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Re: Wrapped Staging (was Re: MRP Bedroom layout)
Paul/Celine Kossart
Hi Jon,
I wonder if you could try placing one of those clear, plastic mats on the carpet to roll the cart on, at least under the area where the cart will connect to the layout. They are sold in office supply stores for putting your rolling computer chair on. It protects the carpet and gives the chair a smooth, easy surface to roll on. I am thinking maybe without the plastic mat the cart will sink into the carpet and you will have a hard time getting the track on the staging cart to line up, heightwise, with the track on the layout. Just one idea.... Paul K. At 01:42 PM 3/23/01, jonp@... wrote: Has anyone tried using a staging cart on a carpeted floor? Paul Kossart - Peru, Illinois, USA BRHS, La Salle & Bureau County Model Railroad Club Proto-Freelancing The CB&Q Illiniwek River Branch in HO in the 1960's... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Serving Agriculture and Industry in the Illiniwek River Valley since 1904." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Wrapped Staging (was Re: MRP Bedroom layout)
Hello --
Thanks for the suggestion. I already have two of those things in the room (it's our office) so one or two more shouldn't be a problem. I knew I should have gone for the hardwood flooring when we bought the house! Thanks -- Jon --- In small-layout-design@y..., Paul/Celine Kossart <kozys@t...> wrote: Hi Jon,on the carpet to roll the cart on, at least under the area where the cartwill connect to the layout. They are sold in office supply stores forputting your rolling computer chair on. It protects the carpet and givesthe chair a smooth, easy surface to roll on. I am thinking maybe without theplastic mat the cart will sink into the carpet and you will have a hardtime getting the track on the staging cart to line up, heightwise, withthe track on the layout.soft 1960's...surface. (I've been told that lifting up the carpet is not an ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~since 1904." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Pointless small layout (almost)
Hi Folks,
Just for fun I thought I would see what I could do with an 18" x36" peice of hollow core door and some N scale track. I like yards and switching industries, so this was my challenge: 1) A few long sidings, say 18" to 24" where more than one industry or loading bay could be located. This would allow for fun/headaches when spotting certain cars. 2) Perhaps 3-5 industries to be served. This should include a team track for rolling stock variety. 3) Hidden staging capable on holding/loading at least 4-6 cars or so. 4) Perhaps one trailing point with siding to complicate matters. (of course, that would take it out of the "pointless " category!) Here's what I'm thinking: _______________________________________ |========================1 | |========================2 l=====l | |-------->backdrop<---------|l=====l |< 3 road traverser | indust 1 indust 2 #|l=====l | |========================3 #| == | |team track =============4 #| == |< engine escape(run around) |========================5 #| == | | crew \\ <point #-----------|< indust 4 against backdrop | hut/mow =========6 #========== | |__________________________#___________| ^ road overpass (view block) Ok, here's how it might work: -Start with 4-5 (depending on length) cars on track 1&2 (hidden) -Loco on traverser picks up cars from track 1 and delivers them one at a time to various industries/spots. -For siding 6, loco takes car off of track 1. Loco moves onto escape track. The traverser is moved up/down one. Loco moves onto traverser and runs light into scene. Move traverser into position with car lined up. Loco moves back and picks up car.Traverser moves to track 5. Loco pulls forward,takes the point and spots car on track 6. Voila! -Now you can add additional cars from track 2 if you're up to the challenge, or take the cars back off to track 1 first. I think it could get interesting!! What inspired me was a homemade video on Montana Rail Link where various cuts dissappeared and re-emerged from under an overpass as the consist was put together. I figured the additional cars and run around were off screen (literally) somewhere on the other side of that overpass. Why not add a couple of industries (a la David Barrow)and operate it as it would be seen from the videographer's point of view? I've fiddled with it on a 50% reduced plan on paper, and I think it should work. Has anyone constructed/operated a similar plan? I'm thinking of naming it "Stubby,Montana" for obvious reasons :>) Cheers, Jeff Hatcher |
Re: Pointless small layout (almost)
Hello Jeff --
An interesting idea -- let us know if you actually build it. Like your 2-scene layout that you proposed in an earlier post and that we sketched up at -- -- it seems to me that the "Stubby, Montana" sort of layout would be ideal for historical societies and such. A local scene or a significant scene from a prototype could be modelled and then easily transported to shows. I've not seen many historical groups' displays, but those I have seen tend to be static -- usually, they have displays of photos and a few relics from the railway. If there is any sort of "layout" present, it tends to be a static diorama. Your approach with a fiddle track that simulates the in-and-out-of- view perspective of a particular viewing location could be a good way to display a scene that's not any larger than a diorama but that also incorporates some operation and action. Thanks -- Jon jonp@... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit the Toronto Hamilton & Buffalo Railway Historical Society Website at - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --- In small-layout-design@y..., "Jeff Hatcher" <thehatchers@t...> wrote: so. 4) Perhaps one trailing point with siding to complicate matters.around) |========================5 #| == |backdrop | hut/mow =========6 #========== |escape track. The traverser is moved up/down one. Loco moves ontotraverser and runs light into scene. Move traverser into position with carLoco pulls forward,takes the point and spots car on track 6. Voila!view?
