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222MHZ Micor repeater


 

Hello All..
Did anybody ever modify a vhf 160mhz micor base station for 220mhz??? the
exciter is a true fm and not phase modulation..
I just did one and i used the mods for a mobile and i only get around 50MW
out of the exciter on a bird meter, before the mod i was getting 600MW..
The mobile exciter i believe its a little different, has some different
components in the rf section not just in the phase modulation circuit..
Any body has mods for the vhf base/repeater exciter????

Thanks


Fred


 

In a message dated 2/15/99 9:08:13 PM Eastern Standard Time, kuggie@...
writes:

<<
Did anybody ever modify a vhf 160mhz micor base station for 220mhz???the
exciter is a true fm and not phase modulation..
I just did one and i used the mods for a mobile&nbsp; and i only getaround
50MW
out of the exciter on a bird meter, before the mod i was getting 600MW..
The mobile exciter i believe its a little different, has some different
components in the rf section&nbsp; not just in the phase modulationcircuit..
Any body has mods for the vhf base/repeater exciter????
Thanks
Fred</blockquote>Fred,
Which model 4 pin exciter do you have?
Kevin >>

The exciter is a TLD5322B and the channel element is a KXN1018C.... by the way
i can only get 2kc deviation out of the exciter, does anybody know which
capacitor i have to change in the element?

Thanks


Fred


Kevin K. Custer W3KKC
 

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<p>Hello All..
<br>Did anybody ever modify a vhf 160mhz micor base station for 220mhz???
the
<br>exciter is a true fm and not phase modulation..
<br>I just did one and i used the mods for a mobile&nbsp; and i only get
around 50MW
<br>out of the exciter on a bird meter, before the mod i was getting 600MW..
<br>The mobile exciter i believe its a little different, has some different
<br>components in the rf section&nbsp; not just in the phase modulation
circuit..
<br>Any body has mods for the vhf base/repeater exciter????
<p>Thanks
<p>Fred</blockquote>
Fred,
<p>Which model 4 pin exciter do you have?
<p>Kevin</html>


Kevin K. Custer W3KKC
 

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<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Fred,
<br>Which model 4 pin exciter do you have?
<br>Kevin >>
<p>The exciter is a TLD5322B and the channel element is a KXN1018C....
by the way
<br>i can only get 2kc deviation out of the exciter, does anybody know
which
<br>capacitor i have to change in the element?
<p>Thanks
<p>Fred
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Well, I have no experience with that exciter. I use the TLD 8732A
<p>As far as the deviation goes, you should not have to change anything
in the element because of deviation. If you are able to net the crystal
on frequency, you should be able to get MORE deviation from the exciter
now that it is on 220. Why? The crystal oscillator has been multiplied
more times (18 instead of 12.) 417 cycles of deviation at the oscillator
is necessary to make 5 kc. deviation at the output on high band (2 meters)
the same oscillator deviation (417 cycles) should net 7.5 kc. deviation
on 222 mc. You should have more than enough deviation on 222.
<p>Sounds to me like there is a problem with the buffer amp (Q404) or first
tripler (Q405.)
<p>Do you have the schematic, and trouble shooting procedure? It should
still apply.
<br>Does each stage tune at a precise peak? How about the tuning slugs,
are they all the way into the sleeve or way out?
<p>Did you put any caps on the channel element to net it on frequency?
If you did you may have taken away the ability to deviate the oscillator.
<p>If you cannot get this transmitter to work, I can send you a TLD 5382A
style exciter and channel element.
<p>Kevin
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In a message dated 2/15/99 9:47:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, kuggie@...
writes:

<< ve no experience with that exciter. I use the TLD 8732A
As far as the deviation goes, you should not have to change anything in the
element because of deviation. If you are able to net the crystal on frequency,
you should be able to get MORE deviation from the exciter now that it is on
220. Why? The crystal oscillator has been multiplied more times (18 instead of
12.) 417 cycles of deviation at the oscillator is necessary to make 5 kc.
deviation at the output on high band (2 meters) the same oscillator deviation
(417 cycles) should net 7.5 kc. deviationon 222 mc. You should have more than
enough deviation on 222.
Sounds to me like there is a problem with the buffer amp (Q404) or
firsttripler (Q405.)
Do you have the schematic, and trouble shooting procedure? It shouldstill
apply.
Does each stage tune at a precise peak? How about the tuning slugs,are they
all the way into the sleeve or way out?
Did you put any caps on the channel element to net it on frequency? If you did
you may have taken away the ability to deviate the oscillator.
If you cannot get this transmitter to work, I can send you a TLD 5382Astyle
exciter and channel element.
Kevin
&nbsp; >>


Kevin and the Group..
I had a problem with the crystals, doing two conversions here for 222mhz,
thats why i could not get the proper deviation..
I stopped by the local crystal manufacter here in jersey, and looks like for
the conversion the crystal needs to be cut with different specs.. (out of band
specs)..and not the regular cut..they cut the crystals with commercial specs
and it did not work properly..
So i have to way another few days for them to get me new crystals..
On some micor KXN??? elements the ones that have the varactor inside the
element, theres a cap in series with the varactor, and changing the cap has
the affect of increasing or decreasing the modulation sensitivity of the
element, thats were i thought my problem was with the deviation..
I did more then ten conversions on micors to the ham bands and only a few i
had to change this cap.......on the comp. tunning cap yes all of them i
believe i went as high as 45pf and even on some taking this cap out..

Will see when i get the channel elements back maybe i will get more then the
50mw out of the exciter..

Will let you all know when i get it going ..

Fred