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Re: Views of the Solar "Storm" from the Dark Sky Observatory May 13, 2025

 

Hi Richard,
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I agree, bringer the attenuation to 20 dB will reduce sensitivity. But in this case I was trying to reach the full dynamic range. I'm sure there is a way to find the sweet spot between sensitivity and dynamic range through tinkering with the settings. As I said, it's a start.
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Attached you'll find an image of the full spectrum of the rx888 (3 to 60 MHz). As you can see, the part ~18 - 30 MHz shows very little signal. I'm not sure yet if this is due to my antenna or the rx888. Tomorrow I'll do a calibration on the lower part of the band span and see if this changes things.
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Huub
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Re: Views of the Solar "Storm" from the Dark Sky Observatory May 13, 2025

 

Richard,
The dB threshold in SDRc2RSS setting controls the?noise floor. For most Radio JOVE purposes keep it as low as possible (-150 dB).
Thanks.
Larry K4LED
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On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 12:13?PM Richard Gray via <grayro=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Huub,
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Thanks for doing that.? I agree that the calibration curve is not very pretty; it should be more linear than that, I think.? I don't understand why you are introducing an attenuation of 20dB.? That is going to greatly reduce the sensitivity of your setup.? Another thing that I do not understand is what the "dB threshold" does on SDRc2RSS.?? Maybe someone in the group can explain what that does.
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Best wishes,? Richard


Re: Solar and RF fadeout North Tasmania, Australia

 

Sabine,
Luke is using SDRc2RSS. It has a pull down list of ¡°Windowing¡± like filters. While using these filters can remove certain artifacts in a spectrograph they do so based on the fixed filter parameters. There is no operator control over what artifacts are removed other than knowing what the selected fixed filter filters. This is why I recommend turning Windowing or Filtering off especially when calibrating the system because they slightly alter the spectrograph signal. Perhaps eventually a smart AI filter could be more intelligently effective than current fixed filters. In the meantime finding and avoiding RFI, while unfortunate and difficult, is the best solution.?
Thanks.?
Larry K4LED
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On Sun, May 18, 2025 at 10:16?AM Sabine Cremer via <sc=[email protected]> wrote:
Luke,
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a quick side note: Your spectrogram looks like the FFT is working without windowing. If this is SDRPlay2RSS generating the spectra, please enable "Windowing" in the "Integrate" menu. You'll get a much clearer spectrogram then.
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Sabine
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Re: Views of the Solar "Storm" from the Dark Sky Observatory May 13, 2025

 

Hi Huub,
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Thanks for doing that.? I agree that the calibration curve is not very pretty; it should be more linear than that, I think.? I don't understand why you are introducing an attenuation of 20dB.? That is going to greatly reduce the sensitivity of your setup.? Another thing that I do not understand is what the "dB threshold" does on SDRc2RSS.?? Maybe someone in the group can explain what that does.
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Best wishes,? Richard


Re: Solar and RF fadeout North Tasmania, Australia

 

Luke,
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a quick side note: Your spectrogram looks like the FFT is working without windowing. If this is SDRPlay2RSS generating the spectra, please enable "Windowing" in the "Integrate" menu. You'll get a much clearer spectrogram then.
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Sabine
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Germany
Standard time: UTC +1 hour


Re: Views of the Solar "Storm" from the Dark Sky Observatory May 13, 2025

 
Edited

Hi Richard,
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So I did a calibration today with the following results. (see images)
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For RSS: (forgot to take a screenshot)
color offset: 0
gain: about 1.2
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Not the most pretty curve I have to admit but I guess that's how the RX888 MKII behaves.
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It's a start and maybe by tweaking the values you can get a better result.
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Huub


Re: Views of the Solar "Storm" from the Dark Sky Observatory May 13, 2025

 

Hi Richard,
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From what I remember some values from SDRC.
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Visual gain: 0
ATTN : -20 dB?
HF-Gain: about half way 55?
Bandspan: 16 MHz
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Can't remember the SDRC2RSS values but the those mentioned in the latest manual from Larry seem to fit
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Got my setup ready, hope to run a calibration today.
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Huub
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Update to "RX888 On SDR Console, SDRc2RSS", and RSS Documentation

