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Help aligning VFO (Ozark Patrol regen)


 

Hi Ross,

On mine, the Low band tunes 3.90-5.24 MHz; High band tunes 5.46-- ~19 MHz, as you note at least the High band is very wide tuning. Your scheme would probably work but I predict it will take a lot of experimentation to achieve it. Good luck and please let us know how it all turns out.

73,

Steve AA7U

On 4/5/2025 8:10 AM, Ross Tucker (NS7F) via groups.io wrote:
I am building an Ozark Patrol regen. The stock tuning range is very large and I would like to limit it. By default, there is a SPDT switch that adds a parallel capacitance for a second range. My goal is to align the two ranges with the 20 and 40 m bands.

Math shows that I need two fixed capacitors (one in series with the tuning, one in parallel with that) for each band. My thought is to replace the SPDT with a DPDT. I would build the circuit for 20 m and the switch poles would select in the appropriate differences to each fixed capacitor.

Does this seem reasonable? Is this how it's done?




 

Thanks for the feedback! Also, btw: the schematic says L1 is 1.5 uH but 20 turns on a T50-2 is supposed to be 1.96 uH. Any thoughts on that?

On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 11:30 Steve Ratzlaff via <ratzlaffsteve=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Ross,

On mine, the Low band tunes 3.90-5.24 MHz; High band tunes 5.46-- ~19
MHz, as you note at least the High band is very wide tuning. Your scheme
would probably work but I predict it will take a lot of experimentation
to achieve it. Good luck and please let us know how it all turns out.

73,

Steve AA7U

On 4/5/2025 8:10 AM, Ross Tucker (NS7F) via wrote:
> I am building an Ozark Patrol regen. The stock tuning range is very large and I would like to limit it. By default, there is a SPDT switch that adds a parallel capacitance for a second range. My goal is to align the two ranges with the 20 and 40 m bands.
>
> Math shows that I need two fixed capacitors (one in series with the tuning, one in parallel with that) for each band. My thought is to replace the SPDT with a DPDT. I would build the circuit for 20 m and the switch poles would select in the appropriate differences to each fixed capacitor.
>
> Does this seem reasonable? Is this how it's done?
>
>
>
>
>






 

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Hi Ross,

My experience with all iron powder toroids is there are always variations from toroid batch to batch, and actual? inductance can vary quite a bit--one measures the final inductance and adjusts turns and spacing to give the desired inductance.

73,

Steve AA7U

On 4/5/2025 1:49 PM, Ross Tucker (NS7F) via groups.io wrote:

Thanks for the feedback! Also, btw: the schematic says L1 is 1.5 uH but 20 turns on a T50-2 is supposed to be 1.96 uH. Any thoughts on that?

On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 11:30 Steve Ratzlaff via <ratzlaffsteve=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Ross,

On mine, the Low band tunes 3.90-5.24 MHz; High band tunes 5.46-- ~19
MHz, as you note at least the High band is very wide tuning. Your scheme
would probably work but I predict it will take a lot of experimentation
to achieve it. Good luck and please let us know how it all turns out.

73,

Steve AA7U

On 4/5/2025 8:10 AM, Ross Tucker (NS7F) via wrote:
> I am building an Ozark Patrol regen. The stock tuning range is very large and I would like to limit it. By default, there is a SPDT switch that adds a parallel capacitance for a second range. My goal is to align the two ranges with the 20 and 40 m bands.
>
> Math shows that I need two fixed capacitors (one in series with the tuning, one in parallel with that) for each band. My thought is to replace the SPDT with a DPDT. I would build the circuit for 20 m and the switch poles would select in the appropriate differences to each fixed capacitor.
>
> Does this seem reasonable? Is this how it's done?
>
>
>
>
>






 

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I picked a random? T50-2 toroid out of the bag and wound 20 turns #26 with about 3/16" spacing on the ends. On the DE-5000 at 100 kHz test it measures even higher than toroids.info predicts--2.175 uH.????? :)

73,

Steve AA7U

On 4/5/2025 2:50 PM, Steve Ratzlaff wrote:

Hi Ross,

My experience with all iron powder toroids is there are always variations from toroid batch to batch, and actual? inductance can vary quite a bit--one measures the final inductance and adjusts turns and spacing to give the desired inductance.

73,

Steve AA7U

On 4/5/2025 1:49 PM, Ross Tucker (NS7F) via groups.io wrote:
Thanks for the feedback! Also, btw: the schematic says L1 is 1.5 uH but 20 turns on a T50-2 is supposed to be 1.96 uH. Any thoughts on that?

On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 11:30 Steve Ratzlaff via <ratzlaffsteve=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Ross,

On mine, the Low band tunes 3.90-5.24 MHz; High band tunes 5.46-- ~19
MHz, as you note at least the High band is very wide tuning. Your scheme
would probably work but I predict it will take a lot of experimentation
to achieve it. Good luck and please let us know how it all turns out.

73,

Steve AA7U

On 4/5/2025 8:10 AM, Ross Tucker (NS7F) via wrote:
> I am building an Ozark Patrol regen. The stock tuning range is very large and I would like to limit it. By default, there is a SPDT switch that adds a parallel capacitance for a second range. My goal is to align the two ranges with the 20 and 40 m bands.
>
> Math shows that I need two fixed capacitors (one in series with the tuning, one in parallel with that) for each band. My thought is to replace the SPDT with a DPDT. I would build the circuit for 20 m and the switch poles would select in the appropriate differences to each fixed capacitor.
>
> Does this seem reasonable? Is this how it's done?
>
>
>
>
>






 

Fascinating! I guess build-and-measure really is the?way to go. I'll try watching the oscillator on our scope this week.

