Re: Using HF rig or 6M repeaters
For 10 and 6 FM I use commercial Motorola Maxtrac/Radius, GE RANGR, GE Orions, Vertex FTL1011, Modified WULFSBERG RT30 and Motorola CDM1250's and I never receive a poor audio complaint for any of these commercial models as would be expected.
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For 6/10 commercial FM Handhelds I use GE PE's, Maxon MGP300's, Motorola P200/MT1000 and recently my favorite Motorola HT is the HT1250 on 6 FM.
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In the ham made models I use a Kenwood TS690S a Yaesu FT100D and an Elecraft K3S and for ham made Ht's i use a Yaesu VX-5R and an Azden AZ61 and all of these work very well on 6 and 10 FM repeaters and simplex without any complaints and no mods required.
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The only complaint that I had was with the Kenwood TS690s and this was 32 years ago when I enabled the speech processor which doubles the audio in FM mode to where it is over driven so whenever using any the Kenwood ham models, Ts690S/TS450S do not turn the speech processor on, I do not see this? audio over drive issue with the Yaesu ham models? thasat I have used if the processor is on or off only with the above mentioned Kenwoods.
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After using all of these mobile and handheld radios on, Australian, Swiss,? Canadian, New York, Texas, North Carolina, Washington, Oregon, California and Arizona 6 and 10 meter VHF Low band repeaters and numerous simplex frequencies I have never had an audio complaint on any of these? radios except for that one time with the Kenwood TS690S.
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Re: RC-210 and SLR-8000 PL Inhibit
I would have used a different term other than ignorant.
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On 2025-05-23 00:32, Teton Amateur Radio Repeater Association (TARRA) wrote: Can't argue with the ignorant!
Mick - W7CAT
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From: "Tom Cole"
To: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2025 09:48:35 PM
Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] RC-210 and SLR-8000 PL Inhibit
So, you are going to monitor the frequency 24/7 and testify that something didn¡¯t key the repeater to trigger the ID? Of course you aren¡¯t. The FCC requires we ID every 10 minutes when the repeater is in use. It is in use from 0600 until 2359. ?The only way the FCC would even check on when a repeater IDs is if a sad ham complains. Don¡¯t be that Sad Ham.
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Re: RC-210 and SLR-8000 PL Inhibit
On May 23, 2025, at 7:45?AM, Jeff DePolo WN3A via groups.io <jd0@...> wrote:
So, you're admitting that what you're doing is wrong, but as long as nobody complains then it's OK? Not at all. Transmitting the repeater ID every 10 minutes is not only legal, but required.
The FCC requires we ID every 10 minutes when the repeater is in use. It is in use from 0600 until 2359. If you have continuous activity (USER activity) for 18 hours straight my hat is off to you, God Bless, keep doing what you're doing. If you're saying that the repeater is ENABLED for 18 hours, only during and following a period of activity should the repeater ID every 10 minutes.
Your interpretation.
"If the FCC doesn't know about it then I can get away with it." Again, you're demonstrating that you know that it's not proper yet you're doing it anyway.
Again, your interpretation.
What is the reason for ID'ing every 10 minutes? To pollute the channel with more RF? To remind everybody what the repeater's callsign is? What exactly is the purpose?
The purpose is that the FCC states we must ID every ten minutes.
Likewise, what is the purpose of 'grandfather clock' ID's? Doesn't everybody have a watch, a cell phone, a clock, or some other timekeeping device with or near them at all times already? More RF pollution, more FCC violations.
Again, your interpretation. Why are you so concerned about your supposed ¡°RF pollution¡±?
Going back to the original discussion regarding DMR beaconing, that, too, has already been "addressed" by the FCC in several instances in my area. The relevant rule section is 97.203(d):
(d) A beacon may be automatically controlled while it is transmitting on the 28.20©\28.30 MHz, 50.06©\
50.08 MHz, 144.275©\144.300 MHz, 222.05©\222.06 MHz or 432.300©\432.400 MHz segments, or on the 33
cm and shorter wavelength bands.
