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How do Decibel Products low band duplexers work?


Ed Bathgate, RMA Repair Dept x8785
 

I was researching 6 meter band antennas & duplexers, and came across
Decibel Products. They have a design of a duplexer that can do a
.5mhz split and its only 30" high. It uses what appears to be 6
tunable paint cans, (???!) and several sets of tuned length coax
lines and several coax stubs.

I have rebuilt and re tuned a hybrid ring duplexer for 2m, and old
sinclair, that looked like 4 scuba tanks and a whole lot of coax.

I was intrigued by their design, until I called them and got
the $2300 price! Yeowza!!

Ok, can I build a similar device?
How can they get a small can to do 6 meters?
What is inside the 'paint cans'?

I already know of the heliax stub duplexer design...
I know a fellow who was selling his, it does not work
well according to him. I know where I can get paint
cans cheap...

73

Ed N3SDO

Ed Bathgate RMA Dept (724) 772-8785
pager (412) 649-6773


Tedd Doda
 

Hi Ed:

On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 09:13:37 -0500, Ed Bathgate, RMA Repair Dept x8785 wrote:

Ok, can I build a similar device?
Probably, as the inside is simple, but look around for
a used one. As more and more government/business's get
away from the low band, they will become easier to find.


How can they get a small can to do 6 meters?
Ah...the wonders of helical resonators! You have to
remember that these "cans" can only be set up for
NOTCHING a frequency, and not PASSING a frequency.

Look at any good commercial 2 meter or UHF radio. The
small square blocks near the antenna are helical
resonators.

What is inside the 'paint cans'?
A coil of wire (the helix) and a plunger on a threaded
rod which tunes the helix to the frequency of choice.

I already know of the heliax stub duplexer design...
I know a fellow who was selling his, it does not work
well according to him. I know where I can get paint
cans cheap...
Most of the heliax stubs are 1/4 wave length long, and
do basically the same as a helical resonator. The
shorted and opened stubs are there for usually the "C"
part of the "LC" circuit (creating the "50 ohm" in/out).


Tedd Doda CET

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John Hackman
 

The helical resonator/stub lowband duplexers work ... but that's about all
you can say about them. It is real easy to end up with almost zero
transmitter power out to the antenna and a nice, toasty warm duplexer,
particularly with 250-400 watt Micor repeaters. They also provide ZERO
isolation from interference and intermod-producing signals coming down the
antenna line.

30-50 MHz cavities are not real common but can be found - 2 or 3 of those
will make a very nice duplexer. TX-RX and Wacom also produce cavity
duplexers. Or you can shop the spring garage sales for used hot water
heaters and build your own!

......John WB4VVA

-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Bathgate, RMA Repair Dept x8785 <ed@...>
To: Repeater-builder@... <Repeater-builder@...>
Date: Thursday, March 18, 1999 9:14 AM
Subject: [Repeater-builder] How do Decibel Products low band duplexers work?


From: "Ed Bathgate, RMA Repair Dept x8785" <ed@...>


I was researching 6 meter band antennas & duplexers, and came across
Decibel Products. They have a design of a duplexer that can do a
.5mhz split and its only 30" high. It uses what appears to be 6
tunable paint cans, (???!) and several sets of tuned length coax
lines and several coax stubs.

I have rebuilt and re tuned a hybrid ring duplexer for 2m, and old
sinclair, that looked like 4 scuba tanks and a whole lot of coax.

I was intrigued by their design, until I called them and got
the $2300 price! Yeowza!!

Ok, can I build a similar device?
How can they get a small can to do 6 meters?
What is inside the 'paint cans'?

I already know of the heliax stub duplexer design...
I know a fellow who was selling his, it does not work
well according to him. I know where I can get paint
cans cheap...

73

Ed N3SDO

Ed Bathgate RMA Dept (724) 772-8785
pager (412) 649-6773

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