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We have a Kenwood TK-760H VHF that needs to be reprogrammed. I have the correct software KG-29D and just got what I believe is the correct Serial Port programming cable however I cannot read the radio. I¡¯ve looked at the RB website and found the manual for the radio but no other information on programming other than the software to use. Is there anyone in the group that could shed some light on what the problem could be. Thanks Mike W1ZFB |
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Andy Brinkley
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýMike ¨C ? Sounds like you are on the right track, just make sure you are running KPG-29D on a computer running DOS (No Windoze).? Correct factory cable is a KPG-4 which has a 25 pin serial connection on one in and a 6 pin connector on the other end to plug into the microphone jack.? Been a while since I programmed one but it seems like you can select a limited number of com ports in the software for the programming cable. No special buttons to hold down, the radio should indicate ¡°program¡± when you plug the cable into the microphone jack IIRC. ? Andy / NC4AB ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of MIKE CHRISTIE via groups.io ? We have a Kenwood TK-760H VHF that needs to be reprogrammed. I have the correct software KG-29D and just got what I believe is the correct Serial Port programming cable however I cannot read the radio. I¡¯ve looked at the RB website and found the manual for the radio but no other information on programming other than the software to use. Is there anyone in the group that could shed some light on what the problem could be. Thanks Mike W1ZFB |
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Andy
Thanks for the reply. I purchased the KPG-4 cable which is what I was trying to use and was using DOS. But I'm confused because the KPG-4 cable I bought has a serial pin connector on the end going to the computer and you said it has a 25 pin connector on it. Should i have purchased one with a 25 Pin connector? Thanks Mike |
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At 1/6/2021 06:57 PM, you wrote:
AndyAll the KPG-4s I've seen have a 9 pin serial connector. They may be aftermarket but they should work. Mine works on the TK-805D, TK-860 & TK-880. Bob NO6B |
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Hi Mike,? The 25 pin is "probably" serial. The connector you referred to as "serial", I assume is a 9 pin. I this case, both are "probably" serial. These two connector types are quite commonly used in all types of electronic connections. Know what you are dealing with. Many have been surprised with damaged equipment in the computer and communications industry by grabbing a cable and plugging it in "because it fit". Same with microphone connectors blowing mic preamps. Knowing the wiring (signal and pin#) on the 25 pin and 9 pin, you can quickly make an adapter if necessary. Been there, seen it, and yes, I've done it! Frank N6CES On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 7:01 PM MIKE CHRISTIE via <MZFB=[email protected]> wrote: Andy |
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Al Lowenstein
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25 pin to 9 pin adapters are very common, or at least used to be!
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Frank Perkins <N6CES.r@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 9:20 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] Kenwood TK-760H VHF ?
Hi Mike,?
The 25 pin is "probably" serial.
The connector you referred to as "serial", I assume is a 9 pin. I this case, both are "probably" serial.
These two connector types are quite commonly used in all types of electronic connections. Know what you are dealing with. Many have been surprised with damaged equipment in the computer and communications industry by grabbing a cable and plugging
it in "because it fit". Same with microphone connectors blowing mic preamps.
Knowing the wiring (signal and pin#) on the 25 pin and 9 pin, you can quickly make an adapter if necessary.
Been there, seen it, and yes, I've done it!
Frank N6CES
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021, 7:01 PM MIKE CHRISTIE via
<MZFB=[email protected]> wrote:
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¿ªÔÆÌåÓýThe Kenwood factory KPG-4 cable that I have used for the past 25+ years terminates in a DB-25 serial connection.? If you have a factory cable you will need buy or build a DB-9 to DB-25 cable.? As far as the aftermarket cables I have seen some that work 100%, some that didn¡¯t work at all, so buyer beware. ? Feel free to PM me if you need more info. ? Andy / NC4AB ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of MIKE CHRISTIE via groups.io ? Andy _._,_._,_ |
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The original KPG-4 used a DB-25 connector for the computer side. The back-shell contains the radio interface circuitry. Later Kenwood supplied cables did change to use the DB-9 connector for the computer connection. The change was made possible by the increasing use of leadless components.