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Room Prep for a Small Layout
Hello All --
This question is for people who have built layouts in bedrooms and home offices or any sort of room that had to remain available for activities other than the layout: What sort of room preparation, if any, did you do to the room before building the layout? Has anyone installed any extra lighting or power outlets in the bedroom or office or whatever before building their layout? If you did put in such improvements, did you make them permanent (inside the wall) or temporary (with stick-on surface wiring channels or whatever)? Has anyone coved the corners of a small room for their layout, even though the room also had to serve as a "conventional" room for other uses? I'm just trying to get an idea for what sort of infrastructure changes people are willing to make for small or temporary or LTLT (less-than-lifetime) layouts. Thanks -- Jon Piasecki - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit the Toronto Hamilton & Buffalo Railway Historical Society Website at - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |
Re: Room Prep for a Small Layout
Kenneth Sipel
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My situation as a renter is definitely different from homeowners. The only semi permanent thing I installed was metal shelf brackets, no lights or coving. Ken jonp@... wrote: Hello All -- |
Another Very Small Layout
Now and then I've been sent on 3 to 6 month assignments in other
cities, and I've wondered what you could do with a layout in a hotel room. Here is what I came up with, based on looking at some Continental Modeller plans (mentioned in a post above) and some equivalent discussion on the www.worldrailfans.org discussion list. First, I measured the drawers in all the high-boys, bureaus, etc. in the house and found that they all seem to have a pretty much standard 27 inch inside clearance. I am assuming that if you have a layout in a hotel, the maids aren't going to have the remotest idea of what to do with it, so you want to hide it in a drawer during the day. I've subsequently measured the drawers available in hotel bureaus or equivalent, and again, in most cases there is a 27 inch clearance. Too bad you can't specify this in your reservations with the travel agency. I got a scrap piece of 3/4 inch plywood from the lumberyard cut to a dimension of 27 inches by (I think) 8 inches. You pretty much only have N scale as an option here. I also pretty much followed the "Rigby south yard" plan in MR; had to eliminate one track. I used Kato Unitrack, weathered and rails painted, to minimize wiring. I was planning to use just a 9 volt battery and a DPDT switch for operation, but I think even N scale locos may drain the battery pretty fast. I modified a freeware computer program to provide car routing. With no runaround, you need two locos to run it, the same as the Rigby South Yard layout. I got to the point of test-running and operating it, but never got as far as adding a 1/8 inch Masonite partial backdrop, and haven't taken it with me on a business trip yet, though maybe I need to reconsider this! This will probably work best if you get to drive to the city where you're assigned, rather than fly. For flying you would need to have a way to check the container, since you are likely to have REAL problems with security taking it as carryon. |
Small Layout Ideas
For those who have never heard of it, there is a UK magazine called
Model Trains International, which specialises in small layouts, from anywhere in the world. The current issue has an article on Yugoslavian Forestry railways, an S gauge "shelf" set in Maine, a small line set in a Kent coalfield, etc. My connection is that I do some of the trackplans and artwork for the publisher Chris Ellis. It is a subscription only magazine - If you are interested, please email me, for details |
Re: Another Very Small Layout
I don't appear to have that trackplan - any cahance of a copy?
--- In small-layout-design@y..., j.bruce@g... wrote: Now and then I've been sent on 3 to 6 month assignments in otherhotel room. Here is what I came up with, based on looking at somein the house and found that they all seem to have a pretty muchstandard 27 inch inside clearance. I am assuming that if you have a layoutin a hotel, the maids aren't going to have the remotest idea of whatto do with it, so you want to hide it in a drawer during the day.I've subsequently measured the drawers available in hotel bureaus ora dimension of 27 inches by (I think) 8 inches. You pretty much onlyhave a way to check the container, since you are likely to have REAL |
Charlie Comstock does nice work!
