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New Board Pic 4
I'm going to go over this a couple more times checking for errors but this is the board I am going to send off next. The main change from the first board is the new noise generator. I have to hand build it and test it. Hope that doesn't take me another year. Other improvements may be to use the board edge type SMA jacks and add a power switch on the board edge so the board could hang off of a front panel if wanted. I really have no plans for a cabinet of any type. If anyone has any ideas that they think might be implemented in the board please let me know. Jim
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JoveCal-mini-2 2
So you may remember that over a year ago I showed a small board that I designed to use as a step calibrator. I could not get that board to work after I had assembled one. Without a working prototype I couldn't say that I had designed the board properly though I suspected then, and have since confirmed, that the problem was in soldering the tiny PE4302 ics. So I recently tried again - and again - and again to get the board working. Yesterday I finally (with my last PE4302) I got it working! I have decided to redesign some for the next iteration. The original one used an unproven amp circuit which I have abandoned in favor of MMICs So when I finish designing this new board (which preserves the working attenuator sections of the old board) and get it back from China, I will try to hand assemble it and test it. Then we can get a quote on having the boards made (and populated). I believe the price of this has come way down in the last few years for small orders of assembled boards. Jim
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JoveCal-mini V.0.0.0 4
The board works fine though I forgot to but connectors on the board for the rf cables going to the attenuator modules and it looks terribly messy. I hand placed the surface mount components using solder paste then put the board on a hot plate, monitoring the temperature with a multimeter and heat probe. Now that I know the noise generator and relay works, I will try again to put the attenuator chips on the board. Shame, I have 4 more bare boards that will probably just go in the can unless someone wants them. JS
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Filter settings for SDRplay2RSS to improve cal curve 2
Hi All, I’m trying to adjust my filter and gain settings on the SDRplay RSP1A to get a good dynamic range on the Calibration plot. I’ve increased the gain reduction to 34 and I’ve increased the offset to 58. Any thoughts on how I can adjust the “knobs” to improve the Cal curve? See attached figures --- this is an absolute standard setup, Dual dipole, RSP1A, Mark II calibrator with updated firmware, Win 10 Pro computer running RSS 2.9.77. This is my traveling setup for the eclipse, now setup in my backyard. Any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks, Chuck
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JOVE Cal 1 Manual Version 2 11
This makes much clearer the use of SDRuno and the NSC program to calibrate the unit. https://radiosky.com/jovecal/JOVE_Cal1_Manual_V2.pdf Still some work to do.
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More construction questions from John Cox 21
All: 1) I have assembled the grounding plate using the supplied two 6” X 9” copper circuit boards. I do not think I could get a respectable cut of the copper with the tools I have available. I overlapped them slightly. To make sure the grounding is adequate, considering running a bead of solder along the overlap line? 2) I have not attached the grounding plate to the cabinet yet in the event it needs to be moved around a bit. 3) Does the NANO and the base need to be electrically isolated, or can I sit the base directly on the grounding place. 4) I think Jim mentioned using hot glue for some of the attachment. In what settings is this kosher? Use glue on the NANO? Thanks, John Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
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Cal 1 Beginnings
