Re: Some KayPro 2s >>>> Osborne 1
Gary,
I've still got mine (around here somewhere). Loved the undocumented feature in the early kits - missing pullups on either the adx or data lines. I can't recall which now but it fuddeled me for a while.
Never did understand why they had so much memory.
Dick, N7XKC
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----- Original Message ----- From: "wb6ogd" <garywinblad@...> To: < [email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2018 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [qrp-tech] Some KayPro 2s >>>> Osborne 1 Dick,
No, but I DID! My very first home computer ;-)
I started my career at National Semi. They sold off a little development kit at the
company store...
A National calculator case (keyboard and 7segment LED display), about half a dozen
logic chips, wire-wrap sockets and tools...
A whooping 256bytes of program memory IIRC. Writing in assembly, hand assembling,
punching in hex on the keyboard and reading the hex output on the LEDs.
A W9TO style keyer and a reel-to-reel tape(didn't have a cassette) storage system were the two big projects
I was able to.. but it was great fun.
73,
Gary
WB6OGD
On 7/28/2018 11:11 AM, Richard L. Wurdack wrote:
Any of youse guys have a SCMP?
Dick, N7XKC
----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Fimiani via Groups.Io" <myamiphil@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2018 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [qrp-tech] Some KayPro 2s >>>> Osborne 1
Boy we're going back a ways.... My first computer was an Osborne 1 (blue case) Came with all the software one would want. I bought JRT Pascal for it too... I upgraded to double density and a video interface... Got rid of the amber (Heathkit ) video display. Still bha ve it and all the software. It needs some TLC. The drives need calibration. I was planning to gut the case and convert to a
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Re: Some KayPro 2s >>>> Osborne 1
Dick,
No, but I DID!? My very first home computer?? ;-)
I started my career at National Semi.? They sold off a little development kit at the
company store...
A National calculator case (keyboard and 7segment LED display), about half a dozen
logic chips, wire-wrap sockets and tools...
A whooping 256bytes of program memory IIRC.? Writing in assembly, hand assembling,
punching in hex on the keyboard and reading the hex output on the LEDs.
A W9TO style keyer and a reel-to-reel tape(didn't have a cassette) storage system were the two big projects
I was able to..? but it was great fun.
73,
Gary
WB6OGD
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On 7/28/2018 11:11 AM, Richard L. Wurdack wrote: Any of youse guys have a SCMP?
Dick, N7XKC
----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Fimiani via Groups.Io" <myamiphil@...>
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Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2018 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [qrp-tech] Some KayPro 2s >>>> Osborne 1
Boy we're going back a ways.... My first computer was an Osborne 1 (blue case) Came with all the software one would want. I bought JRT Pascal for it too... I upgraded to double density and a video interface... Got rid of the amber (Heathkit ) video display. Still bha ve it and all the software.? It needs some TLC. The drives need calibration. I was planning to gut the case and convert to a
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Re: FREE (plus shipping) to a good home: Some KayPro 2s
And what about the "portable" Commodore 64 with the color screen? I was lucky enough to pick up two of them cheap back when and used one as a packet station for years. If I remember correctly it even had a built in floppy drive.
Dave K8WPE
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On Jul 29, 2018, at 2:55 AM, Larry Head <l.head@...> wrote:
First "computer" I ever owned was a Commodore 64( 64k of RAM not megs) Wrote programs in basic on a 5 1/2" floppy disk for it. I'd hate to tell you what I paid for that system back then.
Larry VA3NU
On Jul 29, 2018, at 1:54 AM, k6whp <k6whp@...> wrote:
Hate to open up a new can of worms, but anyone remember the VIC-20 and the Commodore 64, A.K.A. "The Commode Door 64"
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Re: FREE (plus shipping) to a good home: Some KayPro 2s
First "computer" I ever owned was a Commodore 64( 64k of RAM not megs) Wrote programs in basic on a 5 1/2" floppy disk for it. I'd hate to tell you what I paid for that system back then.
