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Re: International crystal manufacturing
So, not to be stupid,? my complete keystrokes on my desk pad would be (come off hook, of course)? 01 31 229 230 044 ?
If so, I can't believe I missed that crucial step, considering my background.? No dog bone for me tonight. Considering the time difference (what? UTC -1 hour) I'll make the call around 3am my time. Don't get old, it's awful. -- - Regards, Karl Shoemaker To contact me, please visit SRG's web site at? for the current email address. |
How Many Have Done SPD/ACPR Testing?
This is an informal survey prompted by the recent bandwidth discussion.
There are over 5000 members of this list including many highly technical people. Some of you must have done this testing.? Please share what you learned. Attached is an example test of a Motorola APX portable in TIA format. |
Re: International crystal manufacturing
David McBrayer
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýAll,Since paper telephone directories are more rare than a chicken with teeth, the internet is your friend. ? To dial any telephone number FROM the U.S. (international phone call) the first digits you punch in after hearing ¡®dial tone¡¯ are ¡°011¡± to access the outgoing circuits, then the two or three digits of the destination country code, then the destination telephone number. ? The poster offering ¡°01¡± almost had it. ? Keep smiling. ? Dave McBrayer? Auburn, CA? -- Dave McBrayer? N6OJJ Auburn, CA |
Re: Voter Systems
Wow-they want WAAAY too much for those! I can't see going much above $100 for one...
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And the one on top in the bottom pic is just a cage with some MastrII cards in it. None of those are for the voter. On 11/18/2022 1:34 PM, Karl Shoemaker wrote:
So, this is what the guys are talking about for GE?? This is on ebay. I guess I did not remember the two "version" the older, gray one (which I'm somewhat been around) and the newer(?) dark one? |
Re: Voter Systems
That seems reasonable enough. I've yet to find a radio (or band) that I could use to run something continuously like that. Seems it would eventually eat PAs. Like trunked control channel repeaters occasionally do.
Dennis Mills, WB6OIL (SK) engineered a system somewhat like this. It was very unique in that the remote sites were MSF 5000s that received on 443MHz and transmitted on 439MHz. They had a several second hangtime to them and during that hangtime generated 2175Hz over the air. Once the hangtime ran out, the SpectraTAC link receiver at the comparator site would take over the 2175Hz generation into the comparator. There was an ever so slight "tick" when the remote site unkeyed. It worked EXTREMELY well. I ended up with the comparator and link receivers from that system in a round-about manner when it was decommissioned. Never was able to lay hands on any of the specially-modified MSF 5000 stations though. Man that thing worked well, had a phone patch and everything. Some day I'd like to put it back together. Transmit site, as I understand it was a 250W MICOR, by the way. Chris -- Chris Baldwin, CETSr. (KF6AJM) Trustee - MetroNET Cal. Intertie (KB3PX) |
Re: Voter Systems
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýEm, not completed yet. I'll take one of
a 2RU box that is nt a drawer, but has the din rails.
Soon.
Tom K8TB
On 11/18/2022 3:20 PM, Eric Grabowski
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Re: Voter Systems
Zero hangtime?? Nope..I found ~200-400ms max is needed...mobile chop causes the link to go rapidly off/on etc.. horrible...a SHORT hangtime on links smooths out everything.. or just run the link continuous with status tone on it..use high freq for CW ID and filter out at rcvr... Or just use COS...works for me Chris WB5ITT? On Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 3:41 PM Chris Baldwin via <surf_boy82=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Voter Systems
Best way to do it is use a regular crossband type configuration at the receiver site. For example, VHF receiver hooked up to a UHF transmitter. Zero hangtime. At the voter site, use a UHF link receiver that generates the status tone to the comparator. Chris |
Re: International crystal manufacturing
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýOr you could forget temperature compensation and use a crystal heater - way more stable than temp. comp.Chuck WB2EDV On 11/18/2022 1:58 PM, Karl Shoemaker
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Yea, thanks Doug; it did try them but the phone call would not go through. I believe the international code is " 01 " but no good.? It used to work when I was with Kaelus talking to co workers in Brisbane.? |
Re: International crystal manufacturing
Bomar?? Oh hell no....poor quality...I threw anything from them away... On Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 3:03 PM Pamela - N1ZKH <pamela.n1zkh@...> wrote: Hi Karl, |
Re: International crystal manufacturing
If you have a lot of patience, and a lot of channel elements, I have had good success with just swapping the Xtal into an element that has good stability across the temperature range (~10f to 100f) I need. ? It takes a while and a wife that doesn't mind weird stuff in the freezer. This works fine because I have about 50 spare mitrek elements.?? I have even begun to grade their performance, so I kinda know what to expect. If you need a temperature controlled environment, you can also get the CH-25 from Kevin.? That keeps the temp on the xtal pretty close to whatever you set at (I recommend about 120F, as you want to be outside the possible warmest site temperature).?? This option works as well, but is also some work too. Andy On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 12:58 PM DougH via <specialq.que=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: International crystal manufacturing
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Have you tried?Bomar Crystal Company?? ? ? 117 William Street ?PO Box 10 Middlesex, NJ 08846 + 1 (732) 356-7787 ? Pamela - N1ZKH ? ?