 

FYI
The 1/29/2025 pdf document "RX888 On SDR Console, SDRc2RSS and RSS" was updated 5/17/2025 and is attached below. The Chinese RX888/RX888 MKII is fabricated by several different manufacturers in China. Some are just clones or redesigned SDRs. A totally new design is in progress to correct known issues such as overheating, PCB runs too close together, and other design issues, etc. As with some eBay items, you never know what your going to get. The RX888/RX888 MKII as well as other SDRs may be used with SDR Console and SDRc2RSS and RSS on an experimental basis. The RSP1B calibration process can only be used as a guide. Calibration accuracy cannot be guaranteed.

?For an accurately calibrated spectrograph the Radio JOVE supported SDRplay RSP1 or RSP1B are suggested.
Thank you.
Larry K4LED


Re: Views of the Solar "Storm" from the Dark Sky Observatory May 13, 2025

 

Hi Huub,
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Do you remember what you adjusted on SDRconsole to do the calibration?
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Richard


Re: Solar and RF fadeout North Tasmania, Australia

 

Luke,
Yes that's a good practice. Good that you have that resource close by. Stations farther away may have a different view. I run a Live 24/7/365 youtube feed from an RSP1B on a four section TFD array by Dave Typinski. Its at:
Its located about 40 miles north of Atlanta Georgia USA. I have a YouTube channel that may be of interest also. youtube K4LED:
Thanks Luke?for?sharing your observations on Radio JOVE.?
Larry K4LED
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On Fri, May 16, 2025 at 6:33?PM Luke Murphy via <lukepmurphy=[email protected]> wrote:

Thank you, Larry

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I will often compare my observations with data from Learmonth (relatively nearby) to at least corroborate them.

In this case the comparison is quite interesting.

I was hoping to compare to 18GHz range from Owens Valley as well, unfortunately no data is available for that period.

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Kind Regards,

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Luke.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Larry Dodd via
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2025 1:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Radio JOVE] Solar and RF fadeout North Tasmania, Australia

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Luke,

Very interesting observation Luke. Your microscopic 8 Mhz spectrograph shows a lot of detail missing in the extremely wide bandwidth Learmouth spectrograph. The solar event at a very high frequency (-100Mhz) is centered on the HF fade out shown in your spectrgtoph and at the bottom of the Learmouth spectrograph. Your observation is an excellent example of comparing a narrowbandwidth to an extremely wide bandwidth.?

Thank you for your observation.

Larry K4LED


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On Wed, May 14, 2025 at 8:30?AM Luke Murphy via <lukepmurphy=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi,

?????? Some weak solar and RF fade out. Also see comparison from Learmonth observatory around the same timeframe.

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Regards,

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Re: Views of the Solar "Storm" from the Dark Sky Observatory May 13, 2025

 

Hi Richard,
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I deleted the windows/sdrc machine to install Debian/rx2fits on it so I do not have the data anymore. But I have a spare computer and will do a calibration on that one in the next couple of days.?
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I'll come back to you when I have the results.
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Huub


Solar Events 16-May 2025

 

Good Day All!

Just a few solars from Wasilla....

Carl
Wasilla, AK USA


Re: Views of the Solar "Storm" from the Dark Sky Observatory May 13, 2025

 

Will do. Thanks again.

Tyson

On Fri, May 16, 2025 at 4:57?PM Larry Dodd via <101science=[email protected]> wrote:
Tyson?
Be sure your using the fastest direct USB port on your computer. Avoid using a USB hub.? Close any programs that may be running.? Use the shortest and best USB cable you have. .

This video may help.

Larry K4LED
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On 5/16/2025 20:47:19, Tyson Sapre via <tyson.sapre=[email protected]> wrote:

Thanks Larry.? I was able to perform the RX-888 to RSS via SDR console and so far it has worked quite well but I've just been testing at home so far and haven't tried it on our setup in Finksburg, MD yet.? Only issue is crashing if I push the bandwidth over a range of 16 Mhz, actually even then it's not ideal but it seems to work.? 8 Mhz seems to be the most stable range.??

