Re: DB-420 bottom half 470-490 MHz cut antenna project.
In my testing the load was indeed going to be taking half the power. After all that is what the harness is supposed to do, divide power for both 8-bay halves to work properly. The purpose of using a 50 Ohm load was to sweep what I had so I knew what band it was on and that what is there is still in good electrical condition. It is a project or for whoever is interested in it.
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Rick w6re
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Re: DB-420 bottom half 470-490 MHz cut antenna project.
? Looking at an old DB420 here there is a molded triangular shaped splitter junction on the bottom section that heads off to the top section.
At that mid-point splice, the pointy part of the triangle feeds the top section and the leg that doesn't have a matching section attached to it feeds the bottom section. At the splice, the Z of each of those antenna halves' feeders is 50 ohms, and result of the two in parallel is 25 ohms.
The third port on that splice goes to the feedpoint via a long pigtail with a 35 ohm matching section at the tee. That Q section converts the 25 ohms of the two halves of the antenna in parallel up to 50 ohms.
If you were to open the "upper halve" at the tee, you would have 50 ohms instead of 25 ohms. 50 ohms followed by the 35 ohm Q section would yield 25 ohms, or a 2:1 VSWR.
The right way to use only the lower half of the DB420 harness would be to cut off the 50 ohm cable that feeds the lower four bays and use that cable as your new feedpoint. Or find a DB408 harness.
--- Jeff WN3A
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Re: DB-420 bottom half 470-490 MHz cut antenna project.
Looking at an old DB420 here there is a molded triangular shaped splitter junction on the bottom section that heads off to the top section. If you terminate the coax that went to the top section with a load it will eat up about half your power. I might consider cutting the coax leg off that went to the top section right at the triangular splitter and water proof it. That will leave an inch or so open stub of coax flapping in the breeze but shouldn't affect things much.?
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Re: DB-420 bottom half 470-490 MHz cut antenna project.
Joe,
? It is the bottom half of the antenna less mast, so yeah it has the harness and a female "N" connector for the top half to connect to. It includes the bottom half loops and clamps with stainless hardware as well all curled up in a box to save on shipping costs.?
?
Mike,
? As far as how do you deal with it, I don't know? I just screwed a 5 Watt 50 Ohm load on the end to sweep it for what band cut it was for besides the physical measurements of the loops themselves. As for how it was originally used, someone took the top half or it was separated in our warehouse or I would have had the whole thing together but I only ended up with a bottom half.
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Rick, w6re
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Re: Scom 7330 repeater controller software
I distinctly remember there was some difference between the two repeaters as to pinout. Like I said though, maybe they were close enough that it doesn't matter for ham applications.
Oh well...
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On 5/28/2025 6:30 PM, Ken Arck AH6LE via groups.io wrote: This is not correct.
Both the TKR 850 and NXR 1800 (and 1700 for that matter) have the exact same pinout for both RX & TX audio (RA/RD/TA/TD), as well as externa PTT in. COR & TOR are programmable as you say and can be assigned to the same pins as in the TKR series
Ken
At 02:58 PM 5/28/2025, you wrote:
First, the two controllers have different pinouts from each other. Next, the TKR 850 and the NXR 1800 use different pinouts from each other as well, although they are close, maybe close enough. But in each case, PTT and COS/TOS are programmable as to which pin is used.
So no, that cable will not work on a RC210. The Arcom end is different from the S-Com end.
At 01:34 PM 5/28/2025, you wrote:
Thanks Dave. I appreciate all the information. I'll take a look at it. And do you know or does anyone know if the Arcom RC 210 uses the same pin programming for the back of the Kenwood TKR 850 and NXR 1800?
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 28, 2025, at 3:19??€??PM, Dave WA1JHK <wa1jhk@...> wrote:
?????? Hi Chad,
does anyone have ... a cable from a Kenwood T K R eight fifty to the S com seven three three zero controller ?
This cable is available from a reputable vendor on eBay:
< itm/122562581175>
I have used his cables on previous projects.?? They all work well.
I'm looking for a copy of the programming software for that controller .
You can program the controller directly at its command line by entering the commands on the serial console as described in the manual:
<>
There is a quick start guide in Chapter 2.?? That will get your repeater going quickly.?? Instructions for using the serial console are in Chapter 8.?? There's a command table in the back of the manual.
