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Re: Layout in a boxfile
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Just spotted ?a typo in this note. 3-2-1 should have read 3-2-2 ( ie Inglenook). On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 16:58, Nick Meredith <nick.meredith@...> wrote:
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Re: Layout in a boxfile
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Have a look at the instructions when you try to print. "Custom Scale" is one of the options allowing smaller size to be printed. This is where a percentage can be inserted.?
The other thing to consider is the thickness as the print is to be glued onto suitable card backing.
Archie From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Ron Hunt <btlarea@...>
Sent: 07 November 2018 16:45 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] Layout in a boxfile #106a ?
Right on their website is a list of different scales and it tells what needs to be done to the parts so they print out at the right scale. I would imagine one could download the file then if need be take it to a local printer/office supply and have it
printed out.?Their products sure look good.
Ron On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 9:00 AM Chris via Groups.Io <chris_nicoleuk=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Layout in a boxfile
#106a
Ron Hunt
Right on their website is a list of different scales and it tells what needs to be done to the parts so they print out at the right scale. I would imagine one could download the file then if need be take it to a local printer/office supply and have it printed out.?Their products sure look good. Ron On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 9:00 AM Chris via Groups.Io <chris_nicoleuk=[email protected]> wrote: Hi, |
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Re: Layout in a boxfile
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Normally they do redesign for different scales, to get around issues over board thicknesses and also to avoid joining pieces in small scales that run over multiple A4 sheets in larger scales. Looking at this key, they have been quite clever in this one in allowing the modeller to vary the track layout and cut the ground surfacing to fit. It would be quite possible to print the ground surfaces at 100%, but shrink (and if necessary print multiple copies to allow joining and extension) the buildings to HO.? My plan is to build one for Oo9, it will allow me to fit in slightly more than the 3-2-1 shunting, but not a huge amount. Nick On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 16:40, Archibald Campbell <fdonmedway@...> wrote:
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Re: Layout in a boxfile
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If you want to change the scale you could print at 7/8 ie 88% for HO or 50% for British N etc. It would no longer be the size of a box file but would that matter.
Archie From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Nick <nick.meredith@...>
Sent: 07 November 2018 14:21 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] Layout in a boxfile #106a ?
I¡¯ve built a lot of buildings from Scalescenes, and can endorse them as excellent.?
They are self-print kit, designed to be printed onto A4 paper, then stuck to cardboard of various weights, cut and assembled. They¡¯re fairly sophisticated, designed so as not to show the edge of cardboard, and to wrap around window and door
recesses, and to build up multiple layers.
They normally do models for a variety of scales but this one is only in OO scale. I¡¯m sure it would look fine with HO scale.
Like Chris I have no connection with the supplier apart from being a (very) satisfied customer
Nick Meredith
On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 14:00, Chris via Groups.Io <chris_nicoleuk=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Layout in a boxfile
#106a
I¡¯ve built a lot of buildings from Scalescenes, and can endorse them as excellent.? They are self-print kit, designed to be printed onto A4 paper, then stuck to cardboard of various weights, cut and assembled. They¡¯re fairly sophisticated, designed so as not to show the edge of cardboard, and to wrap around window and door recesses, and to build up multiple layers. They normally do models for a variety of scales but this one is only in OO scale. I¡¯m sure it would look fine with HO scale. Like Chris I have no connection with the supplier apart from being a (very) satisfied customer Nick Meredith On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 14:00, Chris via Groups.Io <chris_nicoleuk=[email protected]> wrote: Hi, --
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Layout in a boxfile
#106a
Hi,
ScaleScenes are a British company producing card model railway kits for buildings and structures at various scales. They are mainly British scene but some of their industrial buildings would not look out of place anywhere. Recently they brought out a complete kit for an industrial layout to fit inside a boxfile: I thought this may be of interest to the Small Layout Group. I am not connected to the company, but I have bought and used some of their products on my layout Jenswell.? Regards, Chris Nicole |
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Small Layout/Inglenook Presentation this Saturday - South Bend Indiana - Michiana Div NMRA (you don't need to be a member)
Short notice but I wanted to alert anyone in the northern Indiana/Southern Michigan area of a Small Layout Presentation at the Michiana Division NMRA monthly meeting this Saturday in South Bend, Indiana. You do not need to be an NMRA member to attend. If you have a micro or a portable small layout, they would love to have you bring it with you. Jason Cook +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Members and non-members, We will have TWO presentations at our meeting at noon EDT this Saturday, October 27, 2018 at the German Township Library.? 1. Prototype: Ron Christensen, MMR, will explain railroad braking systems. 2. Model: Ben Brubaker will present the development of his Inglenook switching layout....and the layout will be at the library. Looking forward to seeing everyone Saturday.....and please bring someone with you who has never been to one of our meetings before. If you have an Inglenook or micro layout that is portable, please bring it for added discussion. Someone, I can't remember who, had a micro layout about 10" x 20" at one of our meetings at the library in Chesterton a couple of years ago. We'd like to see that layout again. Neal Thomas, Secretary, NMRA Michiana Division |
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Re: What is a "small layout"
Barry...The texture and coloration look really authentic...keep up the good work!? Many thanks for the kudos.? John M.
