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Quantar TFD6512A Preselector Filter


 

Friends,
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I need to retune the subject preselector and was wondering if there are any procedures someone could share or point me to.? I have a HP8320B and a HP8935 to do the work with, but I could not find any procedures in either the Instruction manual or the service manual.? Perhaps I overlooked it.?
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Thanks!
Jeff KC8VFN


 

VHF or UHF? I just inject a signal and tune for best Sinad sensitivity in the speaker..

Chris WB5ITT


On Fri, Mar 14, 2025, 7:26 PM Jeff Acree via <locustpointlight=[email protected]> wrote:
Friends,
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I need to retune the subject preselector and was wondering if there are any procedures someone could share or point me to.? I have a HP8320B and a HP8935 to do the work with, but I could not find any procedures in either the Instruction manual or the service manual.? Perhaps I overlooked it.?
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Thanks!
Jeff KC8VFN


 

Easiest thing to do is set up one of your service monitors as a signal generator on your desired frequency.

I prefer to use the Duplex Out into the receiver antenna jack on the back.

From the RX test menu, Set the output port to Duplex Out and then generate a signal at -20dBm or so if you are totally off tune. Set the first tone generator at 1.000 kHz at 3 kHz deviation and set the second tone generator to your PL frequency like 0.123 kHz and at 0.7 kHz deviation.

Unmute the receiver by pressing volume up or down on the front panel.

Raise or lower the signal level of the generator so you can hear noise in the speaker audio.

Adjust the Helicals with a straight screw driver on the front of the receiver for minimum noise on the test tone.

Lower the output of the signal generator for more noise in the speaker and repeat tuning.

You should be able to get the signal generator down to -117 to -120 to where no more improvement will occur.

The alternative is to remove the helical assembly and set up the spectrum analyzer and tracking generator of the service monitor and tune the filter that way. You will need mini UHF to BNC adapters.
But pretty much you tune the filter to be flat top for 3 to 4 MHz wide. You should see about -1 to -1.5dB of loss. You can either center pass band to your receive frequency or this method allows an offset tune where you put the pass band edge at your receive frequency and you can gain additional rejection at the transmit frequency.


On Fri, Mar 14, 2025, 17:58 Chris Boone WB5ITT via <setxtelecom=[email protected]> wrote:

VHF or UHF? I just inject a signal and tune for best Sinad sensitivity in the speaker..

Chris WB5ITT


On Fri, Mar 14, 2025, 7:26 PM Jeff Acree via <locustpointlight=[email protected]> wrote:
Friends,
?
I need to retune the subject preselector and was wondering if there are any procedures someone could share or point me to.? I have a HP8320B and a HP8935 to do the work with, but I could not find any procedures in either the Instruction manual or the service manual.? Perhaps I overlooked it.?
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Thanks!
Jeff KC8VFN


 

Hello Chris,
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It is VHF 150-174 MHz.
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Thanks!
Jeff


 

I am currently configured for the alternative method DCFLuX mentioned below using the tracking generator feature.? I tune the duplexer notches in the same manner.? I was wondering if there is a preferred sequence for the five adjustments or anything else I should know.? The Motorola instructions for retuning a MSF5000 pre-selector are pretty solid.? For this thing I have next to nothing.? I am already wondering if I should just stick with what I know (MSF5000s) even though they are antiques.? Greatly appreciate any advice I can get.
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Thanks!
Jeff


 

The helical casting does have the holes to insert the white probe cable that the MSF5000 uses and the instruction manual does come with that cable if you ordered it.

It's more or less the same procedure as the MSF, just a smaller filter.


On Fri, Mar 14, 2025, 18:57 Jeff Acree via <locustpointlight=[email protected]> wrote:
I am currently configured for the alternative method DCFLuX mentioned below using the tracking generator feature.? I tune the duplexer notches in the same manner.? I was wondering if there is a preferred sequence for the five adjustments or anything else I should know.? The Motorola instructions for retuning a MSF5000 pre-selector are pretty solid.? For this thing I have next to nothing.? I am already wondering if I should just stick with what I know (MSF5000s) even though they are antiques.? Greatly appreciate any advice I can get.
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Thanks!
Jeff


 

Excellent idea.? I will dig out my probe and MSF 5000 Preselector tuning instructions today.? Thanks!


 

Hi Jeff,
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Once you get the flat top response curve with minimum loss, you ideally should check at your operating frequency, with a return loss bridge connected to the filter input with the receive end of the filter connected to a 50 ohm load, (to keep from detuning the duplexer notch,) then again with the receiver or RX pre-amp connected. Keep the level of the tracking generator to below -10 or -20 dBM so as not to overload the RX or pre-amp.?
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If you do not have a RLB, you could use an antenna bridge on your RX frequency, with the 50 ohm load, but not the RX input, as the antenna bridge output is most likely at too high a level for anything solid state to handle without detuning..
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John

On 03/14/2025 8:26 PM EDT Jeff Acree via groups.io <locustpointlight@...> wrote:
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Friends,
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I need to retune the subject preselector and was wondering if there are any procedures someone could share or point me to.? I have a HP8320B and a HP8935 to do the work with, but I could not find any procedures in either the Instruction manual or the service manual.? Perhaps I overlooked it.?
?
Thanks!
Jeff KC8VFN


 

That's basically what I do, but using an off-site weak signal.? After all the goal is to be able to hear the weakest of signals.? In doing it that way I've not experienced any shift in the duplexer notches.
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Burt, K6OQK
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VHF or UHF? I just inject a signal and tune for best Sinad sensitivity in the speaker..

Chris WB5ITT