On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 16:17 Steve Ratzlaff via <ratzlaffsteve=[email protected]> wrote:

I picked a random? T50-2 toroid out of the bag and wound 20 turns #26 with about 3/16" spacing on the ends. On the DE-5000 at 100 kHz test it measures even higher than predicts--2.175 uH.????? :)

73,

Steve AA7U

On 4/5/2025 2:50 PM, Steve Ratzlaff wrote:

Hi Ross,

My experience with all iron powder toroids is there are always variations from toroid batch to batch, and actual? inductance can vary quite a bit--one measures the final inductance and adjusts turns and spacing to give the desired inductance.

73,

Steve AA7U

On 4/5/2025 1:49 PM, Ross Tucker (NS7F) via wrote:
Thanks for the feedback! Also, btw: the schematic says L1 is 1.5 uH but 20 turns on a T50-2 is supposed to be 1.96 uH. Any thoughts on that?

On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 11:30 Steve Ratzlaff via <ratzlaffsteve=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Ross,

On mine, the Low band tunes 3.90-5.24 MHz; High band tunes 5.46-- ~19
MHz, as you note at least the High band is very wide tuning. Your scheme
would probably work but I predict it will take a lot of experimentation
to achieve it. Good luck and please let us know how it all turns out.

73,

Steve AA7U

On 4/5/2025 8:10 AM, Ross Tucker (NS7F) via wrote:
> I am building an Ozark Patrol regen. The stock tuning range is very large and I would like to limit it. By default, there is a SPDT switch that adds a parallel capacitance for a second range. My goal is to align the two ranges with the 20 and 40 m bands.
>
> Math shows that I need two fixed capacitors (one in series with the tuning, one in parallel with that) for each band. My thought is to replace the SPDT with a DPDT. I would build the circuit for 20 m and the switch poles would select in the appropriate differences to each fixed capacitor.
>
> Does this seem reasonable? Is this how it's done?
>
>
>
>
>






 

Are you sure the 5.24 and 5.46 aren't swapped? I calculated that the minimum capacitance of the circuit is -78 pF...

On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 11:30 Steve Ratzlaff via <ratzlaffsteve=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Ross,

On mine, the Low band tunes 3.90-5.24 MHz; High band tunes 5.46-- ~19
MHz, as you note at least the High band is very wide tuning. Your scheme
would probably work but I predict it will take a lot of experimentation
to achieve it. Good luck and please let us know how it all turns out.

73,

Steve AA7U

On 4/5/2025 8:10 AM, Ross Tucker (NS7F) via wrote:
> I am building an Ozark Patrol regen. The stock tuning range is very large and I would like to limit it. By default, there is a SPDT switch that adds a parallel capacitance for a second range. My goal is to align the two ranges with the 20 and 40 m bands.
>
> Math shows that I need two fixed capacitors (one in series with the tuning, one in parallel with that) for each band. My thought is to replace the SPDT with a DPDT. I would build the circuit for 20 m and the switch poles would select in the appropriate differences to each fixed capacitor.
>
> Does this seem reasonable? Is this how it's done?
>
>
>
>
>






 

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Yes, that's what mine does, as I wrote (not swapped).

Steve

On 4/5/2025 6:17 PM, Ross Tucker (NS7F) via groups.io wrote:

Are you sure the 5.24 and 5.46 aren't swapped? I calculated that the minimum capacitance of the circuit is -78 pF...

On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 11:30 Steve Ratzlaff via <ratzlaffsteve=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Ross,

On mine, the Low band tunes 3.90-5.24 MHz; High band tunes 5.46-- ~19
MHz, as you note at least the High band is very wide tuning. Your scheme
would probably work but I predict it will take a lot of experimentation
to achieve it. Good luck and please let us know how it all turns out.

73,

Steve AA7U

On 4/5/2025 8:10 AM, Ross Tucker (NS7F) via wrote:
> I am building an Ozark Patrol regen. The stock tuning range is very large and I would like to limit it. By default, there is a SPDT switch that adds a parallel capacitance for a second range. My goal is to align the two ranges with the 20 and 40 m bands.
>
> Math shows that I need two fixed capacitors (one in series with the tuning, one in parallel with that) for each band. My thought is to replace the SPDT with a DPDT. I would build the circuit for 20 m and the switch poles would select in the appropriate differences to each fixed capacitor.
>
> Does this seem reasonable? Is this how it's done?
>
>
>
>
>






 

My ancient AADE L/C meter takes care of differences in toroid mix and capacitor values.? A NanoVNA follows and helps me get my filters looking just like the calculated printouts.
?
John,? k0ebc


 

I've observed the same thing. The ability to do accurate L & C measurements can make trimmers unnecessary. Also, when you're close but not exactly there, you can use LTspice or other simulation software to see if you're close enough.

73

Nick, WA5BDU


On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 7:42?PM John RC via <amradebc=[email protected]> wrote:
My ancient AADE L/C meter takes care of differences in toroid mix and capacitor values.? A NanoVNA follows and helps me get my filters looking just like the calculated printouts.
?
John,? k0ebc