Transmitting your ID is not the same as beaconing. Get over yourself Jeff. When YOU become head of the FCC, then you get to dictate to others. Until then, go pound sand.
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Re: Using HF rig or 6M repeaters
Totally agree with Jeff WN3A recommendations.?? I own several radios that operate on 6M, Kenwood TS-690, TS-2000, Yaesu FT-991A, IC-7300.? They all provide good audio when audio enhancements are set with moderation or in the case of the FT-991A turned-off. This has been my experience at WA3GIN.
Also, it seems 6m enthusiastic?operators enjoy driving high power amplifiers and oftentimes forget those big amps aren't usually needed for repeater use!
73 Dave wa3gin
? - What do they need to pay attention to with their rigs?
? A lot of HF+6 radios will retain the voice processor settings even when switched to FM mode, so make sure they turn off the mic processor, and after doing so, set the mic gain to a reasonable level. ? Mics, headsets, etc. tailored for ¡°DX¡± or contesting SSB audio typically have a frequency response that sounds thin (a lot of low-end rolloff) or nasally (midrange peaking) on FM. ? Some HF radios don¡¯t have ¡°true FM¡± modulators but rather phase modulators.? Some don¡¯t sound very good regardless of what mic is used, whether that¡¯s due to the modulator or the AF circuits preceding it. ? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????? --- Jeff ?
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Re: RC-210 and SLR-8000 PL Inhibit
So, you are going to monitor the frequency 24/7 and testify that something didn¡¯t key the repeater to trigger the ID? So, you're admitting that what you're doing is wrong, but as long as nobody complains then it's OK? The FCC requires we ID every 10 minutes when the repeater is in use. It is in use from 0600 until 2359. If you have continuous activity (USER activity) for 18 hours straight my hat is off to you, God Bless, keep doing what you're doing. If you're saying that the repeater is ENABLED for 18 hours, only during and following a period of activity should the repeater ID every 10 minutes. The only way the FCC would even check on when a repeater IDs is if a sad ham complains. "If the FCC doesn't know about it then I can get away with it." Again, you're demonstrating that you know that it's not proper yet you're doing it anyway. What is the reason for ID'ing every 10 minutes? To pollute the channel with more RF? To remind everybody what the repeater's callsign is? What exactly is the purpose? Likewise, what is the purpose of 'grandfather clock' ID's? Doesn't everybody have a watch, a cell phone, a clock, or some other timekeeping device with or near them at all times already? More RF pollution, more FCC violations. Going back to the original discussion regarding DMR beaconing, that, too, has already been "addressed" by the FCC in several instances in my area. The relevant rule section is 97.203(d): (d) A beacon may be automatically controlled while it is transmitting on the 28.20©\28.30 MHz, 50.06©\ 50.08 MHz, 144.275©\144.300 MHz, 222.05©\222.06 MHz or 432.300©\432.400 MHz segments, or on the 33 cm and shorter wavelength bands. Nobody has repeaters in any of those segments because none of those segments are eligible for repeater operation per 97.205(b). --- Jeff WN3A
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Re: Using HF rig or 6M repeaters
? - What do they need to pay attention to with their rigs?
? A lot of HF+6 radios will retain the voice processor settings even when switched to FM mode, so make sure they turn off the mic processor, and after doing so, set the mic gain to a reasonable level. ? Mics, headsets, etc. tailored for ¡°DX¡± or contesting SSB audio typically have a frequency response that sounds thin (a lot of low-end rolloff) or nasally (midrange peaking) on FM. ? Some HF radios don¡¯t have ¡°true FM¡± modulators but rather phase modulators.? Some don¡¯t sound very good regardless of what mic is used, whether that¡¯s due to the modulator or the AF circuits preceding it. ? ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????????? --- Jeff ?
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Re: RC-210 and SLR-8000 PL Inhibit
Can't argue with the ignorant!