Friday, November 18, 2022, 12:37:29 PM, you wrote:
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Re: Voter Systems
I have a project with a voting system and wondered if there is a cheap way of transmitting this 2175Hz tone from a remote site? was gonna do microwave, but thats too expensive no internet at this remote site Millin From: "Mike Naruta AA8K" <AA8K@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 12:40:05 PM Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] Voter Systems Hey, you're talking about some of my best work! You forgot to mention lots of clip leads. (I was once chastised by WB8MCS who told me, "No clip leads on the repeater!" ?That was back with tube receivers and transmitters and a real Carrier Operated Relay. ?We got mad at the kerchunkers because they would wear out the scrounged relays that we were using.) ----------- The other thing that I absolutely abhor is to see something like perf boards, relays, dead-bug components, etc. gimmicked up to cure logic level incompatibilities, or tailor audio levels, or add RC delays, or whatever, especially when they're dangling off the back of equipment like a voter or repeater chassis backplane. ?I'm sure you know the kind of hackery I'm talking about which, fortunately, in the more-modern digital age has become less and less of a problem in commercial realms than it once was, but still seems to live on in the hammy world. |
136-174 VHF Amp for sale
RF Technology IPPA150Q 180 watt continuous duty VHF (136-174 MHz) repeater amplifier. 1-3 watts in adjustable output to 180 watts. Built in 45 Amp power supply. 120VAC input, 19" 2RU rack mount.
Integrated Digital controller supporting full control and monitoring all sensors and alarms over LAN (SNMP v2c) Remote IP control using the embedded web server (set or adjust your power remotely) Quick key up response Closed-loop control keeps output power at set point in a changing environment (i.e. input power, temperature, component tolerance, component ageing, etc.) High RF shielding and isolation Monitors antenna reflection and performance remotely over extended periods 5 temperature sensors to monitor heat generation internally Automatic shut down on triggered events (adjustable) 50 Ohm input/output Adjustable over entire frequency band without tuning (no sub bands) IP address DHCP $1000 plus shipping Paypal ok I can provide screen shots of the GUI if you are interested. TNX Jim |
Re: Two UHF repeaters sharing the same antenna.
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI built this for two repeaters that share a single antenna 444.5TX, 444.7TX and 449.5 RX and 449.7 RX.? I used 2 8¡± BP cavities on each TX with a two stage isolator and 3 4¡± BP cavities for the RX window.? 4 cavitie BPBR between RX and TX.? Right at 3db of loss.? 6 db preamp on the RX distribution.? Works well,? I have also done the same for some 420 link repeaters that link different systems at the same two sites.? Work well!! ? Dark grey are the ones for the first system I mentioned the lighter one is for the linked repeaters only 2 watts, input into the filters. Jim ? ? ? From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of David Cameron - IRLP
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2022 9:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [repeater-builder] Two UHF repeaters sharing the same antenna. ? I have a few sites doing this. As long as the frequencies are CLOSE enough. They have to be close enough that the passes and the notches are wide enough to cover both pairs. |
Re: Voter Systems
Hey, you're talking about some of my best work!
