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Re: Earliest example of Manhattan construction?
I thought of this thread when I found something in my notes headed "Birth of Manhattan Style?". It was in reference to a QST article of May? 1972 called "Some 2-meter solid-state RF power amplifier circuits" by K7QWR.? He stated that rather than etching the board for all connections, he attached some pieces of board material to the top of the board for transistor connections.
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Re: Digi-key
Wow, great issue.? I was going to try to track down that legendary keyer but you saved me the trouble. I'd recently been researching early keyer designs while I was engaged in my Accu-Keyer project, but I missed this one. And wow, I had no?idea that QRP was such a hot topic in 1968. In this issue, there's both a 40 meter, 1-watt transceiver, and a "milli-gallon" (1 watt) 15 meter amplifier by Wes Hayward. And as a bonus, an RTTY audio filter by Ed Weatherhold W3NQN with his 88 mH telephone toroids. Also of interest is that the electronic projects are all solid-state. I noted that the keyer used the 2N4888 high voltage PNP for grid block keying. Same thing the Accu-Keyer used a half dozen years later. So these things propagate. 73 Nick On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 4:01?PM Gerald Wolczanski via <jerrywlinux=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Digi-key
Tumbling down the digi-key internet rabbit hole - I came across the April 1968 edition of QST which featured the digi-key keyer.? See:
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Astounded at the difference between this 1968 issue and the current QSTs.
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Also, this site seems to be an infinitely better dive into the QST archives than currently provided by the ARRL.? This is not intended to be a slam on the league, which provides a pretty nice search feature....but holy cow!
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Re: LT Spice Alternatives
Karl,
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Thanks for sharing you video. I looked at Spice many years ago and found it too confusing. Your video inspired me to take another look, so I downloaded the LT to my Mac.?
When I started and found a blank screen with no toolbar, I said uh-oh and thought maybe not.?
analog Devices sent an email a moment ago with some helpful information. One thing is a .pdf with all the shortcuts for both Windows and Apple users. Just what I needed! I will now proceed to battle this beast lol.?
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Newt
N4EWT
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Re: LT Spice Alternatives
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The problems I was having were, as I mentioned, getting LT Spice to "properly" display/plotting of a filter. Ironically,? the video that Karl made directly addressed the LPF I was working on. Then, by extension, his explanation pointed out that it addressed the means of how he did it. More to the point, it was how to set up the analysis to yield the results.
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I am now reviewing the video as it is loaded with juicy tidbits. I am most grateful to both of you for assistance!
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William, k6whp -------------------- "Cheer up, things could get worse. So I cheered up and things got worse." |
f_T fixture and cheap transistors [long]
Gang,
1.? First of all you are going to need something like the following RF probe to measure the output of the f_T tester we have been discussing in previous posts. There are a lot of RF probes that use the one diode, a 4.7M resistor and ....? For this project I wanted more sensitivity. RF probe? <> The reason for this is that I find that with the Rigol scope there is some jitter on the max values of the output from the CAL and OUTPUT.? I am going to use the probe and an analog VTVM, B+K Model 177 VTVM, for a more steady reading.??? This meter I found at a swapmeet for $20 USD and I refurbished to like new.? Big meter. 2.? You will need the f_T fixture found at f_T fixture <> Copyright by Charles Wenzel.? No call sign that I see. This will now allow you to check all your transistor stock, old and new (see below), and document your builds. Call it f_T#1 by CW for your measurements using the original unmodified version. Now make your measurements according to the instructions in the schematic.? V_in=1.0V_pk or 0.707V_RMS.? Whatever voltage you get a CAL, and it may not be 100mV, make that the voltage out, V_OUT, to increase f_input to match.? Then multiply the f_in by 20 to get f_T.? Easy as pie.? They just need to match. The value is not critical. 