GUI programming software is available from Sigrid Company.?? The software is the P7330:
<>
There's a downloadable demo of the P7330 software that you can install to give it a try with your reader.
Jed Barton, N1JBC, is on this email list.?? He has tried the P7330 software, but ran into an issue with the screen reader that he uses.
Maybe you use a different reader??? It's worth a try.
73,
?? Dave
--
Dave Maciorowski, WA1JHK
S-COM, LLC
JHK Labs, LLC
On 5/28/2025 1:17 PM, Chad Nelson wrote:
hi , does anyone have any of the following ? a cable from a Kenwood
T K R eight fifty to the S com seven three three zero controller ? and ,
I'm looking for a copy of the programming software for that controller .
weird question , is there any blind hams on this list who may have used
the programming software with a screen reader? And is that accessible? A
screen reader is a piece of software that reads text on the screen out
loud so someone who can't see the screen can hear it and interact with
programs and a computer.
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
<>Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
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President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
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Re: Scom 7330 repeater controller software
This is not correct. Both the TKR 850 and NXR 1800 (and 1700 for that matter) have the exact same pinout for both RX & TX audio (RA/RD/TA/TD), as well as externa PTT in. COR & TOR are programmable as you say and can be assigned to the same pins as in the TKR series Ken At 02:58 PM 5/28/2025, you wrote: First, the two controllers have different pinouts from each other. Next, the TKR 850 and the NXR 1800 use different pinouts from each other as well, although they are close, maybe close enough. But in each case, PTT and COS/TOS are programmable as to which pin is used.
So no, that cable will not work on a RC210. The Arcom end is different from the S-Com end.
At 01:34 PM 5/28/2025, you wrote:
Thanks Dave. I appreciate all the information. I'll take a look at it. And do you know or does anyone know if the Arcom RC 210 uses the same pin programming for the back of the Kenwood TKR 850 and NXR 1800?
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 28, 2025, at 3:19??€??PM, Dave WA1JHK <wa1jhk@...> wrote:
?????? Hi Chad,
does anyone have ... a cable from a Kenwood T K R eight fifty to the S com seven three three zero controller ?
This cable is available from a reputable vendor on eBay:
< itm/122562581175>
I have used his cables on previous projects.? They all work well.
I'm looking for a copy of the programming software for that controller . You can program the controller directly at its command line by entering the commands on the serial console as described in the manual:
<>
There is a quick start guide in Chapter 2.? That will get your repeater going quickly.? Instructions for using the serial console are in Chapter 8.? There's a command table in the back of the manual.
GUI programming software is available from Sigrid Company.? The software is the P7330:
<>
There's a downloadable demo of the P7330 software that you can install to give it a try with your reader.
Jed Barton, N1JBC, is on this email list.? He has tried the P7330 software, but ran into an issue with the screen reader that he uses.
Maybe you use a different reader?? It's worth a try.
73,
? Dave
--
Dave Maciorowski, WA1JHK
S-COM, LLC
JHK Labs, LLC
On 5/28/2025 1:17 PM, Chad Nelson wrote:
hi , does anyone have any of the following ? a cable from a Kenwood
T K R eight fifty to the S com seven three three zero controller ? and ,
I'm looking for a copy of the programming software for that controller .
weird question , is there any blind hams on this list who may have used
the programming software with a screen reader? And is that accessible? A
screen reader is a piece of software that reads text on the screen out
loud so someone who can't see the screen can hear it and interact with
programs and a computer.
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
<>Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ President and CTO - Arcom Controllers Makers of repeater controllers and accessories Phone: (503) 678 6182 Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave. We offer complete turn-key repeater packages! "We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!" []
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Re: Scom 7330 repeater controller software
First, the two controllers have different pinouts from each other. Next, the TKR 850 and the NXR 1800 use different pinouts from each other as well, although they are close, maybe close enough. But in each case, PTT and COS/TOS are programmable as to which pin is used.
So no, that cable will not work on a RC210. The Arcom end is different from the S-Com end.
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At 01:34 PM 5/28/2025, you wrote:
Thanks Dave. I appreciate all the information. I'll take a look at it. And do you know or does anyone know if the Arcom RC 210 uses the same pin programming for the back of the Kenwood TKR 850 and NXR 1800?
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 28, 2025, at 3:19?€?PM, Dave WA1JHK <wa1jhk@...> wrote:
??? Hi Chad,
does anyone have ... a cable from a Kenwood T K R eight fifty to the S com seven three three zero controller ?