On Thursday, October 25, 2018, 6:53:44 AM EDT, Barry Loraine <inchrail@...> wrote:
Thanks John. My rockface is foam board glued together with a glue gun. I then got some images of the rock faces and had them colour printed on good quality paper and stuck these on the outside with double sided tape. I'm afraid my skills don't stretch to making a proper rock construction like yours.?
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Re: What is a "small layout"
Barry Loraine
Thanks John. My rockface is foam board glued together with a glue gun. I then got some images of the rock faces and had them colour printed on good quality paper and stuck these on the outside with double sided tape. I'm afraid my skills don't stretch to making a proper rock construction like yours.?
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Sent: 24/10/2018 15:19:10
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Re: What is a "small layout"?
Here is a discussion started by referring to Dick Andrew¡¯s 18¡±x24¡± drawing board 1/4¡± scale 2¡¯ gauge layout.?
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? Charles On Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 11:52 AM, Casey Sterbenz <sterbejj@...> wrote:
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Re: What is a "small layout"
Barry, Love the "KTR"! The homebuilt equipment and locomotives look and seem to run well. Love the small single shaft DC motors visible in the one industrial shunter as well as the single point turnout. Even though I am a standard gauge, HO scale modeler, I keep seeing the narrow gauge stuff and the bug might bite me at some point. I really like the small diesel switchers. ? Thanks for sharing, Joe ? ? ?
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Re: What is a "small layout"
Your mountain looks a lot like mine!? The scales are different (mine's O-tinplate), but the scenery is about the same--my main mountain in styrofoam is about 1' x 3' x 2.6' h. that lifts-off and I added a coal load-out facility on a mine spur for interest (photos atch'd).? Nice to see great minds at work on the same idea...? ?John McGarrity, Charleston WV
On Sunday, October 21, 2018, 7:10:56 AM EDT, Barry Loraine <inchrail@...> wrote:
My 'Kitchen Table Railway' is just that. A 16mm scale, 32mm gauge railway on the kitchen table because its the only available space in my small, very small, flat. Its 4ft x 2ft and the background is made in foam board which can be quickly lifted off when I need to store the railway for those odd occasions when the kitchen table has to be used as a kitchen table. Not up to the standard of most modellers but at least it allows me to run something and keep my interest alive. Barry ------ Original Message ------
From: "libinus via Groups.Io" <david.thomas967=[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: 21/10/2018 10:56:43 Subject: Re: [small-layout-design] What is a "small layout" >Hi Joe > >In H0 4x1 is probably a tad small for a 5:3:3? Inglenook with typical >US equipment but it's easy to add a clip on "stick" beyond the modelled >layout to form part of the yard lead. The total minimum length you need >is the length of 8 cars plus the length of the loco plus the length of >the first turnout with a couple of inches for clearance. That or any >other fairly simple switching layout using equipment that you don't >mind other people handlng can be a great way to give people at train >shows , especially youngsters,? hands on experience rather than just >looking at other people's work. > >It's not just youngsters though. Some years ago, I was operating a >friend's small, 5ft 6 ins by 18ins plus cassette based "fiddle yard", >H0 layout at an exhibition near Paris (France) and got talking to a >visitor who was clearly fascinated by our typically British intensity >of operation . Rather regretfully, he told me that living in a small >Paris apartment gave him no room for a working layout but he might >manage a diorama. When I explained Inglenook Sidings to him- it can >just be fitted into four feet with older European four wheel wagons - >his obvious delight was wonderful to see; he really could have a >working layout. I'll never know whether anything came of that >conversation of course but it taught me that we all have the the >possibility of starting the ball rolling. > > > > > |
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Re: What is a "small layout"
On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 09:43 PM, Ken Howard wrote:
A slight diversion but horse trams only had one driving end. Some systems used balloon loops and others had the body of the tram mounted on the chassis using a turntable arrangement. On arriving at the end of the line the driver would unlock the body and using the horse, the body was rotated on the chassis until the tram was facing back the way it had come an ready for the return trip. No need to unhitch the horse. It would make a model with a difference if one could build it. In the UK it was common place for the horse to be unhitched and walked to the other end of the tramcar; YouTube link to a horse tram in operation at a museum: Very much a tourist attraction, but the Douglas Bay Horse Tram on the Isle of Man operates in a similar way: Steven B. |
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Re: What is a "small layout"?