3.? [Advanced]? Now, Steve, AA7U, and I have mods to the fixture. Simple.? Change the 150ohm resistor from V_cc to the 1K and 82ohm node to a variable resistor.? I used a 2K and Steve uses a 500 ohm variable.? The 500 will work better, but I didn't have one. Use this variable to adjust the bias to get 10mA through the 100ohm emitter resistor for the transistor you are testing.? Since Steve and I are doing measurements for the V_ce in the spec sheet, we have a variable lab supply for the 5V source and we vary it to get the V_ce in the datasheet and adjust the variable R to get 10mA. You measure V_c, the collector voltage to ground, subtract 1.0V to get V_ce.? This is going to be like adjusting a regen receiver. Also, use a SPDT switch and just switch V_CAL and V_OUT to your voltage measurement scope or meter so you won't be moving leads back and forth.? Idea from Steve, AA7U.? Speeds things up. 4.? Cheap transistors. <> I have the 1,000 2N3904 NPN transistors received yesterday.? Using the f_T#1 configuration, so that you can compare your 2N3904s to these, here is what I get.? The cost was $14.64 USD from the site.? He has about 50,000,000 left, so rush and get yours before they run out.? There are some other transistors there and 1,000x2N7000 JFETs for $23.89+$7.94S&H. Now I did the following measurements as a first pass test to determine how critical the V_ce voltage is to the resulting f_T.? It does matter. Also, I'm using the Rigol scope, so mileage may vary until I can get round to it using the diode probe and eliminate the small jitter. V_cc replaces the 5V supply in the schematic. V_c is voltage from the collector of the DUT to ground. V_ce is 1.0V subtracted from V_c, since there is a 1.0V drop across the 100 ohm emitter resistor due to 10.0mA current through it. V_cc?? ? ? I_C??? ? ?? V_c???? V_ce?????? f_T 5.25V? 10.0mA? 1.58V ? 0.58V? ? ----? couldn't get a match V_OUT too low 9.00V? 10.0mA?? 5.42V? 4.42V?? 104MHz 12.0V? 10.0mA?? 8.44V? 7.44V?? 142MHz 23.6V? 10.0mA? 21.00V 20.0V?? 176MHz h_FE=331 as measured on the Chinese Critter Checker h_FE between 100 min and 300 max on Philips Semiconductor datasheet at I_C=10.0mA. Don't know what the emitter current is in the tester, not sure it's a valid comparison. f_T is shown to be 300MHz minimum in the datasheet. Because the h_FE=331 value, I'd expect the f_T value to be lower, but by how much is a guess.? At f_T=176MHz, the transistors should be good enough for up to 0.1*f_T or so, but that is to be determined.? For smaller quantities and better quality, you may want to shop around.? I'm just pointing out how cheap these things were and I have a large number of projects to experiment using them in.? It would be a waste to not use them up. They came in 12 days from the order date. These are the transistors I plan on using for the Manhattan projects. Attached is photo of bag open containing the 2N4401 critters. FYI -- chuck adams, aa7fo QRP WAS 17m started Apr 2, 2025 WAS-17 QRP --> TX,FL,SC,GA,OK,AR,KS,AL,AZ,MN PA,CA,CO,WI,NE,ID,IL,NC,NY,AL MA,OH DXCC W,VE,JA,PY,ZL |
QRPBuilder at FDIM
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The QRPBuilder magnetically attached Iambic and Single lever Paddles are now back in stock. Also, this will be our fifth year at the Dayton FDIM vendor night on Thursday May 15, with all our products available. We hope to see you there.
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Ken - WA4MNT
Karen - KF4EEL qrpbuilder.com
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Re: cheap aliexpress LC100a = $13 paperweight?
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 06:52 AM, Stephen Tremblay wrote:
Here is an article on how to improve the LC100A.? ?
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Thanks Stephen.? Doug posting that article yesterday is what got me leaning toward fix it and keep it.? Seeing it again has pushed me 99% over the fence.
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Re: cheap aliexpress LC100a = $13 paperweight?
On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 05:43 AM, Michael Maiorana wrote:
Thanks Mike.? Do you remember what you replaced L1 with?? The more I read it looks like the less the value matters.? I now have a folder full of different cal routines and will probably try them all.
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Re: cheap aliexpress LC100a = $13 paperweight?
