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Re: Kenwood NXDN & Motorola DMR hand helds
Rick, I¡¯d like one of the XPR6550 radios. Thanks, Doug N?MM? On Tue, May 13, 2025 at 1:22?PM Rick E via <w6re=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Decibel DB-404 antennas.
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On 2025-05-13 15:48, Rick E via groups.io wrote:
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Motorola X9000 128CH with DTMF 6M+10M to Zenia Friday
¿ªÔÆÌåÓý This was our mobile until it could not fit into the new vehicle so for sale! Complete with all accessories including fuses, just as pulled out.? 1073 head with bright display (see pics). Modified for negative ground only. Blanker tuned to 41 MHz. Decodes/ encodes DTMF from head. Scans all 128 modes (if you really wanted to) in about 1/2-1 second. All 6M frequencies mode 1-mode 99. 10M mode 122-128. Misc 2-way in between RX only. 16 frequency MPL option. Scan is outstanding- cannot normally hear the priority sampling holes on a non-priority signal. Tx audio has mike mod for excellent voice reproduction. $150 to first buyer. Plan to be at the flea on Fri AM, but no selling space so email me at jhaserick84@...? up to Thurs evening.?
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I might be able to custom reprogram a few modes if enough time, otherwise it will be very difficult to do without the proper programming equipment. That is the downside of the radio.
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John W1GPO
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Kenwood NXDN & Motorola DMR hand helds
Hello RB people,
? ? I am cleaning out the storage shed and have some leftover Kenwood NXDN hand helds that can cover into the ham bands and work well there. The radios I have are all in good working order and can be programmed from 440 to 520 MHz, used in either ANALOG or NXDN digital and in conventional service, LTR trunk service or NXDN conventional or trunk service. They hold hundreds of channels in multiple zones so memory space is not a problem. Supplied with radio, antenna & one battery (LiON type) although I cannot guarantee the battery condition. The Motorola hand helds are XPR 6550, 440-512 MHz come with antenna, no battery or charger. Package deals if buying more than one.
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NX-320K (16ch selector) 52+ zones, no display. $90 each
NX-320K2 (16ch selector) 128 zones, with LCD displays $135 each
XPR-6550 (16ch selector) LCD display $120 each?
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All prices + $15 each shipping CONUS US 48.
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All have been tested to work and shipped with no passwords. I have tested them in the ham bands and they functioned just fine along with the commercial band.?
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Thanks for looking,
Rick w6re
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Storm Chief type wax filled HD fiberglass Colinear UHF antennas for severe duty service.
I have three or four wax filled Storm Chief style heavy duty fiberglass colinear type UHF antennas for sale that have lightning spike tips on the top. These are cut for the "Government" band around 415 to 420 MHz band. They have acceptable SWR on the 420 to 430 MHz band and would work well in the sub or linking portion of the HAM band. They are heavy duty and weigh quite a bit being that they are filled with wax. They are around 7 or 8 Ft long gain may be around 6dB give or take. These would do well on a severe weather mountain site or wherever you need an antenna that can survive harsh environments. I have not tried to use one in the 440 MHz band but they? might be tunable with the metal band method and provide some electrical down tilt as a result. If one could figure out how to clean out the inside, they would make an excellent storm housing for Comet or Diamond type ham grade antennas to survive at severe weather sites. In any event, $200 each and you figure freight or shipping unless you want dimensions and to see if they are shippable by a national carrier of some sort. I haven't tried to ship something like this in a while so quoting wouldn't be accurate. The government paid a small fortune for these originally and I don't supply this contract work anymore so they are for sale as surplus in great shape the last three there are.
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Re: Decibel DB-404 antennas.
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýRick, How many do you have?? I will claim two (2) of them, send me an email directly if you will please. Thanks Kory W4RZ W4RZ @ W4RZ (dot) com On 2025-05-13 14:40, Rick E via groups.io wrote:
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Decibel DB-404 antennas.
Selling several DB-404 antennas cut for the 460 MHz range. Perfect for a GMRS repeater or some such. In good usable shape, various ages. Will ship these WITH NO MAST in a compact box CONUS 48 @ $225 in a box each. Stuff is getting spendy new these days so save some coin. Use your own mast to save some money. These have factory harnesses with type N connectors and have been swept to make sure. I might even have a couple cut for the "T" band 470+ if someone needs one. I can text or email pictures as they are before they are taken off the masts for shipping and compare the loops. These have a higher SWR than I like on the ham UHF 440 band so I recommend them to use on GMRS instead.
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Re: PD526 Duplexer Tuning
Trying to squeeze a ew drops of orange juice from the pulp is not going to make a difference.?