Mick - W7CAT
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Cole" To: [email protected]Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2025 09:48:35 PM Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] RC-210 and SLR-8000 PL Inhibit So, you are going to monitor the frequency 24/7 and testify that something didn¡¯t key the repeater to trigger the ID? Of course you aren¡¯t. The FCC requires we ID every 10 minutes when the repeater is in use. It is in use from 0600 until 2359. ?The only way the FCC would even check on when a repeater IDs is if a sad ham complains. Don¡¯t be that Sad Ham.
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Re: RC-210 and SLR-8000 PL Inhibit
So, you are going to monitor the frequency 24/7 and testify that something didn¡¯t key the repeater to trigger the ID? Of course you aren¡¯t. The FCC requires we ID every 10 minutes when the repeater is in use. It is in use from 0600 until 2359. ?The only way the FCC would even check on when a repeater IDs is if a sad ham complains. Don¡¯t be that Sad Ham.?
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Re: RC-210 and SLR-8000 PL Inhibit
I'm going to jump in between. Have you ever heard of "Part 97"? You may want to read through it, especially the parts related to repeater operations. I don't have a problem and I have known of the FCC having a problem with an hourly ID. There are a lot of them and I don't think there are enough jail cells to lock up all the repeater owners who have an ID that runs once an hour. Last I knew, I think Riley went on vacation or something. IDing every 10 minutes NO. It's one thing when the repeater is actually in use but NOT when it is idle. You are asking for trouble.
In the mean while, what do you find using a voltmeter to see what is actually going on??? This is about like saying "my repeater isn't working can you fix it for me". Do some troubleshooting and come on here with some useful information we can work with.
Mick - W7CAT
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Sullivan via groups.io" To: [email protected]Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2025 08:55:33 PM Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] RC-210 and SLR-8000 PL Inhibit On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 10:47 PM, Chris Boone WB5ITT wrote:
Uhhh beacon IDing, etc is illegal under part97..several repeaters have
gotten emails from Riley about it.
As to the SLR, why did you do that? The SLR drops tone with the tx
so what you did was something that was totally useless and unneeded. I don't
understand why you did all that with the gpio.
Chris WB5ITT
On Thu, May 22, 2025, 9:42?PM Mike Sullivan via groups.io (
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Our club's VXR7000 died, so we upgraded to a loaned SLR-8000 (good
to have friends in low places) to get us back on the air. Luckily
everything came on as programmed and I couldn't have done it better myself if I had
planned it.. lol
I do have one issue though. The controller is programmed to not
send PL during ID, so that someone can turn on PL decode and leave their
radio up without hearing the ID and grandfather clock on the hour. We used
a TS64 before to decode/encode PL, but we took it out of the chain and
are going direct to the SLR. Everything is working fine except for that one
feature. I wired up GPIO9 (pin 6) to Pin 1 (CTCSS Control) and enabled TX PL
Inhibit on GPIO9, but it seems like with it assigned, it permanently
inhibits PL, even if I flip from High to Low functionality on the
repeater. Is there something I'm missing or is my way of thinking not
possible?
Also, those that have used the SLR, what should you have the Audio
Type set as? Wanted to make sure I have it correct.
Mike
Illegal? First I've heard that one.. we have done it for several
years and never had an issue. Not to mention every repeater around us voice ID's every 10 minutes as well, and the FCC requires ID when in use, so why not just have it ID anyways? So please enlighten me, and go ahead and rat us out if you want. Not like the FCC gives a damn about ham anyways.. as evident by the nighty garble I hear on 7.200.
As for the why? Like I said above, to retain the functionality we did
before. I configured it so that tone would only pass on voice announcements and radio traffic, not ID's. As I said above.. that way someone can turn PL Decode on and not hear the ID (which we mainly use as a heartbeat to say "hey, the repeater is on") and keep their radio open to hear a calling station. Since we are no longer using the TS64 I figured that some way to control transmit PL would be needed since we are going straight from controller to the repeater. I'm not familiar with how the SLR8K works in that regard, so being less of a dick would be absolutely fantastic.