Larry VA3NU
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On Jul 29, 2018, at 1:54 AM, k6whp <k6whp@...> wrote:
Hate to open up a new can of worms, but anyone remember the VIC-20 and the Commodore 64, A.K.A. "The Commode Door 64"
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Re: FREE (plus shipping) to a good home: Some KayPro 2s
?I still have my Commodore PET. Model 8032.? It was ?an awesome beast with ?a 6502. 73, Faisal VA3SFA ? Original Message ? From: k6whp Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2018 22:54 To: [email protected]Reply To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [qrp-tech] FREE (plus shipping) to a good home: Some KayPro 2s Hate to open up a new can of worms, but anyone remember the VIC-20 and the Commodore 64, A.K.A. "The Commode Door 64"? O.K. then, how about the AIR-1? -- William, K6WHP "Cheer up, things could get worse..so I cheered up and, sure enough, things got worse!"
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Hate to open up a new can of worms, but anyone remember the VIC-20 and the Commodore 64, A.K.A. "The Commode Door 64"?
O.K. then, how about the AIR-1?
--
William, K6WHP
"Cheer up, things could get worse..so I cheered up and, sure enough, things got worse!"
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Re: FREE (plus shipping) to a good home: Some KayPro 2s
You could tell a hardcore programmer by the "binary blisters" on the index finger from flipping and depositing data in the Altair memory:
The cassette tape interface was a wonder!
Jack, W8TEE
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On Saturday, July 28, 2018, 10:08:39 PM EDT, Darrell Collins <dcollins338@...> wrote:
Yes, and the Hittites, Mycenaean, Minoans, Cypriots, Egyptians. But it
was all over by about 1175 BC.
The Zero Point was Don Lancaster's magazine article "TV Typewriter" that
started it all rolling, the Mark 8 a few months later, all home built,
8008 processor at an astounding 500KC clock speed, not a kit, you find
all the parts, and? not seen on TV. Boards were double sided WITHOUT
plated through holes, solder both sides of leads.
Soon after Motorola "6800 Eval Board", built a couple of them for the
Community College I was attending ( and later taught at) and the "Big
Board of Texas" Z80. Had an IMSAI 8800 by then, paid almost $2K for a
single 8" floppy drive, and later another 1K to upgrade it to two
drives, with 65K of memory (who would ever need more?).
Lots of TTY printers and KSR's for I/O. I finally put an ADM 3 together
from a kit to get quieter operation. And who doesn't want to forget
soldering all those connectors on a Godbout 22 position S-100 back plane?
Then MS and Apple came and the skys darkened ..........
T'was a friendly group then, willing to help anyone without judgment.??
Things simple enough that you could explain it to someone and they might
even understand.
Darrell
WA7DSV
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Yes, and the Hittites, Mycenaean, Minoans, Cypriots, Egyptians. But it was all over by about 1175 BC.
The Zero Point was Don Lancaster's magazine article "TV Typewriter" that started it all rolling, the Mark 8 a few months later, all home built, 8008 processor at an astounding 500KC clock speed, not a kit, you find all the parts, and? not seen on TV. Boards were double sided WITHOUT plated through holes, solder both sides of leads.
Soon after Motorola "6800 Eval Board", built a couple of them for the Community College I was attending ( and later taught at) and the "Big Board of Texas" Z80. Had an IMSAI 8800 by then, paid almost $2K for a single 8" floppy drive, and later another 1K to upgrade it to two drives, with 65K of memory (who would ever need more?).
Lots of TTY printers and KSR's for I/O. I finally put an ADM 3 together from a kit to get quieter operation. And who doesn't want to forget soldering all those connectors on a Godbout 22 position S-100 back plane?
Then MS and Apple came and the skys darkened ..........
T'was a friendly group then, willing to help anyone without judgment.?? Things simple enough that you could explain it to someone and they might even understand.
Darrell
WA7DSV
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Those things from Hammond work great and reasonably priced.