This cable is available from a reputable vendor on eBay:
< itm/122562581175>
I have used his cables on previous projects.? They all work well.
I'm looking for a copy of the programming software for that controller .
You can program the controller directly at its command line by entering the commands on the serial console as described in the manual:
<>
There is a quick start guide in Chapter 2.? That will get your repeater going quickly.? Instructions for using the serial console are in Chapter 8.? There's a command table in the back of the manual.
GUI programming software is available from Sigrid Company.? The software is the P7330:
<>
There's a downloadable demo of the P7330 software that you can install to give it a try with your reader.
Jed Barton, N1JBC, is on this email list.? He has tried the P7330 software, but ran into an issue with the screen reader that he uses. Maybe you use a different reader?? It's worth a try.
73,
? Dave
--
Dave Maciorowski, WA1JHK
S-COM, LLC
JHK Labs, LLC
On 5/28/2025 1:17 PM, Chad Nelson wrote:
hi , does anyone have any of the following ? a cable from a Kenwood
T K R eight fifty to the S com seven three three zero controller ? and ,
I'm looking for a copy of the programming software for that controller .
weird question , is there any blind hams on this list who may have used
the programming software with a screen reader? And is that accessible? A
screen reader is a piece of software that reads text on the screen out
loud so someone who can't see the screen can hear it and interact with
programs and a computer.
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
<>Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
[]
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Re: Scom 7330 repeater controller software
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Ken Arck AH6LE via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2025 4:33 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] Scom 7330 repeater controller software? Yes
At 01:34 PM 5/28/2025, you wrote:
Thanks Dave. I appreciate all the information. I'll take a look at it. And do you know or does anyone know if the Arcom RC 210 uses the same pin programming for the back of the Kenwood TKR 850 and NXR 1800?
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 28, 2025, at 3:19?€?PM, Dave WA1JHK <wa1jhk@...> wrote:
??? Hi Chad,
> does anyone have ... a cable from a Kenwood T K R eight fifty to the S com seven three three zero controller ?
This cable is available from a reputable vendor on eBay:
I have used his cables on previous projects.? They all work well.
> I'm looking for a copy of the programming software for that controller .
You can program the controller directly at its command line by entering the commands on the serial console as described in the manual:
There is a quick start guide in Chapter 2.? That will get your repeater going quickly.? Instructions for using the serial console are in Chapter 8.? There's a command table in the back of the manual.
GUI programming software is available from Sigrid Company.? The software is the P7330:
There's a downloadable demo of the P7330 software that you can install to give it a try with your reader.
Jed Barton, N1JBC, is on this email list.? He has tried the P7330 software, but ran into an issue with the screen reader that he uses.? Maybe you use a different reader?? It's worth a try.
73,
? Dave
--
Dave Maciorowski, WA1JHK
S-COM, LLC
JHK Labs, LLC
On 5/28/2025 1:17 PM, Chad Nelson wrote:
? hi , does anyone have any of the following ? a cable from a Kenwood T K R eight fifty to the S com seven three three zero controller ? and , I'm looking for a copy of the programming software for that controller . weird question , is there any blind hams on this list who may have used the programming software with a screen reader? And is that accessible? A screen reader is a piece of software that reads text on the screen out loud so someone who can't see the screen can hear it and interact with programs and a computer. Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979 Janesville Wisconsin 608-754-8671 Send from my spectrum iPhone 16. ?
? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
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Re: Scom 7330 repeater controller software
Yes
At 01:34 PM 5/28/2025, you wrote:
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Thanks Dave. I appreciate all
the information. I'll take a look at it. And do you know or does anyone
know if the Arcom RC 210 uses the same pin programming for the back of
the Kenwood TKR 850 and NXR 1800?
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 28, 2025, at 3:19?€?PM,
Dave WA1JHK <wa1jhk@...> wrote:
??? Hi Chad,
> does anyone have ... a cable from a Kenwood T K R eight fifty to the
S com seven three three zero controller ?
This cable is available from a reputable vendor on eBay:
I have used his cables on previous projects.? They all work
well.
> I'm looking for a copy of the programming software for that
controller .
You can program the controller directly at its command line by entering
the commands on the serial console as described in the manual:
There is a quick start guide in Chapter 2.? That will get your
repeater going quickly.? Instructions for using the serial console
are in Chapter 8.? There's a command table in the back of the
manual.