Tyson

On Thu, May 15, 2025 at 10:55?PM Larry Dodd via <101science=[email protected]> wrote:
Tyson
The instructions for using the RX888 with SDR Condole and SDRc2RSS can be found on the Radio JOVE WIKI page. We support that method.?
Larry K4LED

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On Thu, May 15, 2025 at 9:01?PM Tyson Sapre via <tyson.sapre=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi everyone,

I recently purchased an RX-888 and was wondering if there are instructions on how to run rx2fits code within Linux.? I know how to install Linux but maybe there is a distro that is best.? Open to any tips/suggestions.? Thanks!

Tyson

On Thu, May 15, 2025 at 8:46?PM Richard Gray via <grayro=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Sabine,
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We are working on that.? We have located a Linux computer and have installed rx2fits.? Next step is to figure out how to run the calibrator at the same time as rx2fits.? Have you done that?? I imagine one just needs to write a python program on linux to communicate with the calibrator, but we haven't done that yet.? Now that exams are finished, we will have more time.
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Best wishes,? Richard


Re: 16 MAY 2025

 

Thanks Duane. An efficient way to present your data.

John




On Friday, May 16, 2025, 8:27 PM, Duane via groups.io <duane919@...> wrote:

Observations from Grafton, WV.
Doing something different tonight (EDT). Some of the files are obvious
Solar and some I have no idea what they are. To see them go to


~Duane






Re: Solar 05/16/2025 Easley, South Carolina

 

Bill:
? ? ? Thanks for the great?research. Until told otherwise, we can call it a SID. Have a restful evening.

John




On Friday, May 16, 2025, 8:05 PM, bsneed1 via groups.io <bsneed1@...> wrote:

Thanks John, I caught all of yours and a few more besides...
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Regarding 15May SIDs.....I spent an hour or two searching various SID databases. A number of monitors reported sharp spike in the reception of a number of the VLF stations between about 1717 and 1730 UTC....IF (BIG IF) I understand correctly these spike often indicate a SID. So your guess for that one is probably correct.....
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.....bill.....


16 MAY 2025

 

Observations from Grafton, WV.
Doing something different tonight (EDT). Some of the files are obvious Solar and some I have no idea what they are. To see them go to

~Duane


Re: Solar 05/16/2025 Easley, South Carolina

 

Thanks John, I caught all of yours and a few more besides...
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Regarding 15May SIDs.....I spent an hour or two searching various SID databases. A number of monitors reported sharp spike in the reception of a number of the VLF stations between about 1717 and 1730 UTC....IF (BIG IF) I understand correctly these spike often indicate a SID. So your guess for that one is probably correct.....
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.....bill.....


Solar Events 16May 2025, Prospect, ME

 

Good evening. Another busy day here with 11 events recorded...attached are the first, one about 1358 and the last, a weak one about 2242...bill.....


Solar 05/16/2025 Easley, South Carolina

 

Good evening:
? ? ?Solar from today.

John


Re: Solar and RF fadeout North Tasmania, Australia

 

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Thank you, Larry

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I will often compare my observations with data from Learmonth (relatively nearby) to at least corroborate them.

In this case the comparison is quite interesting.

I was hoping to compare to 18GHz range from Owens Valley as well, unfortunately no data is available for that period.

?

Kind Regards,

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Luke.

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Larry Dodd via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2025 1:26 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Radio JOVE] Solar and RF fadeout North Tasmania, Australia

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Luke,

Very interesting observation Luke. Your microscopic 8 Mhz spectrograph shows a lot of detail missing in the extremely wide bandwidth Learmouth spectrograph. The solar event at a very high frequency (-100Mhz) is centered on the HF fade out shown in your spectrgtoph and at the bottom of the Learmouth spectrograph. Your observation is an excellent example of comparing a narrowbandwidth to an extremely wide bandwidth.?

Thank you for your observation.

Larry K4LED


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On Wed, May 14, 2025 at 8:30?AM Luke Murphy via <lukepmurphy=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi,

?????? Some weak solar and RF fade out. Also see comparison from Learmonth observatory around the same timeframe.

?

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?

Regards,

? ??????????????????Luke.

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Virus-free.