John
KC9OJV
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Re: allpcb, pcbway, etc 100mm x 100mm
I've done arrays of the same design with ALLPCB with no problems in the past.
My backup plan was just to run a few traces between between the different
designs.
I never really understood why they care what's inside the purchased area if they
don't have to do any cutting, scoring, or routing.
John? W1JDS
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Re: Some KayPro 2s >>>> Osborne 1
Didn't have that.... Wordstar, Supercalc, Dbase II and CPM 2.2?Would have been fun to have that though. Best Regards Phil KD2HTN / WA2069SWL Long: 34.210293 Lat:-78.057048 FM04xf 30dl ______________________________ From: Jack Purdum via Groups.Io <jjpurdum@...> To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2018 1:24 PM Subject: Re: [qrp-tech] Some KayPro 2s >>>> Osborne 1 My software company, Ecosoft, did a deal with Adam Osborne where he bought the rights to distribute my statistics package (Microstat) with his computers. I wonder if yours is one that has the software? Jack, W8TEE ? ? On Saturday, July 28, 2018, 12:42:32 PM EDT, Phillip Fimiani via Groups.Io <myamiphil@...> wrote: Boy we're going back a ways.... My first computer was an Osborne 1 (blue case) Came with all the software one would want. I bought JRT Pascal for it too... I upgraded to double density and a video interface... Got rid of the amber (Heathkit ) video display. Still bha ve it and all the software.? It needs some TLC. The drives need calibration. I was planning to gut the case and convert to a RF science computer... w/ USB SDR receivers for HF, another receiver for LF, Rasbi Pi SBC, HD's, LCD display, an alt/az controller to run a universal tripod mount to be used for visual astronomy, radio astronomy, satellite comms (AMSAT) (solar and Jupiter studies.) etc etc..? A Natural Radio platform.? If I start the process I'll have the CPU bd available to give away. Also had a AIM65 SBC that I got when going to the class for the Rockwell 6502. . That (sadly) went to the trash one day... another retireeee with way too many hobbies and interests... Phil, KD2HTN
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Re: Some KayPro 2s >>>> Osborne 1
Paul,
The PDP-8f 24K of real core. Runs great never forgets.
I also have 16K of core for LSI-11. Required a hex wide backplane.
I started with 2708s, never cheap pain to program. Then again the first memory used
was in the state machine (not a cpu) and the part was the 1101 they were 16$ (1973$)
each slower than anything 1.5uS and only 256bits.
Imagine in 1976 a backplane with 48K of 2102 (1kx1) 384 of them total on 6 boards
and could they throw heat! Cost for them was around 1200$ in 1976 dollars. Memory
was costly.
Same for the early floppy drives the SA400 was $499 in late 76, a weeks pay!
It was 1980 when the first SA506 (5MB!) 5.25" hard drive hit $499 and a S100
controller was another $499. Write your own CP/M 2 BIOS for it.
By late 1980 I was pushing Z80s to 6mhz, had 256k of Eprom as a read only disk,
512K as a ram disk, hard disk and two sizes of floppy (8 and 5.25) the backplane
had a single 64k card early that year and 256K with a MMU. Ran CP/M V2.2 FB.
Whats FB? Rewrote a bit of the system to have a second task as a background job.
I don't mean a printer buffer or some such, that was done by a 8085 on the bus.
Up till then I t was bleeding edge, I got tired of the cuts. ;)
However I didn't adopt PC hardware till the mid 90s. too slow and clunky, the
PDP-11/23 and RT-11 was far faster till it became a slave to the MicroVAX.
Those were the days. Then Arduino and Rpi happened, wooha were off and
running again.
Allison
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Re: allpcb, pcbway, etc 100mm x 100mm
Chuck, et al,
If they *do* object, ask individuals in the group to submit the quadrants and coordinate the results for those interested.
--
William, K6WHP
"Cheer up, things could get worse..so I cheered up and, sure enough, things got worse!"
