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Re: Terminology Page

de Ric KK5RIC
 

Reverse burst was used in the Olden Golden days of yore, when we used
mechanical tuned reeds to decode and encode CTCSS tones. These reeds would
keep running for a short time and the radio would be on open squelch, and
you would hear the noise squelch close with a "Ker-Chunk"

The reverse burst turned the CTCSS tone around 180 degrees and this caused
the reeds to slam to a stop, causing the receiver squelch to shut before
the user heard any "Ker-Chunk"


RUS Receiver Un-squelched
COS Carrier Operated Switch (sometimes called Carrier Operated Squelch)

All standard squelch circuits have a section that will switch a voltage on
or off when the squelch is opened. These voltages mute the receiver,
sometimes in concert with a tone decoder.

These voltages can also feed a COS or COR unit that amplifies this voltage
and then sends a control signal (voltage) to a repeater controller or in
the tube days the COR contacts would key the transmitter in a repeater. By
adding a large capacitor on the relay coil circuit you could add a small
amount of delay keeping the transmitter keyed when the receiver was
receiving a weak signal that was dropping out.

The COR was built with a tube 12AT7 (can not remember for sure) that took
the small voltage from the receiver squelch and amplified it to turn the
second side of the tube into a switch controlling the relay in the plate
line of that tube section.

In the early 1960s I worked on Motorola Sensicon A gear that had been
built in the late 40s with just such a system. We had a remote base
station on the mountain top with a 35 Mhz receiver and a 43 Mhz transmitter
controlled by a 72 and 75 MHz link radios, full duplex.


Rick Sohl KK5RIC

At 10:00 22-02-99 -0800, you wrote:
From: Marvin Munster <mmunster@...>

How about adding "Reverse Burst" and it's explanation. I have had it
explained a time or two, but just can't seem to grasp the concept.
Marvin.


Re: Terminology Page

Marvin Munster
 

How about adding "Reverse Burst" and it's explanation. I have had it
explained a time or two, but just can't seem to grasp the concept.
Marvin.

At 10:34 PM 2/21/99 -0500, you wrote:
From: "Kevin K. Custer W3KKC" <kuggie@...>

Here are the first submissions to the terminology page.

See it at

Kevin


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Terminology Page

Kevin K. Custer W3KKC
 

Here are the first submissions to the terminology page.

See it at

Kevin


Re: wanted / Query

Ken Whalen <[email protected]
 

Sorry about that,

The Model is a CM-4000B

Ken
VO1ST
vo1st@...

On February 21, 1999 7:57 PM, Ken Whalen [SMTP:techline@...] wrote:
: From: Ken Whalen <techline@...>
:
:
: A couple of things,
:
: First I'm looking for a schematic of a Power Supply for a Cushman 4000.
: Perhaps someone could point me to a source of service manuals etc..


Re: wanted / Query

Ken Whalen <[email protected]
 

A couple of things,

First I'm looking for a schematic of a Power Supply for a Cushman 4000.
Perhaps someone could point me to a source of service manuals etc..

Secondly further to the recent discussion of hardwire verses RF trunking,
is anyone exploring trunking via the internet? We are presently trunking
through a Satellite ( www.iparn.ca ) but with the recent flurry of activity
online, can anyone point me in the direction of sites that are
experimenting with this..

Thanks
Ken
VO1ST


Re: For Sale Posting, and a query.

Kevin K. Custer W3KKC
 

de Ric KK5RIC wrote:

From: de Ric KK5RIC <kk5ric@...>

Kevin,

I use the term TOS to indicate some form of "Tone Operated Squelch"

Ric Sohl kk5ric
Ok, I'll add that to the list.

Kevin


Re: For Sale Posting, and a query.

de Ric KK5RIC
 

Keven,

I use the term TOS to indicate some form of "Tone Operated Squelch"

Ric Sohl kk5ric


DE:

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For Sale Posting, and a query.

Kevin K. Custer W3KKC
 

Hello All,

Because of the high rate of new users to this list (about 10 a day,) I
am allowing the posting of "for sale" items twice a week instead of
once a week. I will go back to once a week once the list sub rate slows
down. I will let you know when (if) that happens.

If you have for sale items please post again.

Welcome, all you new subscribers. There are now 100 subs to this list.

I also have a want.

I would like a list of common terminology used in repeater service, and
an explanation. Things like Ptt, Cos, PL, Channel Guard, to even more
advanced things like BpBr, Desensitization, Duplexing and the such.
Please email your Term and well written explanation of one or as many
of these as you like. You are not limited to the ones suggested. Submit
all to me directly so I can start to assemble them in an orderly
fashion. These will be posted on the RBTIP site. General credit will be
given to the contributing volunteers.

Thanks in advance.

Kevin Custer W3KKC
List Owner


Re: VHF Mobile Micors

 

Might Be needing one of those, get with me off-line ad4cr@...