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?Most receivers say .35 uv.@20db Sinad. Is just fine. ?I have found?Squelch usually opens @.2uv ?Adding a preamp alone without a preselector in front of it. Is just asking to introduce desense. If you have an additional 1-2 pass cans to place front of the preamp. You may probably be ok. That¡¯s what I do,? Most of the time. ?No preamp. But that¡¯s just me. ?Neal Ka2caf On Tuesday, May 13, 2025, 7:21 AM, Part 15 Engineer via groups.io <kc8gpd@...> wrote:
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Re: PD526 Duplexer Tuning
Hi Bob, I was reading the quantar manual and .35uV @ 12db sinad going directly into the quantar is spec. I have that going through the duplexer. Directly into quantar it's more like -125/-124 dbm iirc. Also .5uV is spec for full quieting, i think at 20db sinad. So according to that I think I'm doing pretty good on sensitivity. I think my friends uhf quantar is getting -119dbm directly to repeater. He runs his through a t1507a duplexer into a comet diplexer through 1/2 inch heliax into a comet g6 and has county wide portable coverage. I was thinking of adding an advanced receiver research P460VDG preamp into an m/a com 10db 50ohm pad all 1/4 inch hardline jumpers. But 1 I don't think I need the preamp with the specs I'm getting and 2 I can't seem to locate it around here anyway. Thanks Robert Chrysafis Kc8gpd Wrcm325 Scottsbluff NE On Mon, May 12, 2025, 10:43?AM Bob Dengler via <no6b=[email protected]> wrote:
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Dayton/Xenia 2025
Our usual crew including SCOM, Repeater-Builder (the company), and a number
of other members of this list will be at Hamvention once again this year, same block of spaces in the infield as in past years with #7727 being the easiest one to remember. Stop by, have a chat and a beer, spend your hard-earned money on things you may or may not actually need. Who knows, you may even catch a glimpse of the elusive Skipp May as he skulks around our spaces akin to bigfoot in the forest trying to stay out of sight for fear of being spotted, or worse yet, captured. On a semi-commercial note, if you will be at Hamvention, email me direct if you have any interest in the following: Duplexers, all bands, new and used Repeater PA's, VHF and UHF and maybe a few 900, many, new and used Heliax connectors, hundreds, virtually any flavor, prefer to sell by the case for smaller sizes (1/2" and below) Maggiore 220 repeaters VHF MTR3000 Various repeater controllers, RLC-210, Link RLC-Club (Club Deluxe? I forget), etc. Not selling any SCOM's. A half dozen or so Tek 2465B scopes (I haven't tested them, but can do so if there's any interest) SteppIR "CrankIR" 80m thru 2m vertical antenna package, new, complete with tripod Email if there is anything else repeater-related you're looking for that is of manageable size. I am only bringing things that I have pre-sold ahead of time, and I'm packing the truck tomorrow. I will not ship anything, hamfest pickup only. 73 and hope to see you there. === Jeff WN3A |
Re: Major Desense
At 5/12/2025 10:15 AM, you wrote:
Sir, A few months ago I suddenly had a severe (over 10 dB) desense problem with my 2 meter repeater at the house.? I used a method similar to the above to locate the source: a 20+ year old document scanner.? Funny thing is this scanner has always been plugged in & never caused a problem until now, so yeah an electrolytic probably dried out. Bob NO6B |
Re: Major Desense
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýCorrect¡ no desense into a dummy load, so in my mind that rules out the PA unless something really wonky is happening.? Same goes for any potential issues with the duplexer. ? Unfortunately, in all likelihood, if we have a case of ¡®rusty bolt syndrome¡¯ it¡¯s *PROBABLY* going to be on the water tank itself; e.g. one of the many abandoned antennas/truncated feedlines.? But, the 48 VDC power is certainly worth looking in to. ? Mike WM4B ? ? From: Matt Krick <dcflux@...>
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2025 1:15 PM To: [email protected] Cc: mwbesemer@... Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] Major Desense ? Sir, I have seen several MSR-2000 Power Amplifiers go spurious when the electrolytic capacitors dry out. Unless you looked at the output of the PA with a spectrum analyzer, I wouldn't rule it out. However I did see here that you said you get no desense with a dummy load connected instead of the PA so I will concede my initial suggestion may be wrong. One of the best things you can do in this case is lock your transmitter on and turn the power level down to the lowest you can and still have a good amount of desense.? Then use a handheld tuned to your input frequency and a step attenuatior if you have one, and walk around the site to see where you get maximum noise. In the past I've had problems with CFL lights, boat and motorcycle battery chargers and FM radio stations that were spaced 600 kHz apart on the FM dial. Modern cellular radios are bolted behind the antennas and run fiber to the building, but the 48 volt power is usually supplied to the radio with unshielded 6 or 8 gauge wire. Could be the rectifier charging the batteries is creating your noise problem. Another thing to check is the Telewave TPRD-1556 duplexer can be prone to dissimilar metal corrosion between the coupling loop plates and the top of the can. ? ? On Mon, 12 May 2025, 08:57 Jeff DePolo WN3A via , <jd0=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Major Desense
