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Help with out of range programming a Motorola GP300
I was recently given a pair of GP300 HTs and am trying to get them reprogrammed for some new hams in the area.
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I have the programmer and RSS and can download the codeplug.? But, these are 398-443 MHz RX radios (P94YPC20C1) and won't allow me to put the Amateur repeater frequencies in.
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I've tried the Shift key trick when entering frequencies to no avail (have used this successfully on Radius and GM300 models).? Even tried using a Hex editor and directions I found here to alter the ID bit associated with the model.
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Neither works.
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Any thoughts on what to try next?
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ron |
Hello Ron,
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A couple things here. The "1" in the last of the model number is 433 MHz not 443 MHz. I believe that with the shift method, or hex edit, will only let you go down in frequency, not up. You also don't say what frequencies you are trying to use. Mick - W7CAT ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron via groups.io" To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2025 08:19:02 AM Subject: [repeater-builder] Help with out of range programming a Motorola GP300 I was recently given a pair of GP300 HTs and am trying to get themreprogrammed for some new hams in the area. these are 398-443 MHz RX radios (P94YPC20C1) and won't allow me to put the Amateur repeater frequencies in. (have used this successfully on Radius and GM300 models).? Even tried using a Hex editor and directions I found here to alter the ID bit associated with the model. -- Untitled Document |
Howdy, If the radio has the proper range just hold down o the shift key while typing in the frequency but let off the shift key when typing the middle decimal. The press shift again when you type in the reminder of the frequency after the decimal then hit TAB and your frequency should display correctly. If it will not accept those frequencies, it will tell you. Hope this helps 73 DE KD5FMU -- Fred "Freddie Mac" McGuire - KD5FMU Henryetta, OK |
"If the radio has the proper range . . ."
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Then there is no need to do anything but program it as you normally would. What he is trying to do is program some radios that are NOT in the proper range. And again, I don't think the shift method will work to bring the frequency higher. Mick - W7CAT ----- Original Message -----
From: "Freddie Mac-KD5FMU via groups.io" To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2025 10:01:42 AM Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] Help with out of range programming a Motorola GP300 Howdy,while typing in the frequency but let off the shift key when typing the middle decimal. The press shift again when you type in the reminder of the frequency after the decimal then hit TAB and your frequency should display correctly. If it will not accept those frequencies, it will tell you. -- Untitled Document |
They probably won't go. 440 is going to be pushing the upper limit, most likely.
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On 4/27/2025 8:53 AM, Ron via groups.io wrote:
Oops, yes typo.? Should have been 433... |
Ron, Some HTs will not go much past their designed range as the VCO, transmitter, and receive filters bandwidth is only so wide. Once programmed, you'll need to run the alignment section of the RSS/CPS software to adjust filters, deviation, etc. I've got a couple MTX9000 900MHz HTs. Same model. One will do 927MHz TX and RX and 902 TX, while the other will only do 927 RX! Benjamin, KB9LFZ? On Sat, Apr 26, 2025, 09:19 Ron via <rolexa=[email protected]> wrote:
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For what it is worth, the frequency ranges for the GP300 (and P110) radios are as follows:
VHF 136-155MHz 146-174MHz UHF 403-433MHz 438-470MHz 465-496Mhz 490-520Mhz Using shift during frequency entering in RSS will allow for almost any entry, but radio specific VCO will only give you some leeway outside its own range, but not too much to operate well into the adjacent lower or higher ranges, specially for UHF models. |
Thanks for the guidance.? Looks like these have no ability to become "new ham intro radios" for the local repeaters.
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Alex, the shift trick definitely does not work when trying to go up in frequency.? I havent tried going down, since there's no legal spot to move it down band...?
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When using the shift trick, The RSS chokes on input and reverts to the originally programmed channel with a warning noting the frequency limits of the radio.
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I know it works on some of the other Radius and Maxtrac RSS programs, as I've successfully gotten those radios into the ham bands, and still support a number of old timers with those radios as new repeaters come on line and the radios need updating.
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They are nice little radios, and I had hoped to reprogram and give them away, but it seems they will not be useful.? Maybe I'll try to set them up as low power Allstar nodes for a connection around the QTH...
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ron
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I've not done this in probably 25 years, so memory is a bit foggy, but don't recall the trick being effective only to go down in frequency, but rather also up. And what I do remember clearly is that it is very important that first of all you need to enter ALL frequency (7) digits (even if they are trailing zeros), and secondly it is also vital to remember to momentarily let go of the shift button when entering the period (.) into the frequency, otherwise in either case the RSS will reject the entry and revert to displaying the previous frequency.
Also probably worth mentioning is that since the VCO voltage also controls the adjustment/tracking of the RX stages, its important for that to work right, as depending on the target frequency you may still have a decent VCO lock but the receiver sensitivity might not be very usable. Mainly as a test and mostly for the fun of it in the mid-late 90s was able to convert a 490-520 unit down to the 438-470 range by replacing parts taken from a carcass radio which consisted of over half a dozen low value (pF) tiny 0406 SMD chip caps mainly from the receiver stages and VCO, and possibly at a couple of other spots, plus having to swap the transmit power module, and then use the shift entry to program it. But in the end had somewhat limited success, as the radio basically worked but there where still some deficiencies and it would also not work properly for the whole intended new lower range. Maybe there where a few other caps that I missed, and in the end this non trivial procedure was barely worth the effort, but it proved that a range conversion was possible. Hope that helps some. |
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