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You need to be in a true DOS environment for these older programs to run properly. Best to use an older computer that runs Win98 or XP and boot into DOS. I keep several older laptops around for just such occasions. Milt N3LTQ On 1/6/2021 9:57 PM, MIKE CHRISTIE via groups.io wrote:
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At 1/7/2021 09:05 AM, you wrote:
You need to be in a true DOS environment for these older programs to runI would change "properly" to "reliably". I run KPG-29D inside DOSBox on my Win 8.1 system & it works flawlessly. OTOH KPG-29D on my old WinXP laptop will not talk to the radio correctly unless I boot DOS on it. Since it's easier & doesn't require dedicated hardware you could just try DOSBox & see if it works. If it does it'll save you some time; if it won't talk to the radio don't waste time fighting it, just boot DOS. BTW both computers have dedicated serial ports, not USB to serial converters. For desktops w/o a built-in serial port you can get a cheap PCI or PCIe serial card. Bob NO6B |
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Thanks to all that replied. I found the problem thanks to Andy. The radio model I thought I had was a TK-760H which was what was on the Tag said but it also had after the 760H a "G" . Andy pointed out three clues, buttons on a newer model 760 were white, in program mode it should show "Programming" not "PC" and the TK760H uses the RJ11 and the TK760G uses the RJ45. Coupled with this information and the new TK760G programming software KPG56D which I had a copy of I was able to read and write to the radio. The Radio Tag was confusing to me the way it read "TK760HG" I had disregarded the the "G". |
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El mi¨¦rcoles, 6 de enero de 2021 17:51:42 ART, MIKE CHRISTIE via groups.io <mzfb@...> escribi¨®:
We have a Kenwood TK-760H VHF that needs to be reprogrammed. I have the correct software KG-29D and just got what I believe is the correct Serial Port programming cable however I cannot read the radio. I¡¯ve looked at the RB website and found the manual for the radio but no other information on programming other than the software to use. Is there anyone in the group that could shed some light on what the problem could be. Thanks Mike W1ZFB |
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On 1/10/2021 7:38 AM, MIKE CHRISTIE via groups.io wrote:
Thanks to all that replied. I found the problem thanks to Andy. The radio model I thought I had was a TK-760H which was what was on the Tag said but it also had after the 760H a "G" . Andy pointed out three clues, buttons on a newer model 760 were white, in program mode it should show "Programming" not "PC" and the TK760H uses the RJ11 and the TK760G uses the RJ45. Coupled with this information and the new TK760G programming software KPG56D which I had a copy of I was able to read and write to the radio. The Radio Tag was confusing to me the way it read "TK760HG" I had disregarded the the "G".Ding ding ding! Btw, the G in this case tells you that it is narrowband compliant for Part 90. The non-G is not. |
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At 1/19/2021 06:20 PM, you wrote:
On 1/10/2021 7:38 AM, MIKE CHRISTIE via groups.io wrote:Then why do my TK-860s have a narrow/wide setting? Kind of doubt Kenwood would put that in a commercial radio just for yuks.Thanks to all that replied. I found the problem thanks to Andy. The radio model I thought I had was a TK-760H which was what was on the Tag said but it also had after the 760H a "G" . Andy pointed out three clues, buttons on a newer model 760 were white, in program mode it should show "Programming" not "PC" and the TK760H uses the RJ11 and the TK760G uses the RJ45. Coupled with this information and the new TK760G programming software KPG56D which I had a copy of I was able to read and write to the radio. The Radio Tag was confusing to me the way it read "TK760HG" I had disregarded the the "G".Ding ding ding! Btw, the G in this case tells you that it is narrowband Bob NO6B |
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On 1/20/2021 3:03 AM, Bob Dengler wrote:
At 1/19/2021 06:20 PM, you wrote:If it's not a "G", it's not narrowband capable...*unless* it has an "N" instead. Then it's narrow only.On 1/10/2021 7:38 AM, MIKE CHRISTIE via groups.io wrote:Then why do my TK-860s have a narrow/wide setting? Kind of doubt Kenwood would put that in a commercial radio just for yuks.Thanks to all that replied. I found the problem thanks to Andy. The radio model I thought I had was a TK-760H which was what was on the Tag said but it also had after the 760H a "G" . Andy pointed out three clues, buttons on a newer model 760 were white, in program mode it should show "Programming" not "PC" and the TK760H uses the RJ11 and the TK760G uses the RJ45. Coupled with this information and the new TK760G programming software KPG56D which I had a copy of I was able to read and write to the radio. The Radio Tag was confusing to me the way it read "TK760HG" I had disregarded the the "G".Ding ding ding! Btw, the G in this case tells you that it is narrowband |
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At 1/21/2021 08:16 PM, you wrote:
I think you're thinking about the TK-805D/DN, or the TK-809 which is also only narrowband. The TK-760/860 does in fact have wide and narrow capability - see attached.If it's not a "G", it's not narrowband capable...*unless* it has an "N"Then why do my TK-860s have a narrow/wide setting? Kind of doubt Kenwood would put that in a commercial radio just for yuks. Bob NO6B |
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