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Placing Two Identical Regulated DC supplies in Parallel


 

Very nice supplies, indeed Chuck, actually almost mind boggling to get all that power out of such a small area 1U rack. I was just concerned about the reliability of what is probably a very small diameter cooling fan, so I looked up the warranty and it was 2 yrs on the supply. I had surmised that a small fan running at a higher speed would be less reliable with time. That did not seem to be true up on a quick check with Digi-Key on small high rpm (40mm diameter) vs larger slower running (80mm) fans of the same manufacturer, had the same lifetime. The only longevity difference was in the bearing type. Sleeve bearing fans had 40 degree C continuous full speed lifetime of 35,000 hrs (4 yrs) - Double ball bearing fans 50,000 hrs (5.7 yrs), and Vapo Bearing fans 70,000 hrs (8 yrs).

I wonder if you know if the fan on the ICT units run full speed all the time, or are temperature speed controlled, giving longer fan lifetime?

John

On 04/20/2025 5:38 PM EDT Chuck Kimball via groups.io <n0nhj@...> wrote:


For our club site, I consolidated all the 12V loads onto a single power
system, using
ICT N+1 Power system.??? Same supplies as what Daniels/Codan/Zetron
supplied with
their units.?? Provides the redundancy, alarming, etc.? Yes, pricier
than an Astron, but given
the site is almost 12,000', it only takes the savings of one or two
extra trips to trouble shoot
power problems to make it worthwhile.?? Running for 7 or 8 years so far
with nary a hiccup.


In all my years of getting paid to do radio/electronic repair, an
extremely high percentage of the
problems were power & power supply related.? Investing in a good power
system pays off in the long run.
Making the investment in good station style batteries also pays off.?
Yes they are several times
the cost of regular deep cycle lead acid, but they will run for 15-20
years, so in balances out
over time.

You can pay up front, or you can spend your money on gasoline, tires,
and wear and tear getting
to/from your site.?? For those of us that have to get to mountain tops,
it pays to do it well the first
time.?? And just like generators, remember to look closely at the specs
for your power supply if you
are operating at Altitude, most specs are only to 10K or lower.

Chuck?? n0nhj
Glenwood Springs, CO? USA

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ICT (and others) are variable speed.

I run Alpha (Cordex) multi unit supplies too. Multi-circuit input, HA/load sharing up to 4 units, mixed voltage as well.

Matt
AL0R

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Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] Placing Two Identical Regulated DC supplies in Parallel

Very nice supplies, indeed Chuck, actually almost mind boggling to get all that power out of such a small area 1U rack. I was just concerned about the reliability of what is probably a very small diameter cooling fan, so I looked up the warranty and it was 2 yrs on the supply. I had surmised that a small fan running at a higher speed would be less reliable with time. That did not seem to be true up on a quick check with Digi-Key on small high rpm (40mm diameter) vs larger slower running (80mm) fans of the same manufacturer, had the same lifetime. The only longevity difference was in the bearing type. Sleeve bearing fans had 40 degree C continuous full speed lifetime of 35,000 hrs (4 yrs) - Double ball bearing fans 50,000 hrs (5.7 yrs), and Vapo Bearing fans 70,000 hrs (8 yrs).

I wonder if you know if the fan on the ICT units run full speed all the time, or are temperature speed controlled, giving longer fan lifetime?

John
On 04/20/2025 5:38 PM EDT Chuck Kimball via groups.io <n0nhj@...> wrote:


For our club site, I consolidated all the 12V loads onto a single
power system, using ICT N+1 Power system. Same supplies as what
Daniels/Codan/Zetron supplied with their units. Provides the
redundancy, alarming, etc. Yes, pricier than an Astron, but given the
site is almost 12,000', it only takes the savings of one or two extra
trips to trouble shoot power problems to make it worthwhile. Running
for 7 or 8 years so far with nary a hiccup.


In all my years of getting paid to do radio/electronic repair, an
extremely high percentage of the problems were power & power supply
related. Investing in a good power system pays off in the long run.
Making the investment in good station style batteries also pays off.
Yes they are several times the cost of regular deep cycle lead acid,
but they will run for 15-20 years, so in balances out over time.

You can pay up front, or you can spend your money on gasoline, tires,
and wear and tear getting to/from your site. For those of us that
have to get to mountain tops, it pays to do it well the first time.
And just like generators, remember to look closely at the specs for
your power supply if you are operating at Altitude, most specs are
only to 10K or lower.

Chuck n0nhj
Glenwood Springs, CO USA

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I can't speak to the 1U units.??? The units I'm familiar with were 2? or 3 RU, and the modules were vertically oriented.
Looks like I downloaded the spec sheet in 2015, and I think we bought it the following year.
The one I got from Codan was probably a year earlier.??? They were an ICT22012 model.?? No fans on the front,
don't recall if they have them on the rear, but never head a fan running, but larger units so may not need the
active cooling as much.

Chuck? n0nhj

On 4/20/2025 19:21, John via groups.io wrote:
Very nice supplies, indeed Chuck, actually almost mind boggling to get all that power out of such a small area 1U rack. I was just concerned about the reliability of what is probably a very small diameter cooling fan, so I looked up the warranty and it was 2 yrs on the supply. I had surmised that a small fan running at a higher speed would be less reliable with time. That did not seem to be true up on a quick check with Digi-Key on small high rpm (40mm diameter) vs larger slower running (80mm) fans of the same manufacturer, had the same lifetime. The only longevity difference was in the bearing type. Sleeve bearing fans had 40 degree C continuous full speed lifetime of 35,000 hrs (4 yrs) - Double ball bearing fans 50,000 hrs (5.7 yrs), and Vapo Bearing fans 70,000 hrs (8 yrs).

I wonder if you know if the fan on the ICT units run full speed all the time, or are temperature speed controlled, giving longer fan lifetime?

John
On 04/20/2025 5:38 PM EDT Chuck Kimball via groups.io <n0nhj@...> wrote:

For our club site, I consolidated all the 12V loads onto a single power
system, using
ICT N+1 Power system.??? Same supplies as what Daniels/Codan/Zetron
supplied with
their units.?? Provides the redundancy, alarming, etc.? Yes, pricier
than an Astron, but given
the site is almost 12,000', it only takes the savings of one or two
extra trips to trouble shoot
power problems to make it worthwhile.?? Running for 7 or 8 years so far
with nary a hiccup.


In all my years of getting paid to do radio/electronic repair, an
extremely high percentage of the
problems were power & power supply related.? Investing in a good power
system pays off in the long run.
Making the investment in good station style batteries also pays off.
Yes they are several times
the cost of regular deep cycle lead acid, but they will run for 15-20
years, so in balances out
over time.

You can pay up front, or you can spend your money on gasoline, tires,
and wear and tear getting
to/from your site.?? For those of us that have to get to mountain tops,
it pays to do it well the first
time.?? And just like generators, remember to look closely at the specs
for your power supply if you
are operating at Altitude, most specs are only to 10K or lower.

Chuck?? n0nhj
Glenwood Springs, CO? USA

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