No wonder this hobby has turned into a grouch fest.
Mike
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Re: Using HF rig or 6M repeaters
Depending on the brand/model of HF rig, some have the audio processing active on FM mode and some do not. Also, a few of the models are 2.5 KHz deviation, not 5 KHz. My Icom IC-7000 has three filter settings active in FM that result in 5 KHz, 4 KHz and 2.5 KHz deviation, plus adjustment to respective CTCSS levels.?
tnx Mike / K5JR? Alpharetta GA
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On May 22, 2025, at 10:15?PM, KB9LFZ via groups.io <silver@...> wrote: ? Turn off the processor.
Some older radios have one mic gain as a knob adjustment. The level for SSB is different than FM.
A cheap SDR watching the audio spectrum and zoom in on RF spectrum can assist getting FM deviation to 3KHz at 1KHz tone
Benjamin, KB9LFZ?
I have some potential users of my 6M FM
repeater that want to use their HF rigs for that purpose.
Unfortunately most that have tried have terrible audio - over
driven and distorted. What do they need to pay attention to with
their rigs? FWIW, I do not have an HF radio because I have zero
interest, so I'm no help to them.
Chuck
WB2EDV
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Re: RC-210 and SLR-8000 PL Inhibit
Every single one of our repeaters ID either by voice, or by CW every 10 minutes except from midnight until 0600. ?On our repeaters that utilize CTCSS, I do turn it off during the ID because the requirement is that we send it, not that everyone has to hear it.?
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On May 22, 2025, at 9:55?PM, Mike Sullivan via groups.io <Kn4imu@...> wrote:
? On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 10:47 PM, Chris Boone WB5ITT wrote:
Uhhh beacon IDing, etc is illegal under part97..several repeaters have gotten emails from Riley about it.
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As to the SLR, why did you do that? The SLR drops tone with the tx so what you did was something that was totally useless and unneeded. I don't understand why you did all that with the gpio.
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Chris WB5ITT?
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Our club's VXR7000 died, so we upgraded to a loaned SLR-8000 (good to have friends in low places) to get us back on the air. Luckily everything came on as programmed and I couldn't have done it better myself if I had planned it.. lol
I do have one issue though. The controller is programmed to not send PL during ID, so that someone can turn on PL decode and leave their radio up without hearing the ID and grandfather clock on the hour. We used a TS64 before to decode/encode PL, but we took it out of the chain and are going direct to the SLR. Everything is working fine except for that one feature. I wired up GPIO9 (pin 6) to Pin 1 (CTCSS Control) and enabled TX PL Inhibit on GPIO9, but it seems like with it assigned, it permanently inhibits PL, even if I flip from High to Low functionality on the repeater. Is there something I'm missing or is my way of thinking not possible?
Also, those that have used the SLR, what should you have the Audio Type set as? Wanted to make sure I have it correct.
Mike
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Illegal? First I've heard that one.. we have done it for several years and never had an issue. Not to mention every repeater around us voice ID's every 10 minutes as well, and the FCC requires ID when in use, so why not just have it ID anyways? So please enlighten me, and go ahead and rat us out if you want. Not like the FCC gives a damn about ham anyways.. as evident by the nighty garble I hear on 7.200. As for the why? Like I said above, to retain the functionality we did before. I configured it so that tone would only pass on voice announcements and radio traffic, not ID's. As I said above.. that way someone can turn PL Decode on and not hear the ID (which we mainly use as a heartbeat to say "hey, the repeater is on") and keep their radio open to hear a calling station. Since we are no longer using the TS64 I figured that some way to control transmit PL would be needed since we are going straight from controller to the repeater. I'm not familiar with how the SLR8K works in that regard, so being less of a dick would be absolutely fantastic. No wonder this hobby has turned into a grouch fest. Mike
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Re: RC-210 and SLR-8000 PL Inhibit
On Thu, May 22, 2025 at 10:47 PM, Chris Boone WB5ITT wrote:
Uhhh beacon IDing, etc is illegal under part97..several repeaters have gotten emails from Riley about it.