Here is an article on how to improve the LC100A.? On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 6:36?PM Doug W via <dougwilner=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: cheap aliexpress LC100a = $13 paperweight?
Doug, I bought one of these about 5 years ago. I replaced the L1 toroid immediately and got reasonable results. I can tell you that a big improvement came by using a rather convoluted calibration procedure that I read somewhere out on the Internet. With the "updated" procedure, my device gave quite good results. If you're curious, I can post that info, but I'd have to find it first. I replaced this meter with a DE-5000 meter, so I have little use for the AliExpress device. Good luck! 73 Mike M. KU4QO On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 1:39?PM Doug W via <dougwilner=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: LT Spice Alternatives
Hi William,
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I am glad my video helped a bit. I am no expert in LTSpice, I use it as a tool (just like I don¡¯t need to know the metallurgical ins and outs of building a hammer in order to use it ;) ), but if you have questions, I will certainly try to answer them.?
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Re: SolderSmoke DC Receiver Challenge
On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 08:51 PM, bill K7WXW wrote:
The fellow who sold it to me just wanted it out of his storage shed, so I got the whole thing for a hundred fifty bucks, which I was willing to pay for the cabinet, let alone the drawers of semiconductors, capacitors, nixie tubes, connectors, and assorted hardware it was stuffed with.? It was definitely the premier find from my days of haunting swapfests/craiglist/garagesales, looking for parts from the 70s, 80s, and 90s.What a deal! That must have been fun, going through all the parts when you got home. ?
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Re: LT Spice Alternatives
Karl and Nick,
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It was I who dropped the original post asking about alternatives to LT Spice. Because I don't like to clutter up the threads, if someone does not respond after a day or two, I drop the message.
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In this case, Karl, I am most grateful you provided your response and underlying video. Please know that your video provided a great deal of answers. Actually, it almost directly addressed my grief with LT Spice. Turns out I was having fits with the plotting that LT did and the resulting scales. FOR THE LIFE OF ME, I could not get the starting point, ending point, and ticks of an LPF analysis to cover the full desired range. That said, it lies in the type of analyes done, and the octaves (harmonics) options.?
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I've saved your video, Karl, and careful review should amp up my skill level with LT Spice greatly.
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A side remark, at approximately 1:10 in the video, you remarked that LT Spice was designed by engineers explaining the raggedy interface as opposed to software designed by someone used to creating "normal human" interfaces.
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I am a software developer of over 45 years and remember wondering why Fortran was so obtuse versus the COBOL or C/C++ or other code I wrote! So then there's that!
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Thanks again for your wonderful video and your time and help! I might offer some meager payback:
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..it is a filter design tool somewhat like but not as complete as ELSIE. However, it designs complex filters and also offers to two options/conveniences:
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(1) Will allow one to choose "standard" versus "exact" component values
(2) And allow the designed filters to be exported as either "Spice" or "QUCS" models.
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Vielen dank fur die hilfe! My gratitude for the Rosetta Stone. If OK, I'd like to bounce some questions off you as the mysteries clear.
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Re: cheap aliexpress LC100a = $13 paperweight?
On Wed, Apr 23, 2025 at 07:39 PM, Tom - VE3PSZ wrote:
Doug how long are your test leads? ?
I am using the factory supplied 20cm(ish) leads.
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Re: cheap aliexpress LC100a = $13 paperweight?
Let us know how it goes.? I bought one too but "maybe luckily" can't find it.? I think I only paid $10.00 with free shipping. Jim WB4ILP? On Wed, Apr 23, 2025, 6:36 PM Doug W via <dougwilner=[email protected]> wrote:
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Re: Mighty Mike Transmitter
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI don't see the feedback path to cause the crystal to oscillate.? If Q2 is supposed to be a Colpitts oscillator, it is not correct and missing the feedback capacitors from base to emitter and emitter to ground.? If you remove C1 and replace it with a 220 pF capacitor, and add a 100 pF capacitor from the base to the emitter it will probably oscillate.? You might have to experiment with the size of R3 to set the drive output of the Q2 circuit.Hope this helps, Jim, K8IQY On 4/23/2025 6:25 PM, Steve Z via
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