You forgot to mention lots of clip leads. (I was once chastised by WB8MCS who told me, "No clip leads on the repeater!" That was back with tube receivers and transmitters and a real Carrier Operated Relay. We got mad at the kerchunkers because they would wear out the scrounged relays that we were using.) ----------- The other thing that I absolutely abhor is to see something like perf boards, relays, dead-bug components, etc. gimmicked up to cure logic level incompatibilities, or tailor audio levels, or add RC delays, or whatever, especially when they're dangling off the back of equipment like a voter or repeater chassis backplane. I'm sure you know the kind of hackery I'm talking about which, fortunately, in the more-modern digital age has become less and less of a problem in commercial realms than it once was, but still seems to live on in the hammy world. |
Re: FS LDG voter RVS-8
JLPCB offers small-batch boards and SMD installation at pretty reasonable prices these days.? I wish it was a US company but until someone in the US starts up a similar business that is what we are stuck with. Dan Woodie, CETsr KC8ZUM? On Fri, Nov 18, 2022, 12:34 PM Karl Shoemaker <srg734@...> wrote: Lots of SMDs on the (OEM) board so you may need a wave machine or lots of pacience, LOL.? But ye,s it would be nice to start it up again. Same goes for the Doug Hall voter. |
Re: Voter Systems
Eric Grabowski
Tom, A picture is worth a thousand words. Do you have one you feel comfortable sharing? 73 and aloha, Eric KH6CQ
On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:02:21 AM HST, K8TB <k8tb@...> wrote:
Jeff, Those perf-boards and? a PL decoder here and a PL decoder there get away from you. I am rebuilding the Holland (Mi) repeater systems. New cabinet and some nice Quantars and MTR-2000's. A Doug Hall voter and a JPS voter, and I can switch between them. ?But you still need those little boards. So I had a leftover 2 ru (3.5") rack drawer. Inside the drawer, I put two DIN rails, and I mount everything on DIN plates. That way I can pull any board out if need be. I have several captive wire, smaller gauge barrier strips up on 1" standoffs that everything inside and outside goes to. I have four 1" holes in the back with those nice plastic grommets. 1" in from those holes are again, 1" standoffs that have cable ties, so all cables get tied down. Oh, due to 50 years of broadcast engineering "experiences", I made sure to leave loops on all cables going in this drawer so when I pull the drawer out, it can! What is nice about this is that there is room for many small boards, yet there are no hanging chads anyplace. Took about 3 hours of labor to drill up all the mounts, but now, all is well. Tom K8TB On 11/18/2022 2:35 PM, Jeff DePolo WN3A wrote:
> > The other thing that I absolutely abhor is to see something like perf boards, relays, dead-bug components, etc. gimmicked up to cure logic level incompatibilities, or tailor audio levels, or add RC delays, or whatever, especially when they're dangling off the back of equipment like a voter or repeater chassis backplane.? I'm sure you know the kind of hackery I'm talking about which, fortunately, in the more-modern digital age has become less and less of a problem in commercial realms than it once was, but still seems to live on in the hammy world. > > ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? --- Jeff WN3A |
Re: Voter Systems
Jeff,
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Those perf-boards and? a PL decoder here and a PL decoder there get away from you. I am rebuilding the Holland (Mi) repeater systems. New cabinet and some nice Quantars and MTR-2000's. A Doug Hall voter and a JPS voter, and I can switch between them. ?But you still need those little boards. So I had a leftover 2 ru (3.5") rack drawer. Inside the drawer, I put two DIN rails, and I mount everything on DIN plates. That way I can pull any board out if need be. I have several captive wire, smaller gauge barrier strips up on 1" standoffs that everything inside and outside goes to. I have four 1" holes in the back with those nice plastic grommets. 1" in from those holes are again, 1" standoffs that have cable ties, so all cables get tied down. Oh, due to 50 years of broadcast engineering "experiences", I made sure to leave loops on all cables going in this drawer so when I pull the drawer out, it can! What is nice about this is that there is room for many small boards, yet there are no hanging chads anyplace. Took about 3 hours of labor to drill up all the mounts, but now, all is well. Tom K8TB On 11/18/2022 2:35 PM, Jeff DePolo WN3A wrote:
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