I'm new to this group too, living in a small two bedroom flat (appartment) I know what you mean about the space. However there is a article I recalled from Model Railroad Planning 1998 entitled "Soda Creek & South Park Revisited" by Tony Koester. Basically it is an update of an aticle published by Malcom Furlow in the October 1986 edition of Model Railroader of a Gn3 layout for a 10x12 room, the plan includes a continuous run, terminal, wye, branch and hidden staging. I think it could easily be modified for logging, terminal = sawmill, branch = log camp, there's even a spur for an industry. If you cannot locate a copy easily I can scan and forward to you if you're interested (provided no one objects to the copyright!) Regards, Les Hardy |
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Re: Lost in America
Peter Barrett
Alan Jones wrote:
Typically a small independant railroad, as opposed to a 'class 1' main railroad, or a branchline of a class 1 railroad. Early shortlines connected resource deposits or small outlying towns to larger railroads. More recently, shortlines have been formed from abandoned or cast off branch lines from mergers. 2. MikadoA steam engine of 2-8-2 wheel arrangement. Hope this helps! Peter |
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Re: new guy
Hi Jim,
Your comparing your 11'7"x20'4" space in scale F with the equivalent 17-3/8"x20-1/2" in Nn3. This is all mathematically correct, but from the eye of the viewer it is not. When you build a room full in a large scale like F or II (1:22.5), you're really engulfed in the scenery. You're standing in the middle of it, assuming a along-the- wall layout. You cannot get a complete overview of the complete layout. With the N (1:160) equivalent you can see all of the layout in one glance. The viewer senses the overall proportions much better. This means for you as a large scale modeller that you have more possibilities. You can use smaller radii and shorter tracks as you could do in Nn3. With large scale models it just doesn't look that ridiculous. A 2' curve might look spacious, but it's 3" N-scale equivalent looks bizarre. It's all in the eye of the beholder. Take advantage of this psychological effect when planning. Best regards, Reinoud Kaasschieter |
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Re: new guy
Jim and Terri Hauff
Hi Peter - thanks for the response. I'm running one of the Bachmann Shays as my primary motive power. It's dimensions are 5"w X 22"l - minimum radius will likely be about 30". My (scratchbuilt) log cars are 12" each (20' scale length- based on Michigan-Cal cars). I'm currently experimenting with a single main that runs around the perimeter of the room and ends in a second shelf over the lower layout table. The log loading side would be on that upper shelf. This would allow me about 70' (give or take) of mainline - about 1/4 mile in Fn3. At the low end would be some kind of a transfer site to standard gauge cars, a simple shop, and loco servicing facilities. The std gauge would run offline and be the interchange.
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Last night I found a small diagram drawing of Ely-Thomas' rather simple operation in West Virginia which would be well-suited to this design. I'd have to bridge the doorway, but a 32" bridge in large scale is under 60' in length. So if any of smaller scale guys think you have it bad, try designing an Nn3 logging layout to fit inside a 17' X 20" box, with proportioned aisle room, and room for a work bench. It'll make your head swim and give you a new appreciation for the work "compromise". However, I greatly appreciate all input or references or anything else I can get. I'd like to get as much logging operation into this thing as I can. Thanks very much! Jim ----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Barrett To: small-layout-design@... Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] new guy Jim and Terri Hauff wrote: > > Hi everybody! > > I'm new to the group, but this is an ideal topic for me. I am in a unique situation: I have an 11' 7" X 20'4" for use for my model railroad. Not a "small" size to most model railroaders. HOWEVER, I model in 1:20.3 (F scale) and this puts me directly into the small layout mode. Hey Jim. Is this the *entire* space, or is there room for a narrow staging shelf or a drop leaf along another wall? Do you have a sketch of the space? If my math is correct, this equates to about 2'x4.5' in HOn3. Wow. That's not even room to turn around in. Out of curiousity, what are the pertinant dimensions in F? Engine and car length, parallel track clearance, useable radii? > So, any suggestions (other than obvious "change scales") would be greatly appreciated. My interest is in logging and that helps. I'll share things with the group as I figure this out and will lurk about the group for a while. An idea that pops into my head is a mini terminal next to a sawmill. Have a turntable with two lead tracks that join in a wye for a runaround, and then a spur or two to the sawmill or to store cars. If you can have a drop leaf for staging, you can feed the terminal trains from there. Maybe skip the sawmill and have a car repair shop? Man. I'd kill for a 11x20' space. :) Peter ____________________________________ Small Layout Design Discussion Group Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: new guy
Peter Barrett
Jim and Terri Hauff wrote:
Hey Jim. Is this the *entire* space, or is there room for a narrow staging shelf or a drop leaf along another wall? Do you have a sketch of the space? If my math is correct, this equates to about 2'x4.5' in HOn3. Wow. That's not even room to turn around in. Out of curiousity, what are the pertinant dimensions in F? Engine and car length, parallel track clearance, useable radii? So, any suggestions (other than obvious "change scales") would be greatly appreciated. My interest is in logging and that helps. I'll share things with the group as I figure this out and will lurk about the group for a while.An idea that pops into my head is a mini terminal next to a sawmill. Have a turntable with two lead tracks that join in a wye for a runaround, and then a spur or two to the sawmill or to store cars. If you can have a drop leaf for staging, you can feed the terminal trains from there. Maybe skip the sawmill and have a car repair shop? Man. I'd kill for a 11x20' space. :) Peter |
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new guy
Jim and Terri Hauff
Hi everybody!
I'm new to the group, but this is an ideal topic for me. I am in a unique situation: I have an 11' 7" X 20'4" for use for my model railroad. Not a "small" size to most model railroaders. HOWEVER, I model in 1:20.3 (F scale) and this puts me directly into the small layout mode. To equate it, if I was modeling in Nn3 I would have a space 17-3/8" X 20-1/2" to work with. That includes the necessary aisleways, a door, and workbench space. You see my problem. So, any suggestions (other than obvious "change scales") would be greatly appreciated. My interest is in logging and that helps. I'll share things with the group as I figure this out and will lurk about the group for a while. Thanks in advance for any help. Jim Hauff |
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Re: Donovans GSW plan
Donovan Jr.
Thanks for the tips, hows the article?
DF --- chacmool@... wrote: Hi Donovan - now we're cookin'! But I'd make thje __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger |
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Donovans GSW plan
Hi Donovan - now we're cookin'! But I'd make thje right-hand road
crossing a bridge, just for variety. It might also be worth tahing one of the two right-hand sidings across the potential addition with a crosssing into a "gated" yard when you build it. It needn't go anywhere but adds to scenic interest. Jack (shortliner) |
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