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Re: Some KayPro 2s >>>> Osborne 1
Ah limited memory. Back in the late 70s I worked on a traffic signal controller based on a Cosmac 1802 (see Allison's post). The board had 128 bytes of RAM and four sockets for 2716 EPROMs. However, when we started on the project, 2716s cost $50 each so management said we could only use one on each board. After a few months the price dropped to $25 each so we were allowed to use two 2716s on each board. After a few more months, the price dropped to $5 per 2716 so we could go hog wild.
Also I have a DG Nova with real core memory and a front panel full of toggle switches and incandescent bulbs in the basement. It did work when I acquired it over 30 years ago but I have no idea what state it is in now.
73 de Paul (VA6PW)
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On 28/07/2018 1:18 PM, Jack Purdum via Groups.Io wrote: When I was teaching a Butler, I got an NSF grant to study "microcomputers in education". The week-long class was taught by Larsen and Rony of Bugbook fame. Each person in the class got a Kim-1, which was a 6800-based "microcomputer" with a 6 digit LED display and 1024 bytes of memory, of which the first 256 bytes were treated as registers for the 6800. Each of us had to write some form of program on it as a class assignment. I remember thinking how cool is was to have all that room for my assembler program. Back in the late 70's it cost about $250!
Jack, W8TEE
On Saturday, July 28, 2018, 3:11:02 PM EDT, ajparent1/kb1gmx <kb1gmx@...> wrote:
I have a early Altair and more than 53 other systems including:
Northstar Horizon (2)
Compupro 8/16
CCS 2xxx series (system box all CCS boards)
6800D1
SC/MP
Technico Super starter system (TI9900)
Cosmac 1802
Kim-1
IMSAI IMP-48
Netronics explorer 8085
Osborne 1
AmproLB+
SB180+ SCSI controller
BCC180
Visual 1050 (3)
Kaypro 2 and a 4/84
RS Model 1
NEC PC8201
Epson PX8 with wedges
PDP-8f
Several? Qbus PDP11 (from LSI11 though 11/73)
A slew of MicroVAX systems Mix of Qbus and 3100 series
I will not go into the software, let us just say, a lot.
All operating or operable.
And programming and design experience with i8008!
Allison
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Re: Some KayPro 2s >>>> Osborne 1
It was a 6502, sorry 'bout that.
Jack, W8TEE
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On Saturday, July 28, 2018, 3:35:53 PM EDT, chuck adams <chuck.adams.k7qo@...> wrote: On 07/28/2018 12:18 PM, Jack Purdum via Groups.Io wrote: ? When I was teaching a Butler, I got an NSF grant to study "microcomputers in education". The week-long class was taught by Larsen and Rony of Bugbook fame. Each person in the class got a Kim-1, which was a 6800-based "microcomputer" with a 6 digit LED display and 1024 bytes of memory, of which the first 256 bytes were treated as registers for the 6800. Each of us had to write some form of program on it as a class assignment. I remember thinking how cool is was to have all that room for my assembler program. Back in the late 70's it cost about $250!
Jack, W8TEE
Jack, The memory must be slipping. I remember it being a 6502 processor.? Had one at one time. Wife put it into a frame with a glass front.? At the bottom, below the KIM-1, was a brass plate that said "In case of emergency, break glass." chuck, k7qo
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On 07/28/2018 12:18 PM, Jack Purdum via Groups.Io wrote: When I was teaching a Butler, I got an NSF grant to study "microcomputers in education". The week-long class was taught by Larsen and Rony of Bugbook fame. Each person in the class got a Kim-1, which was a 6800-based "microcomputer" with a 6 digit LED display and 1024 bytes of memory, of which the first 256 bytes were treated as registers for the 6800. Each of us had to write some form of program on it as a class assignment. I remember thinking how cool is was to have all that room for my assembler program. Back in the late 70's it cost about $250!