Jonathan Piasecki
Hello All --
Not sure if this has been posted on this list before or not. Check out -- -- for a nicely scenicked John Allen Timesaver switching layout. Thanks -- Jon Piasecki jonp@... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit the Toronto Hamilton & Buffalo Railway Historical Society Website at - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |
TP&W HS Is Born Again
Paul/Celine Kossart
Hi all,
Please excuse the cross-list posting on this and the possible encroachment into the dreaded "off-topic zone" but I know there are many who would be interested in the following news: Apparently the TP&W Historical Society has risen from the ashes. Last week in the mail I received the Society's newsletter, The Prarie Marksman, along with a color photograph of two of the road's GP-20's #'s2016 & 2052 taken in November of 1999 at the Hoosier Lift Intermodal Facility near Remington, IN. Jerry Reinmann is heading up the group and Mark Lagomarcino is the newsletter editor. Following are some excerpts from Jerry's editorial in the Marksman. [used with permission]: "As you know the TP&W RR HS has had very little activity in the last few years...Since Rail America bought the property [June, 1999]...I have talked to the Rail America vice president in charge of the TP&W and the superintendent...We are now permitted to enter the property if we stay in the parking area. For now do not cross any tracks into the operating area.... ...most important is the Society news. On April 22, a group met and a reorganization committee was formed. All officers and board members have been asked to continue until the next regular meeting. Many members have paid annual dues and in effect, they have gotten nothing in return and this will be solved by carrying on until caught up.... ...Persons wishing to join the Society for the year 2000 will pay dues equal to the amount of newsletters they receive. If they receive one newsletter, they pay one fourth of the annual dues amount, two newsletters would be one half and so forth... ...We are ready to roll again." The TP&W HS now has a Home Page at: and can be reached via email at: tpwrrhs@... Editor Mark Lagomarcino states, "Let us know what your email address is and we will keep you up to date on society news between newsletters. We have a strict privacy policy, your email address will not be given out. You may contact us on matters of Society business or write to see if we are really paying attention! Just write." The Society's snail mail (fmail!) address is: 615 Bullock Street Eureka, IL and the phone contact given is: 309-467-3372. I'm sure many of us are glad to be reading the above and wish the Society the best as they get rolling again. Call, email, or fmail and offer your encouragement, support, and appreciation. I have. Paul Kossart - Peru, Illinois, USA BRHS, TP&WHS, La Salle & Bureau County Model Railroad Club Proto-Freelancing The CB&Q Illiniwek River Branch in HO in the 1960's... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Serving Agriculture and Industry in the Illiniwek River Valley since 1904." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Re: Nelson Yard - Yard Ideas
Hi guys,
Since I posted the message below, there have been a few changes. I have purchased a townhouse with a room in the basement approx. 18x11.5 plus 3x8 with room in an adjacent room for hidden staging. This will likely change the whole concept as there is the possibility of two levels and some mainline running. I will work on the design while I redo the room from wood panelling to drywall with proper lighting, etc. The group has been pretty quiet lately, hasn't it? Brian in Prince George BC Modelling CPR in Nelson in 1963 --- In small-layout-design@y..., b-freemantle@h... wrote: Hi guys,slightly larger layout space in a year or less, so things likely won't be afreight house and fuel dealers near the west end of the yard. The dieselthe room |
Re: Nelson Yard - Yard Ideas
Jonathan Piasecki
Hello Brian --
Congratulations on the new house! Keep us posted on your room prep and layout progress. Your excitement over the discovery of new space sounds familiar. When I realised that I had a 10-by-20 foot room in the basement available, my layout ideas took off too. Unfortunately, some reality set in and I realised that a lot of my ideas were unworkable. I won't go into details, but will offer one important hint: when drawing your layout plans, make an effort to draw them TO SCALE. Make a scale drawing of your space and either make or buy a track template that matches the scale of your room drawing. Draw curves and turnouts -- turnouts in particular! -- to scale. These things are a lot bigger than you might think! Starting from the beginning with to-scale drawings will give you a much more accurate idea of what can fit in your space. It will save you from a lot of disappointment. Even when sketching free-hand, make an effort to accurately represent your curves and turnouts. When I sketch free-hand, I draw a turnout first and then scale the free-hand drawing from that initial doodle. Thanks -- Jon Piasecki jonp@... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit the Toronto Hamilton & Buffalo Railway Historical Society Website at - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --- In small-layout-design@y..., b-freemantle@h... wrote: Hi guys,possibility of two levels and some mainline running. I will work on the design |