All: It begins. Follows is an initial salvo of questions. I will strive to remain efficient and organized. 1. The parts included two 6 inch X 9 inch copper-plated circuit boards. I plan to fashion them to cover the floor of the cabinet, overlapping a bit in the middle to fit. 2. Use 6 in number, one-half inch metal (not brass, came with the parts collection) stand-offs to attach the circuit boards to the cabinet. 3. Use the short, supplied jumpers to attach the copper ground plane to the front and back cabinet panels. Use the stand-offs as the site to connect the jumpers to the ground plane. 4. Hold on cutting holes in the cabinet front panel (for switches, LCD, etc) for now to prevent internal component spacing problems. Wisely suggested by Jim. 5. Next target is the NANO. Please critique strongly. Standing by. John Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
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Jove Cal 1 Manual 4
This update includes instructions for both types of relays. The performance hit for the inexpensive relay is minor, but some may want the more expensive Ducommun RF relay. I also put a copy on the website: http://radiosky.com/jovecal/JOVECal1_Manual.pdf I will be in Hawaii for most of July. Aloha, JS
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Update - Dynamic Range Plot - JC1 Beta1
Perfection. JC1 Beta1. Larry
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FYI Sample Dynamic Range Plot on JC1 Beta1
All, FYI Latest flat dynamic range plot of a pro SDR on JC1 Beta1 Thanks Jim. Larry
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Antenna / Calibrator switch 15
I have ordered a relay like Larry's Ducommun SMA relay. It costs $30 shipped. I also ordered some MOSFET switch modules to control the 12V lines. I think the nicer relay Larry chose is so much more appealing than my cheap, hacked version. Simpler to implement. You don't have to make anything. Its just a little more wiring. The more I have thought about it, the more convinced I was that this is a better choice. So Larry, how do you feel about that? Jim
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Using the JC1 Calibrator for Chareterization. 3
Dick, Jim, All, See image below. Using latest SDRuno version 1.42 1014, Receiver is an RSP1A, JC1 Beta 1 Calibrator. Tips, Run a characterization at a low 10 MHz setting a few times first. Ignore the results.Then increase the attenuation as needed. Here I'm at 24.4 dBm. Be sure SDRuno is in "PLAY" mode. Select "15 Meter band". It lights up green. If you see signals in the spectrograph the antenna switch is connecting the receiver to the antenna. That will give you an erroneous characterization. You want the antenna switch connected to the "calibrator" so click the RESET button until the changing signals go away. Click on characterize. You will see the frequency on the SDRuno changing with each step along with the frequency steps in the Characterization program. Hope this helps. Larry
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Cold Start Test of JC1 7
Hi Folks, Below is a picture of a cold start test I ran today. The receiver was warmed up 4 hours before the test to stabilize it. With the unpowered cold JC1 connected and a 50 ohm dummy load antenna the output measured -119.93 dBm. With the power applied to the JC1 and the serial connection made with the computer and dummy load termination -119.71 dBm measured. A 0.2 dB increase. The picture below shows when the relay was engaged and the noise source connected to the receiver. 20 dB of attenuation from the PE4302 modules plus a 6 dB in line attenuator brings the noise source output as close to 100MK as possible. After fully warming up, the output was -79.58 dBm and continued to hold that value until the end of the trial. That is an equivalent temperature of 99.730 MK. That is only one hundredth of a dB from 100MK. I thus recommend a 20 minute warm up before using the JC1. The output is amazingly stable after warm up. I believe the 0.2 dB increase in noise when the unit is powered on is acceptable. After looking closely at my build of the prototype, I don't think I should ship it. It is reliant on a lot of un-washered hardware (screw) connections and I didn't build it with shipping in mind. I have ordered two of these cheap blue cabinets from Amazon and exactly two of the arrived dented. They are not tough. I think it would be unlikely to arrive in the condition I sent it. The MKII on the other hand is built like a little tank. Much tougher. If someone else wants to build a JC1 with shipping in mind, please do, but I cannot afford the time to build another one right now. I am far behind where I hoped to be on the PDS archive. I have to get back to it. If Dave wants to measure the accuracy of the SDRuno measurements with the SDRPlay1As then that might add confidence for some, but I am convinced it is very good.