GUI programming software is available from Sigrid Company.? The
software is the P7330:
There's a downloadable demo of the P7330 software that you can install to
give it a try with your reader.
Jed Barton, N1JBC, is on this email list.? He has tried the P7330
software, but ran into an issue with the screen reader that he
uses.? Maybe you use a different reader?? It's worth a
try.
73,
? Dave
--
Dave Maciorowski, WA1JHK
S-COM, LLC
JHK Labs, LLC
On 5/28/2025 1:17 PM, Chad Nelson wrote:
hi , does anyone have any of the following ? a cable from a Kenwood
T K R eight fifty to the S com seven three three zero controller ? and ,
I'm looking for a copy of the programming software for that controller .
weird question , is there any blind hams on this list who may have used
the programming software with a screen reader? And is that accessible? A
screen reader is a piece of software that reads text on the screen out
loud so someone who can't see the screen can hear it and interact with
programs and a computer.
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
President and CTO - Arcom Controllers
Makers of repeater controllers and accessories
Phone: (503) 678 6182
Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave.
We offer complete turn-key repeater packages!
"We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!"
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Re: Scom 7330 repeater controller software
Thanks Dave. I appreciate all the information. I'll take a look at it. And do you know or does anyone know if the Arcom RC 210 uses the same pin programming for the back of the Kenwood TKR 850 and NXR 1800? Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979 Janesville Wisconsin 608-754-8671 Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
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On May 28, 2025, at 3:19?PM, Dave WA1JHK <wa1jhk@...> wrote:
?
Hi Chad,
> does anyone have ... a cable from a Kenwood T K R eight fifty
to the S com seven three three zero controller ?
This cable is available from a reputable vendor on eBay:
I have used his cables on previous projects.? They all work well.
> I'm looking for a copy of the programming software for that
controller .
You can program the controller directly at its command line by
entering the commands on the serial console as described in the
manual:
There is a quick start guide in Chapter 2.? That will get your
repeater going quickly.? Instructions for using the serial console
are in Chapter 8.? There's a command table in the back of the
manual.
GUI programming software is available from Sigrid Company.? The
software is the P7330:
There's a downloadable demo of the P7330 software that you can
install to give it a try with your reader.
Jed Barton, N1JBC, is on this email list.? He has tried the P7330
software, but ran into an issue with the screen reader that he
uses.? Maybe you use a different reader?? It's worth a try.
73,
? Dave
--
Dave Maciorowski, WA1JHK
S-COM, LLC
JHK Labs, LLC
On 5/28/2025 1:17 PM, Chad Nelson
wrote:
hi , does anyone have any of the following ? a cable from a Kenwood T K R eight fifty to the S com seven three three zero controller ? and , I'm looking for a copy of the programming software for that controller . weird question , is there any blind hams on this list who may have used the programming software with a screen reader? And is that accessible? A screen reader is a piece of software that reads text on the screen out loud so someone who can't see the screen can hear it and interact with programs and a computer.
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
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Re: DB-420 bottom half 470-490 MHz cut antenna project.
Is it the bottom half that has the splitter and jumper to the top section? If so how do you deal with that when using the bottom as a stand alone antenna??
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Re: DB-420 bottom half 470-490 MHz cut antenna project.
I may be interested but I am not sure what you are sending? The top half or the bottom half of the 420, and with the mast or just the harness and loops? Please let me know.
Joe
Hello RB members,
? ?I have a potential project that I thought I would list for those of you who like things like this.
?
I have the bottom half of a Decibel DB-420 16-bay antenna array here that is cut for the 470-490MHz band according to the dipole loop sizes. They are a good 1.5-2" shorter than the 450-470MHz cut versions I have used in the past. The harness is in great shape and there is no damage to the hardware. Basically it is laid out like a DB-408 with the connector at the top of the harness to feed another DB-408 making up the full DB-420 16-bay array. I will ship it less the bottom half of the mast to anyone needing it or interested in a project for $150 + actual shipping to you.
?
Maybe it can work on GMRS frequencies since they are quite broad banded, maybe the harness can be terminated at the mid-point connector and used as is, maybe someone can modify the harness and use it as is. Basically it is a project or for someone with a damaged bottom half of your DB-420 higher cut that needs the parts.
?
I don't see many parts for these come up anywhere so I figured list for the RB group.