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As to the SLR, why did you do that? The SLR drops tone with the tx so what you did was something that was totally useless and unneeded. I don't understand why you did all that with the gpio.
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Chris WB5ITT?
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Our club's VXR7000 died, so we upgraded to a loaned SLR-8000 (good to have friends in low places) to get us back on the air. Luckily everything came on as programmed and I couldn't have done it better myself if I had planned it.. lol
I do have one issue though. The controller is programmed to not send PL during ID, so that someone can turn on PL decode and leave their radio up without hearing the ID and grandfather clock on the hour. We used a TS64 before to decode/encode PL, but we took it out of the chain and are going direct to the SLR. Everything is working fine except for that one feature. I wired up GPIO9 (pin 6) to Pin 1 (CTCSS Control) and enabled TX PL Inhibit on GPIO9, but it seems like with it assigned, it permanently inhibits PL, even if I flip from High to Low functionality on the repeater. Is there something I'm missing or is my way of thinking not possible?
Also, those that have used the SLR, what should you have the Audio Type set as? Wanted to make sure I have it correct.
Mike
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Illegal? First I've heard that one.. we have done it for several years and never had an issue. Not to mention every repeater around us voice ID's every 10 minutes as well, and the FCC requires ID when in use, so why not just have it ID anyways? So please enlighten me, and go ahead and rat us out if you want. Not like the FCC gives a damn about ham anyways.. as evident by the nighty garble I hear on 7.200. As for the why? Like I said above, to retain the functionality we did before. I configured it so that tone would only pass on voice announcements and radio traffic, not ID's. As I said above.. that way someone can turn PL Decode on and not hear the ID (which we mainly use as a heartbeat to say "hey, the repeater is on") and keep their radio open to hear a calling station. Since we are no longer using the TS64 I figured that some way to control transmit PL would be needed since we are going straight from controller to the repeater. I'm not familiar with how the SLR8K works in that regard, so being less of a dick would be absolutely fantastic. No wonder this hobby has turned into a grouch fest. Mike
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Re: DB-224-E antenna sources?
On Wed, May 21, 2025 at 11:27 AM, W?SVH wrote:
If your near Kentucky, there is one listed on Fleabay.
I'd be concerned buying an antenna from someone that can't even keep their fingers out of the photo. And there's only one John I know of in the Elizabethtown area that does anything radio... I'll leave it at that.
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Re: RC-210 and SLR-8000 PL Inhibit
Uhhh beacon IDing, etc is illegal under part97..several repeaters have gotten emails from Riley about it.
As to the SLR, why did you do that? The SLR drops tone with the tx so what you did was something that was totally useless and unneeded. I don't understand why you did all that with the gpio.
Chris WB5ITT?
Our club's VXR7000 died, so we upgraded to a loaned SLR-8000 (good to have friends in low places) to get us back on the air. Luckily everything came on as programmed and I couldn't have done it better myself if I had planned it.. lol
I do have one issue though. The controller is programmed to not send PL during ID, so that someone can turn on PL decode and leave their radio up without hearing the ID and grandfather clock on the hour. We used a TS64 before to decode/encode PL, but we took it out of the chain and are going direct to the SLR. Everything is working fine except for that one feature. I wired up GPIO9 (pin 6) to Pin 1 (CTCSS Control) and enabled TX PL Inhibit on GPIO9, but it seems like with it assigned, it permanently inhibits PL, even if I flip from High to Low functionality on the repeater. Is there something I'm missing or is my way of thinking not possible?
Also, those that have used the SLR, what should you have the Audio Type set as? Wanted to make sure I have it correct.