What is a "Small Layout"? Perspective is everything and it is nothing.... The late Carl Arndt is credited with the term "Micro Layout" -- And he pegged it at four square feet or less..? That said, if one were to go through Carl's website one would see that he often took liberties with his own definition! Prior to Carl Arndt, the French had competitions for what they called "Micro-Resseau" (Micro Layout in French) that used complex calculations of track gauge and scale.? In reality, the concept goes way back to some of the earliest days of the hobby.? One of the first track plans for HO scale in Model Railroader would easily be recognized as an "Inglenook" today even though that plan was from 1934 and Alan Wright did not present "Inglenook Sidings" until 1972. I noted the comment about the 3-3-5 Inglenook -- A 2-2-4 or even 2-2-3 can be fun to operate and great to introduce others to the hobby... A 2-2-3 easily fits into a box eight inches wide and four feet long for HO Scale with 40 foot cars.? The same layout in the same space works in On30 with 18 foot cars and a Bachmann Heisler...Or fits a 3-3-5 pattern with a Bachmann Porter and scratchbuilt/kitbashed four wheel cars of an industrial pattern.?? Beyond the inglenook there are other suitable and portable layout patterns as well.? John Allen's Time-Saver is a classic that has been adapted many times for more prototypical operation.? Pizza style "roundy-roundy" layouts are another (look like they will fit in a pizza box"!?? I like to think in terms of micro, mini, and small layouts in this fashion... "Micro" holds to Carl Arndt's general definition and principles... A "Mini" layout is easily transportable in most vehicles. A "Small" layout would fit it a "spare room" and yet allow that room to be used as a home office, guest bedroom, or similar alternative use beyond the layout. Hope this helps...
John Reynolds
On Tuesday, October 23, 2018, 7:41:53 PM PDT, Mike Calo <michaelcalo3403@...> wrote:
Hello group - I may have missed this as an answer to the question at hand, but to me a "small layout" is just that - a small layout.? Not a module (though some of these may be operated as independent layouts in the smaller scales such as N or Z).? To me? a small layout is a permanent structure occupying no more than a small bedroom such as shelf layouts that are 2' deep and which run around the walls of the room, or a physically small layout (hence the name) such as the Oklahoma and Western (4' x 7'). Just my two Lincolns. Mike Calo |
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Re: What is a "small layout"?
Hello group - I may have missed this as an answer to the question at hand, but to me a "small layout" is just that - a small layout.? Not a module (though some of these may be operated as independent layouts in the smaller scales such as N or Z).? To me? a small layout is a permanent structure occupying no more than a small bedroom such as shelf layouts that are 2' deep and which run around the walls of the room, or a physically small layout (hence the name) such as the Oklahoma and Western (4' x 7'). Just my two Lincolns. Mike Calo |
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Re: What is a "small layout"
Ken Howard
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýAlso used in 1:1 scale on the old horse tram systems. The wheels ran? on the flanges while passing through the points and the horse was moved out to the side to provide the bias needed for the tram to take the desired route.
A slight diversion but horse trams only had one driving end. Some systems used balloon loops and others had the body of the tram mounted on the chassis using a turntable arrangement. On arriving at the end of the line the driver would unlock the body and using the horse, the body was rotated on the chassis until the tram was facing back the way it had come an ready for the return trip. No need to unhitch the horse. It would make a model with a difference if one could build it.
Ken On 24/10/2018 3:42 AM, Archibald
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Re: What is a "small layout"
Skip Luke
We called them "Kick switches" in underground mining. Ok for hand-tramming (pushing an ore car) but not too good with motors (locos.) Nowadays they use regular double-point switches ..... that long single rail is too abrupt for mine motors and heavy cars.
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