Jack, W8TEE
Jack, The memory must be slipping. I remember it being a 6502 processor.? Had one at one time. Wife put it into a frame with a glass front.? At the bottom, below the KIM-1, was a brass plate that said "In case of emergency, break glass." chuck, k7qo
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When I was teaching a Butler, I got an NSF grant to study "microcomputers in education". The week-long class was taught by Larsen and Rony of Bugbook fame. Each person in the class got a Kim-1, which was a 6800-based "microcomputer" with a 6 digit LED display and 1024 bytes of memory, of which the first 256 bytes were treated as registers for the 6800. Each of us had to write some form of program on it as a class assignment. I remember thinking how cool is was to have all that room for my assembler program. Back in the late 70's it cost about $250!
Jack, W8TEE
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On Saturday, July 28, 2018, 3:11:02 PM EDT, ajparent1/kb1gmx <kb1gmx@...> wrote:
I have a early Altair and more than 53 other systems including:
Northstar Horizon (2)
Compupro 8/16
CCS 2xxx series (system box all CCS boards)
6800D1
SC/MP
Technico Super starter system (TI9900)
Cosmac 1802
Kim-1
IMSAI IMP-48
Netronics explorer 8085
Osborne 1
AmproLB+
SB180+ SCSI controller
BCC180
Visual 1050 (3)
Kaypro 2 and a 4/84
RS Model 1
NEC PC8201
Epson PX8 with wedges
PDP-8f
Several? Qbus PDP11 (from LSI11 though 11/73)
A slew of MicroVAX systems Mix of Qbus and 3100 series
I will not go into the software, let us just say, a lot.
All operating or operable.
And programming and design experience with i8008!
Allison
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Re: Some KayPro 2s >>>> Osborne 1
I have a early Altair and more than 53 other systems including:
Northstar Horizon (2)
Compupro 8/16
CCS 2xxx series (system box all CCS boards)
6800D1
SC/MP
Technico Super starter system (TI9900)
Cosmac 1802
Kim-1
IMSAI IMP-48
Netronics explorer 8085
Osborne 1
AmproLB+
SB180+ SCSI controller
BCC180
Visual 1050 (3)
Kaypro 2 and a 4/84
RS Model 1
NEC PC8201
Epson PX8 with wedges
PDP-8f
Several Qbus PDP11 (from LSI11 though 11/73)
A slew of MicroVAX systems Mix of Qbus and 3100 series
I will not go into the software, let us just say, a lot.
All operating or operable.
And programming and design experience with i8008!
Allison
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Re: Some KayPro 2s >>>> Osborne 1
Any of youse guys have a SCMP?
Dick, N7XKC
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Fimiani via Groups.Io" <myamiphil@...> To: < [email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2018 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [qrp-tech] Some KayPro 2s >>>> Osborne 1 Boy we're going back a ways.... My first computer was an Osborne 1 (blue case) Came with all the software one would want. I bought JRT Pascal for it too... I upgraded to double density and a video interface... Got rid of the amber (Heathkit ) video display. Still bha ve it and all the software. It needs some TLC. The drives need calibration. I was planning to gut the case and convert to a
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Re: allpcb, pcbway, etc 100mm x 100mm
Hi! Chuck,
JLC pcb on their quote page have as last option Different design. Under example the default 1 shows 4 numbers of same PCB in a panel. I have heard from many people here having ordered multiples of same pcb in a panel of 100x100mm.
73
Rahul VU3WJM
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On Saturday, 28 July, 2018, 10:52:27 PM IST, chuck adams <chuck.adams.k7qo@...> wrote:
Gang,
I'm pretty sure some one in this group has done this.
I want to divide the 100mm x 100mm area into four
quadrants.? Should I have just said into quadrants?
The four seems superfluous.? Had to ask Alexa to
spell for me.? :-)
Is there a way to sneak this by the board manufacturers
so as not to get charged four times as much?
chuck, k7qo, trying to save YOU a buck?? :-)
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David Wilcox K8WPE
Jack