Re: Nelson Yard - Yard Ideas
Barry Cott
--- In small-layout-design@y..., "Jonathan Piasecki" <jonp@b...>
wrote: I won't go into details, but will offer one important hint: whenI'd go even further and say that the investment in a good model railroad design package like CADRail or 3rdPlanIt is well worth the cost. Doodles are good to start but are almost always too optimistic in terms of what will fit in real life. I tried both CADRail and 3rdPlanIt and prefer 3rdPlanIt. It seems to fit my way of thinking better. Barry Cott Calgary, AB |
Wrapped Staging (was Re: MRP Bedroom layout)
I'd probably use a piece of 3/4 thick hardwood plywood finished to
look like a floor. I'd expect that the plastic would dimple over time. At least that's been my experience with those plastic mats in an office environment. They're just a bit too flexible. --- In small-layout-design@y..., Paul/Celine Kossart <kozys@t...> wrote: Hi Jon,on the carpet to roll the cart on, at least under the area where the cartwill connect to the layout. |
Wrapped Staging (was Re: MRP Bedroom layout)
Jonathan Piasecki
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I presently have two of those plastic chair mat things in the office/possible layout room and, yeah, they get dimpled. They depth of the dimples varies depending on the hardness of the surface underneath the sheet -- the carpet in the room is somewhat soft, so the dimples are pretty deep. I wonder if the "fake hardwood" laminate flooring available from Home Depot and other floor covering shops might be useable. The flooring is 1/4" or so MDF with a woodgrain laminate surface. I doubt this material would dimple or deform under weight, but I think it would be somewhat unstable if laid over a carpeted floor -- it is intended to be laid directly over old vinyl flooring or decrepit hardwood or some other relatively hard surface. Perhaps a 1/4" sheet of plywood subfloor with the laminate flooring secured to it would work. Trim it all up nicely with some hardwood trim and it could look quite presentable. All of this may be a moot point -- this year we wrote off the room as a business expense on our taxes, so I don't think I can use the room for "personal use" stuff anymore. The Canadian tax bureau people showed up the other day and installed an RMC (Remote Monitoring Camera) in the room to make sure it is only used for business, so I doubt that I can put a layout in there now. Thanks -- Jon Piasecki jonp@... I don't mind the remote camera in the room, but the GPS transmitters in my underwear really bug me. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit the Toronto Hamilton & Buffalo Railway Historical Society Website at - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --- In small-layout-design@y..., jerry.jankura@s... wrote:
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Re: Wrapped Staging (was Re: MRP Bedroom layout)
Bill Carney
All of this may be a moot point -- this year wewrote off the room as a business expense on our taxes, so I don't think Ican use the room for "personal use" stuff anymore. The Canadian taxbureau people showed up the other day and installed an RMC(Remote Monitoring Camera) in the room to make sure it is only usedfor business, so I doubt that I can put a layout in there now.THEY DO THIS IN CANADA? Good God, if they tried that here in the states people would be rioting in the streets! |
Re: Wrapped Staging (was Re: MRP Bedroom layout)
Brian Freemantle
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As an employee of said tax bureau, I can appreciate the joke. While I would like to enlarge on the idea, I can't. Regarding the flooring problem, large wide casters may solve some of the problem by spreading the weight and making it easier to roll the cart. Otherwise, the only real solution is the impossible one: Remove the carpet and replace it with DIY hardwood or laminate flooring. When it comes to laminate, the better quality the better. The cheaper stuff uses less dense MDF and won't last as long. Brian in Prince George, BC, Modelling CPR in Nelson, BC in 1963 -----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Piasecki [mailto:jonp@...] Sent: April 17, 2001 8:57 AM To: small-layout-design@... Subject: [small-layout-design] Wrapped Staging (was Re: MRP Bedroom layout) Hello -- I presently have two of those plastic chair mat things in the office/possible layout room and, yeah, they get dimpled. They depth of the dimples varies depending on the hardness of the surface underneath the sheet -- the carpet in the room is somewhat soft, so the dimples are pretty deep. I wonder if the "fake hardwood" laminate flooring available from Home Depot and other floor covering shops might be useable. The flooring is 1/4" or so MDF with a woodgrain laminate surface. I doubt this material would dimple or deform under weight, but I think it would be somewhat unstable if laid over a carpeted floor -- it is intended to be laid directly over old vinyl flooring or decrepit hardwood or some other relatively hard surface. Perhaps a 1/4" sheet of plywood subfloor with the laminate flooring secured to it would work. Trim it all up nicely with some hardwood trim and it could look quite presentable. All of this may be a moot point -- this year we wrote off the room as a business expense on our taxes, so I don't think I can use the room for "personal use" stuff anymore. The Canadian tax bureau people showed up the other day and installed an RMC (Remote Monitoring Camera) in the room to make sure it is only used for business, so I doubt that I can put a layout in there now. Thanks -- Jon Piasecki jonp@... I don't mind the remote camera in the room, but the GPS transmitters in my underwear really bug me. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ____________________________________ Small Layout Design Discussion Group Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
Re: Nelson Yard - Yard Ideas
Brian Freemantle
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I've been trying out a few ideas, but think my earlier idea of wrapping the whole Nelson complex around two or three sides of the room still has merit. A large part of the switching action in the area was in Nelson at that time. There was also some at Castlegar and Slocan City with the majority at the Cominco smelter at Trail. Slocan City is 42 miles away at the end of a 30 mile branch and there is one sawmill there. By 1963 the two or three other mills on the branch had been bought up and closed. Slocan City also had the barge slip for the Slocan Lake barge service to Rosebery (correct spelling) to connect with the Kalso subdivision for service to New Denver (Imperial Oil fuel dealer) and Nakusp (sawmill, pole yard and fuel dealer). Slocan could be represented by staging or by a scene on the lower level connected by a helix or a trip around the entire basement. Another possibility is a moveable "barge" to connect to Rosebery. That would be one way of getting past either the door or the gap needed for access to the electrical panel. Serving New Denver would be fun, since the grade to the site of the fuel dealer was about 4%. One scene I would really like to build is the bridges across the Kootenay River. The track takes a fairly sharp turn to cross the river on three sets of bridges joining two small rocky islands in the river, then an even sharper turn to continue down the north side of the river. Castlegar, Trail and points west would be represented by staging, as would points east of Nelson. Outbound loads go east to Cranbrook, even if they are going west to Vancouver. There was still some traffic west to Penticton but how much will be the subject of further research. Just writing this has helped solidify some ideas. Now all I have to do to work them out on paper. I do plan to get 3rd Planit, but the budget won't allow it any time soon. Brian in Prince George, BC, Modelling CPR in Nelson, BC in 1963 -----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Piasecki [mailto:jonp@...] Sent: April 16, 2001 9:07 AM To: small-layout-design@... Subject: [small-layout-design] Re: Nelson Yard - Yard Ideas Hello Brian -- Congratulations on the new house! Keep us posted on your room prep and layout progress. Your excitement over the discovery of new space sounds familiar. When I realised that I had a 10-by-20 foot room in the basement available, my layout ideas took off too. Unfortunately, some reality set in and I realised that a lot of my ideas were unworkable. <Snip> Thanks -- Jon Piasecki jonp@... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit the Toronto Hamilton & Buffalo Railway Historical Society Website at - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ____________________________________ Small Layout Design Discussion Group Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
OT: Canadian Tax Camera + Laminate Flooring (was Wrapped Staging)
Jonathan Piasecki
Hello Brian --
Sorry about the jab! It was just a joke, though. For the record, everyone: the federal tax agency in Canada does NOT install surveillance equipment in our homes or offices or home offices. At least as far as I know they don't. About laminate flooring: because the office is rather small and is getting crowded with two desks and two computers, I think I will abandon that location for the shelf-type layout. We're about to get started on finishing the basement, so the layout will likely go into a similarly sized area (about 10 by 12 or so) down there. How well will laminate flooring stand up in the basement? The floor is a poured concrete slab. The basement itself is dry, but there seems to be moisture evaporating through the floor (if that makes sense). Because of this, I am concerned about putting anything even partially organic down on the floor -- I'm concerned that the MDF in the laminate may absorb moisture and rot. Anyone have any experience with this sort of flooring? Thanks -- Jon Piasecki jonp@... - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Visit the Toronto Hamilton & Buffalo Railway Historical Society Website at - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - --- In small-layout-design@y..., "Brian Freemantle" <b- freemantle@h...> wrote: Jon: |
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