Mike
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RC-210 and SLR-8000 PL Inhibit
Our club's VXR7000 died, so we upgraded to a loaned SLR-8000 (good to have friends in low places) to get us back on the air. Luckily everything came on as programmed and I couldn't have done it better myself if I had planned it.. lol
I do have one issue though. The controller is programmed to not send PL during ID, so that someone can turn on PL decode and leave their radio up without hearing the ID and grandfather clock on the hour. We used a TS64 before to decode/encode PL, but we took it out of the chain and are going direct to the SLR. Everything is working fine except for that one feature. I wired up GPIO9 (pin 6) to Pin 1 (CTCSS Control) and enabled TX PL Inhibit on GPIO9, but it seems like with it assigned, it permanently inhibits PL, even if I flip from High to Low functionality on the repeater. Is there something I'm missing or is my way of thinking not possible?
Also, those that have used the SLR, what should you have the Audio Type set as? Wanted to make sure I have it correct.
Mike
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Re: Using HF rig or 6M repeaters
Turn off the processor.
Some older radios have one mic gain as a knob adjustment. The level for SSB is different than FM.
A cheap SDR watching the audio spectrum and zoom in on RF spectrum can assist getting FM deviation to 3KHz at 1KHz tone
Benjamin, KB9LFZ?
I have some potential users of my 6M FM
repeater that want to use their HF rigs for that purpose.
Unfortunately most that have tried have terrible audio - over
driven and distorted. What do they need to pay attention to with
their rigs? FWIW, I do not have an HF radio because I have zero
interest, so I'm no help to them.
Chuck
WB2EDV
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Re: Using HF rig or 6M repeaters
Probably haven't readjusted the mic gain from 7200 ??
I'll let myself out now thank you
I have some potential users of my 6M FM
repeater that want to use their HF rigs for that purpose.
Unfortunately most that have tried have terrible audio - over
driven and distorted. What do they need to pay attention to with
their rigs? FWIW, I do not have an HF radio because I have zero
interest, so I'm no help to them.
Chuck
WB2EDV
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Using HF rig or 6M repeaters
I have some potential users of my 6M FM
repeater that want to use their HF rigs for that purpose.
Unfortunately most that have tried have terrible audio - over
driven and distorted. What do they need to pay attention to with
their rigs? FWIW, I do not have an HF radio because I have zero
interest, so I'm no help to them.
Chuck
WB2EDV
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They should be using the FTDI chipset - drivers for most/all OS are here:
If for some reason Prolific - then here, not really drivers but configuration data blobs for Windows: ?
A little bit of information folks ought to be aware of relative to USB serial port implementations, vs the original 8250/19650 UAR/Ts and RS-232 built into some PC chipsets: ?
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There is a lot of software that will run in "Compatibility Mode. Always worth a try.
Mick - W7CAT
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gervais Fillion via groups.io" To: " [email protected]" Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2025 06:35:08 PM Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] RT systems drivers they are rare these days but they exist.
maybe someone will hep yu off list!
After XP for me that was the Best,w7 was not bad.
many programm still run on XP but not on the recent Windows.
All my TNC,radios are programmed with my old XP
Gef
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De : [email protected] de la part de Chad Nelson
Envoy¨¦ : 22 mai 2025 16:51
? : [email protected]
Objet : Re: [repeater-builder] RT systems drivers
Hi, I don't actually have a copy of that.
Chad Nelson WI9HF/WRPL979
Janesville Wisconsin
608-754-8671
Send from my spectrum iPhone 16.
On May 22, 2025, at 3:45?PM, Gervais Fillion via groups.io wrote:
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Chad,
Try with W7 if you have a copy! it may find the good driver itself.
W7 was an XP Updated if i remember!
gervais,ve2ckn
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De : [email protected] de la part de Chad Nelson
Envoy¨¦ : 22 mai 2025 16:19
? : [email protected]
Objet : [repeater-builder] RT systems drivers
Hi,
Does anyone know of a good resource to find WIN XP drivers for RT Systems cables? Tried their web site, however all options for downloads are not available.
Thanks,
Chad WI9HF
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Chris Boone WB5ITT
KB9LFZ