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Updated JoveCal 1 manual 6
Added layout photo and table with all the connections (minus the RF ones). It is really not that much wiring JS
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JoveCal 1 manual 6
Hi Jim, The documentation is looking nice! A few things noticed in a quick read-through: Page 1, under Purpose, the word "components" is repeated. Page 10, "It should produce its own folder which must be named identically to the main ino file name." Okay, but what's the main ino file name? As opposed to what? Maybe give an example or small screen shot of the directory tree. Page 17, wire jumpers. Never heard of wires that had female ends. Are you talking about those wee pre-fab jumpers with pins on the ends for use on breadboards? But with female ends? Perhaps include a picture and spell that out a little more? -- Dave On 5/12/23 01:39, Jim Sky wrote: > Really - I have to quit being such a tease. >
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JC1 Jove DIY Calibrator
All, The primary goal of the DIY calibrator project was to keep the cost as low as possible. The JC1 protocol DIY calibrator meets that goal. Jim Sky’s goal was to make it low cost, self contained, buildable by most, and with Jim’s new software it can characterize itself based on the SDRuno power meter as suggested by Dick Flagg. There is no need for further characterization and self characterization will be used by each builder. These calibrators are based on hobby level parts and connectors and are not able to withstand shipping trauma. There isn't and never has been a minimum sensitivity goal established for Jove observatories. Currently there is a wide observed variation of spectrographs due to the lack of calibration. JC1 prototype DIY calibrator is the perfect low-cost calibrator to help solve that issue. Any other high-cost versions can be put in our back pocket if for some reason a higher-cost calibrator becomes justified. For the upcoming eclipse project, time is closing in and it takes time to order parts and assemble the calibrator. A survey identifying the number of JC1 prototype DIY units to be constructed would be a good next step. Thanks. Larry K4LED
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Calibration 3
Does this mean that everyone that builds one will have to ship it to Dave for verification? I wish I would have just built the prototype only. I’m thinking I should withdraw the Beta #1 version and Jove can go with the prototype to simplify and speed up the project. Verification didn’t seem necessary with the MK I or II we just accepted it as good enough. We also have to ask why no one else took the initiative to build one. Larry
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Calibrator Beta #1 version
See attached. Larry K4LED
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Noise Source Characterizer program. 26
This is a beta of a program that can use the SDRuno plugin to read the power level and control the frequency of the SDRPlay. There is a pdf with help. The purpose of the program is in that document. The program does not convert to Temperature. I intend to add that. https://radiosky.com/spec/NoiseSourceCharacterizer.exe There is a reference in the help pdf to a noise source construction project that I have not finished writing.(but I'm close).
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Using the Noise Source Characterizer with the Jove Cal Step Calibrator 5
Using the Noise Source Characterizer with the Jove Cal Step Calibrator The Jove Cal 1 (JC1) needs to be calibrated at the maximum output level it will use. For the MKII this was about 100MK, which after being subjected to fourteen 3 dB attenuation steps yields a temperature of 6100 degrees K. which is well below the galactic background levels. This suggests that 100 MK is a reasonable maximum output temperature to shoot for. In the MKII the custom noise module is adjusted to this value during manufacture. JC1 uses a noise source that is much hotter than 100MK, about 7 billion K! A total of 63 dB of attenuation is available from the step attenuator modules in the MKII design. We only need 42 dB of attenuation for our step calibration. The JC1 can use some of the left over 21 dB of attenuation to bring the maximum calibrator output level down to near 100MK. With my JC1 prototype, adding 19 dB of attenuation brought the temperature down to 104MK. The NSC is perfect for determining the amount of attenuation needed. You simply connect NSC to SDRuno using an SDRPlay receiver that is fed by the calibrator. Typing an attenuation level (half dB increments) into NSC's Set Attenuation box and pressing the button updates the attenuation level in the calibrator and the temperature can be read. Hitting the R button after setting each trial attenuation level will expedite your process as it can take several seconds to overwrite your previous moving average. When you are finished making adjustments, click the Reset button in the JOVE Cal Comms box. This will reset the antenna switch in the JC1. You now have two important pieces of information that must be manually input into the RSS calibrator panel; the actual maximum temperature that you achieved, and the attenuation that must be applied to reach this maximum calibration level. Jot these numbers down and close SDRuno and the NSC program. Open RSS and select Calibrate from the top menu. The calibration window will appear. Set the Com Port if it throws an error. Under Options select Set Calibration Point. Enter the maximum calibration level you achieved. You will notice that the scale is redrawn with new temperatures for each calibration step. Select Options / Set Calibrator Min Attenuation. Enter the amount of attenuation you used to achieve the max calibration level you wanted. The Min Attenuation value is stored in the JC1 (always 0 in the MKII) EEPROM. That is it. You can now run calibrations.
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