List server problems

Kevin K. Custer W3KKC
 

Many of you who have just joined the server had some trouble
subscribing. This message I am forwarding pertains to the situation.
This message originated from the Onelist Team and has not been edited
for content. This message was directed to me, the list owner.
--------------------------------------------------

Hello,

There was a glitch in the ONElist system from Friday evening to Saturday
morning. This only affected people who tried to create lists and who
subscribed to existing lists. When someone subscribed to a list, they
were set to No Post, which means that they couldn't post to the list.
Many people also had difficulty creating new lists. Both problems have
been fixed. All subscriptions that had No Post set because of this have
been fixed. Everything should be back to normal, and moderators do not
have to do anything for these fixes.

We take pride in our high-level of service, and we sincerely apologize
for this glitch.


The ONElist Team


--------------------------------------------

I actually knew about the problem before this report posted and I had
fixed all subscriptions to be allowed to post and not be set for Digest
mode. Onelist does try to be the best online email server available at
no cost.

If you really want to be set for Digest mode (all html and images
stripped), or No post, then send an email to me stating this.

I would like to take this time to thank all of you who have decided to
join, especially those in the last two days. I started this list not
quite a week ago and there are already 90 subscribers. This list will
succeed, not because of me, but because of you!

Kevin


UHF MASTER II INFO

Brent DeSalvo KF4TNP
 

Need Help in identify a few jacks on the Master II UHF repeater.

looking at the rear of the Master II there is the bus bar it is labeled
and to the left of it is a series of Jacks labeled
J1201, J1202, J1203, J1204 . To the left of them is 3 more Jacks, the
first two i have no idea as to what they are used for need help with
these.. i do know that the bottom of the 3 jack is use for the far left
Aux. slot which i have installed is a meter for rx/tx tuning metering,
The first two are unknown.


Re: VHF Antenna Design

David Armstrong
 

David Armstrong KF4LJR
Technical Advisor, Southeastern, Division
440 Plunkett Dr.
Horton, Al 35980
205-593-5321 home of the 443.725 Repeator

> From: "Terry Bartholomew NQ4Y" <terry@...>
> 1) Would a folded dipole have more gain than a "gamma matched"
dipole?
****

Would a gamma matched dipole be dc grounded?
I would put the folded dipole up.
***

2) What is the best way to orient the antennas on the tower?
***
I would put up a DB 228. As to the way to put it on the tower?
Just as DB says to! Go to ther web sit an look an see what fills
your needs.

***

( > 3) Has anyone had any experience with the Maxrad 4 element
dipole
array? Or would it perform like the old cushcraft 4 element
dipole?


All comments welcome!
**
I would'en use a fiberglas ant. of any typ to duplex on.
They just don't work as well in duplex as do folded dipoles.
An I know of a lot of repeaters useing fiberglas ant's but the folded
dipole
well work better in duplex.
As I'am new to the list I don't know what most of you use or like.
This is just what I'ev found to be true in the repeaters I'ev been around.
Research is a lot cheaper than replacement!
**


INFO

Alex Groza
 

I have seen several internet web pages dealing with
repeater conversions. The two I see most often are the
KUGGIE and SEITS web pages.

Several different methods are listed throughout the web
for converting the Mitrek and GE Mastr II series radios
to repeaters.

I am especially interested in a very good Mitrek
repeater conversion. This would include all internal
mods, PL, COR, cable connections, etc..... This is for
voice, not packet. Your input is greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Alex
WB6DTR


VHF Mobile Micors

Randy Nelson
 

I have two 100 watt VHF Micors for sale. Originally got them for a
repeater project that didn't materialize. Channel elements are included
as well as the main harness. Also have some control heads somewhere
too.
These were removed from service in an ambulance service and are both
very clean.

$100 each for $ 175 for both OBO.

Randy, WB0VHB


GE MASTER II UHF REPEATER

Brent DeSalvo KF4TNP
 

Have Problems i have obtain another GE Mater II UHF repeater
and it is
dead !!!!
i have check the 10v regulator card in another repeater and
it works
great i have found out that the control board does have 13.8
volts
applied to it probing at the orange wire and found a problem
the Red
wire on the control board harness is dead i believe this is
the 10v am i
correct ... i have also checked lug terminal #9 10v on the
back of the
repeater and it is good 10.1volts but somewhere in between i
lost 10
volts any ideas to what may be the problem or how to approach
it



--
Brent DeSalvo (KF4TNP)
146.625- 442.100+
Lewisburg, Tennessee

Do not forget to Confirm your visit! Thanx.


Re: [REPEATERS] Repeater Builder List Server

Kevin K. Custer W3KKC
 

Hello Chris and All,
My comments to Chris' opinions.

"CHRISTOPHER W. (Chris) BOONE" wrote:

Kevin,
I disagree with your comments below....
You are allowed to disagree....doesn't mean you're right.

1) the Repeater remailer (now at Onelist) was started for
just the reasons you state below...WHY duplicate things???
As a list user for many years (of the Original RptrOWN@...
and now Repeater@...), I find this a little confusing..