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýCorrect.? That¡¯s not what we¡¯re seeing.? In our case, it happens ONLY when our transmitter is active. ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bob Dengler
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2025 12:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] Major Desense ? At 5/12/2025 08:35 AM, you wrote:
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Re: Major Desense
Sir, I have seen several MSR-2000 Power Amplifiers go spurious when the electrolytic capacitors dry out. Unless you looked at the output of the PA with a spectrum analyzer, I wouldn't rule it out. However I did see here that you said you get no desense with a dummy load connected instead of the PA so I will concede my initial suggestion may be wrong. One of the best things you can do in this case is lock your transmitter on and turn the power level down to the lowest you can and still have a good amount of desense.? Then use a handheld tuned to your input frequency and a step attenuatior if you have one, and walk around the site to see where you get maximum noise. In the past I've had problems with CFL lights, boat and motorcycle battery chargers and FM radio stations that were spaced 600 kHz apart on the FM dial. Modern cellular radios are bolted behind the antennas and run fiber to the building, but the 48 volt power is usually supplied to the radio with unshielded 6 or 8 gauge wire. Could be the rectifier charging the batteries is creating your noise problem. Another thing to check is the Telewave TPRD-1556 duplexer can be prone to dissimilar metal corrosion between the coupling loop plates and the top of the can. On Mon, 12 May 2025, 08:57 Jeff DePolo WN3A via , <jd0=[email protected]> wrote: >? The rest of the antennas are not connected to anything and the feedlines |
Re: Major Desense
At 5/12/2025 08:35 AM, you wrote:
I fought a problem similar to yours but slightly different. We had the same thing happen at a site in LA.? I don't remember the manufacturer of the SCADA system but wouldn't be surprised if it was the same. FWIW this is not "desense" but simply a noise signal being transmitted directly on your input frequency. Bob NO6B |
Re: PD526 Duplexer Tuning
At 5/12/2025 04:46 AM, you wrote:
Update on pd526: If you're saying your RX's squelch only breaks open at -119 dBm, that's not very good IMO.? -119 dBm is 0.25 uV, so your 12 dB SINAD is probably ~0.35 uV.? Unless your site is very noisy you should be able to achieve 6 dB better than that. Bob NO6B |
Re: Major Desense
? The rest of the antennas are not connected to anything and the feedlineshave (unfortunately) been hacked off just below the catwalk.? Unlike fine wine, abandoned antennas don¡¯t get better with age. And, with their cables cut off, that doesn¡¯t help matters either. Any of them could be creating noise when excited by your transmitter RF; it¡¯s the same as the proverbial ¡°rusty guy wire¡± problem. I cranked down the power on the TX and the desense was still there all theway down to nothing.? It would be helpful to know the amount of desense at a few different power output levels, like 100 watts yields X dB of desense, 10 watts yields Y dB of desense, and 1 watt yields Z dB. I have been told that the feedline has been swept with a NanoVNASwept as in sweeping the line via time-domain, or swept for return loss as if sweeping the antenna? so I¡¯m taking the word that ¡®it looked fine¡¯ with a huge grain of salt.?"Trust but verify". Or depending on the source, don't even trust. whether it was a heliax splice or two N-ConnectorsI hate Heliax splices. I'm glad they quit making them. Against my advice, the antenna was hooked directly to the feedline withouta jumper. 7/8" is a hell of a moment arm?on a fixed N connector... I don¡¯t know much about the G7-144, but from what I¡¯ve seen here in thearchives it appears to be ok for repeater service with the exception of not being particularlygood in the weather.? That pretty much sums it up. For whatever reason, G7's seem to be lightning magnets. I don't know why. But, assuming lightning wasn't involved, the other common failure is water getting into the base coil assembly and corroding the works. Related to that is another common problem which is installer-induced - blocking the weep hole at the N connector, thus trapping water inside. Since you mention someone attached a 7/8" connector directly to the antenna, it seems quite possible, if not likely, that when they sealed the connection they blocked the weep hole. I did see one place at the end of the ice-bridge where someone had steppedon a piece of 5/8¡± heliax and crimped it good Unless it's crimped to the point of the center and shield coming in contact (which is damn near impossible), a dent isn't going to cause desense. The only thing that worries me are the 5G panels at the top of the watertower.? I wouldn¡¯t put the cell carriers as being high on my list of suspects. I'd put your antenna at the top of the list, your feedline/connectors/splices second, and other potential noisemakers in your antenna's near field third (and that includes any/all abandoned antennas). ---- Jeff WN3A |