?
Thanks for looking,
? Rick w6re
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You have it wrong.
1. Drop your Baofeng in a septic tank.
2. Never look back.
3. Forget all the other things listed here.
Mick - W7CAT
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Macionski via groups.io" To: [email protected]Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2025 11:21:25 AM Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] whelen siren Time for levity-
1. Place your baofeng on the? repeater frequency.
2. in set menu of the baofeng.. set VOX on. set TX delay if baofeng? so optioned. 3. in set menu of the baofeng.. set Talk out Timer to 5 seconds.
4. Set the Baofeng near a siren to where when the siren goes off:
a. the VOX activates.
b. the Baofeng transmits the siren for 5 seconds.
5. Use duct tape, as necessary
6. be sure to waterproof the charger and baofeng accordingly.
7. if the baofeng is some distance from the siren..
a. roll some tin and make a megaphone to be duct taped over the microphone. b. point it towards the siren.
Approved by Red Green VE3RED
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Re: Scom 7330 repeater controller software
Hi Chad,
> does anyone have ... a cable from a Kenwood T K R eight fifty
to the S com seven three three zero controller ?
This cable is available from a reputable vendor on eBay:
I have used his cables on previous projects.? They all work well.
> I'm looking for a copy of the programming software for that
controller .
You can program the controller directly at its command line by
entering the commands on the serial console as described in the
manual:
There is a quick start guide in Chapter 2.? That will get your
repeater going quickly.? Instructions for using the serial console
are in Chapter 8.? There's a command table in the back of the
manual.
GUI programming software is available from Sigrid Company.? The
software is the P7330:
There's a downloadable demo of the P7330 software that you can
install to give it a try with your reader.
Jed Barton, N1JBC, is on this email list.? He has tried the P7330
software, but ran into an issue with the screen reader that he
uses.? Maybe you use a different reader?? It's worth a try.
73,
? Dave
--
Dave Maciorowski, WA1JHK
S-COM, LLC
JHK Labs, LLC
On 5/28/2025 1:17 PM, Chad Nelson
wrote:
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hi , does anyone have any of the following ? a cable from a Kenwood T K R eight fifty to the S com seven three three zero controller ? and , I'm looking for a copy of the programming software for that controller . weird question , is there any blind hams on this list who may have used the programming software with a screen reader? And is that accessible? A screen reader is a piece of software that reads text on the screen out loud so someone who can't see the screen can hear it and interact with programs and a computer.
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
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Scom 7330 repeater controller software
hi , does anyone have any of the following ? a cable from a Kenwood T K R eight fifty to the S com seven three three zero controller ? and , I'm looking for a copy of the programming software for that controller . weird question , is there any blind hams on this list who may have used the programming software with a screen reader? And is that accessible? A screen reader is a piece of software that reads text on the screen out loud so someone who can't see the screen can hear it and interact with programs and a computer.
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
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Re: DB-420 bottom half 470-490 MHz cut antenna project.
Still available. All boxed up ready to ship.
?
w6re
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Oops.. .it's an 820
Thanks for catching that?
I need more coffee ??
How did you program in 462 range? It is a vhf repeater. On May 28, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Chris Boone WB5ITT via <setxtelecom=[email protected]> wrote:
? Asking $300 obo + shipping...programmed in 462 range
Chris WB5ITT?
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Re: TKR-850-1 440-470MHz v.1 repeater for sale
Forgot to mention the repeater comes with a 12v. AC power supply installed in the other half of the cabinet that will be included in the sale. It is the 17A power supply with thermal fan from a Motorola GR1225 that comes built into the bottom of the repeater. Fits well and has two Kenwood style power connectors, one plugged into the repeater to run it, the other is an accessory for other DC 12v. needs. There is a switch to switch from continuous fan or thermal which it is set to now. All included with this TKR-850 repeater sale.
?
Thanks for reading!
?
w6re
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How did you program in 462 range? It is a vhf repeater.
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On May 28, 2025, at 2:37?PM, Chris Boone WB5ITT via groups.io <setxtelecom@...> wrote:
? Asking $300 obo + shipping...programmed in 462 range
Chris WB5ITT?
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Asking $300 obo + shipping...programmed in 462 range
Chris WB5ITT?
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Ken Arck AH6LE
Dave WA1JHK
Chris Boone WB5ITT
Wayne Childers