2) Denying those with Juno or similar email clients is IMHO
discrimination and without cause.....
Well some people who subscribe through Juno and other non html based
email systems can't receive html, images, and attachments. I am NOT
discriminating. They themselves are.. if they choose to use this type
email system. This is THEIR choice not mine. (BTW My page states SHOULD
NOT .....not DO NOT.) Should not is a suggestion, Do not is
discrimination. I do not feel my list is duplication.

3) Sending file attachments THROUGH a remailer is poor practice.
It doesn't help the server any! Thats why MOST remailers donot
allow it
Well.... the server I use DOES allow it. I conversed with the technical
team before I started this list. They had no problem.

.....take a 1 Meg file.....times 300 users....you get
the point!....the server then spends more time sending out files
and that can put a strain on the system......send a file
ONLY to those who want it...not the entire remailer!
Myself and others have sent pix and html through the server. I did not
hear anyone complain. If people would not have wanted or or liked this
style mailer, WHY do I have 62 subscribers in a mere 6 days?


True, Onelist is a commercial site but still setting up a remailer
to "hawk" web pages is just a waste of bandwidth..
thats what posting URL's on the current remailer is for...
sending entire web pages and other graphics is a waste of
bandwidth and time...
You are missing the point. What can I say?? You know your self that
running a mail server is work. I am not twisting anyone's arm to join.
If this mail server helps one person understand something about
repeaters, I'll feel better.

Another thing on Wasting the servers resources, The server I use does
NOT store the actual images and does NOT store the messages
indefinitely. That's why you should not join in the Digest mode. So...
if a person emails a couple of words and a picture to help some
understand a problem, what is then actually stored, (and tying up system
resources?) not much. Certainly a whole lot less than a thousand word
letter. I know myself that if I had a picture to send along with an
explanation, the person on the other end would have understood the
matter completely, and subsequent emailings would have been unnecessary.
Example: The deemphasis circuit, through a resistor and a cap to
ground. A small gif would eliminate any question.

Another point is the use of HTML in an email. This list I run allows the
use of html based email, and is another reason I started it. You are
bashing the use of images, or forwarding a web page in an email
posting, But you don't allow it on YOUR list. I believe you exact words
are "NO FILE ATTACHMENTS allowed..." now who's discriminating?

The use of html based email allows the use of emphasis on lettering and
so forth.

BTW there IS a Land Mobile Radio remailer on Onelist that has
been here for some time....it deals with commercial rptrs
and other systems....I find it interesting someone started a
twoway list...(another spliting of resources)..
Maybe they didn't like yours?

Also I bet you'll get no posting on the ACC list at Linkcomm
with your msg.....they don't like CC'ed mailings...
Oh well....

Just my $.02

Chris
WB5ITT
Thank you......
Kevin

PS, You ARE welcome to join.


Trunking

 

Anybody on this list doing any trunking with ham repeaters?? If you are, what
kind of format are you using, controller, radios etc ?? the 900mhz band would
be the best band to do it, alot of commercial equipment out there for that
band..


Fred


Re: Astron RS-12A

Kevin K. Custer W3KKC
 

dchall wrote:

Any chance that you have or are going to post the schematic for a
RS-12A? I have one that the smoke got out of. And I know from years of
experience that once the smoke gets out that repair is required. Thanks.

Dave Hall
N7ZPY
dchall@...
Dave, and All on the list,

Thanks to Rich Reese WA8DBW we now have an Astron RS-12A schematic. This new
page can be seen by going to the Astron page at
Click on the RS-12A link.

The RS-12A page goes to a printable jpg file. This file is a thumbnail and
has been reduced in color and size for printing. Click on the image for
clarification, and enlargement.

Kevin


Re: Mocom 70 Channel Elements

Kevin K. Custer W3KKC
 

JHowel@... wrote:

From: JHowel@...

In a message dated 2/19/99 18:27:51 Eastern Standard Time, kuggie@...
writes:


I'll check, Do you need for both transmit and receive? How many of each?
Any
particular frequency you are looking for?
I would need transmit and receive (a minimum of one set right now, though I
have a stack of the beasts and might eventually want to do something with the
lot). I'm making an attempt at building a 2-meter repeater out of two of
them.

I've heard from several people that, as long as there are not temperature
extremes, you don't need a channel element as the crystal will plug directly
into the radio without the element. Maybe I could build a "heater" using a
thermister -- I'll have to check my manual -- which I received in today's mail
-- and see.

Thanks.
I'll check and see if I can come up with some. If I don't reply about this in a
couple of days and you don't receive any other offers, Please remail (jog my
memory) My forgetter has been working overtime lately.

Kevin


[Fwd: [onelist_moderators] Virus Alert]

Kevin K. Custer W3KKC
 

Gang, I was asked to pass this information along. This information
originated from the owners of "Onelist. com" our list server.

Kevin