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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack via Groups.Io" <jjpurdum@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2019 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [qrp-tech] QRPGuys DSB Digital Transceiver


Bob:
It's very true that conditions right now suck compared to the 70's. I had
regular sked's for phone patch traffic between our military personnel
stationed on Guam and the Marshall Islands and their spouses left at home at
Offut AFB (SAC Headquarters). However, poor conditions does NOT mean bad ham
radio. Indeed, one of my club members worked 160 DX stations during the
recent CQ DX contest. It may take a little more effort today than 40 years
ago, but the bands still provide enjoyable QSO's if you want them.

Isn't it odd the bands are moribund at "normal" times but are actually
crowed on FD and other popular contests. Hmmm. I wonder...How much of this
"The-bands-are-horrible" crap is because we turn on the radio, tune around
for five minutes and, not hearing anything, shut down everything just so you
can go upstairs and rearrange your sock drawer. I wonder what would happen
if every one of us tuned around for five minutes and, not hearing anything,
called CQ for five minutes before giving up? I'll bet you'd make a contact
more often than not...especially if everyone else was doing the same thing.
I know the science and the sun's being pretty crappy about things at the
moment. Still, I wonder what would happen if...
Jack, W8TEE

On Sunday, November 3, 2019, 9:32:09 PM EST, Bob Macklin
<macklinbob@...> wrote:

Part of the problem with ham radio today is ready built radios are too
expensive for a lot of us.

70 years ago we could buy a surplus BC-453 (Q5'er) for $5 and build a
converter to put in front of it for another $10.

Not so today. And the kits like Heathkit are long gone.The Heathkit low
power transverters (HW-7, HW-8, HW-9) all go for several hundred bucks on
eBay. And they are just direct conversion receivers.

A good starting point is the NorCal40. It's single band but it's pretty
cheap. And PCBs have been available.

Now is not a good time for ham radio. We are at the low point of the solar
cycle. We may have just started Solar Cycle 25. I think partially because of
this the ham radio activity is at a low point.

If you don't have a GC receiver there are a lot available on eBay. I like
the Heathkits. I have mostly tube types but I do have a couple solid state
units.

They will let you listen to the activity on the bands.If you don't hear any
activity on one of these you won't hear any on your QRP kit.

It doesn't hurt to have a signal generator.

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
----- Original Message -----
From: "chuck adams" <chuck.adams.k7qo@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2019 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [qrp-tech] QRPGuys DSB Digital Transceiver

I second the notion. Build it, use it and see what it does.

I built the kit and put it on the air and worked almost 30 Qs with
it. I am not a fan of the mode after the fact. You just point
and click and get a simple exchange. For $40, you do get something
that does work.

You guys remember the pixie? Did you get it to work as well?

And, going back to the QRPGuys kit. I never received a follow up
email saying I was causing problems by being on the air.

I have, in the last five weeks pulled a Brian May, of Queen fame,
by doing over 4,000 lines of C code and two books with more in
the queue and gone back to doing physics. I have downsized the lab.
I spent 26 years doing QRP stuff and it's time for me to devote time to
doing physics seriously again. I've a bunch of papers to publish
that I have done over the past 20 years.

The EMRFD group has gone. It is time for this group to also come
to and end.

I do not want this group to turn into a bashing group. Too many people
have their own agenda.

This group is coming to its end of life. At the end of the year I will
disable all posting, but the material files and messages will remain
intact for the duration of the life of groups.io as long as we are not
charged for the use of the space. Greed seems to be kicking in on
the Internet and every one wants to make money.

Feel free to start a qrp group with another name and announce it here.
I will not release control of the group as I did with qrp-l. I don't
want any attacks made on me for this decision. I am in control.
I control the vertical. I control the horizontal.

Hopefully the run was worth the humongous amount of time and energy
I spent on projects and trying to stimulate the group. I kept the
20m 5W xcvr and will be on 20m trying for DXCC before I go deaf. :-)
It's the last thing on my bucket list for ham radio.

ciao,

chuck, k7qo

On 11/3/19 11:42 PM, JT Croteau wrote:

LOL at Randy's post.

QRPGuys aren't the only ones out there with a DSB FT8 kit. People need
to
get over all of this. It isn't meant to be a serious radio, it could be
very fun to play with like others tinkering around with DSB voice
circuits.

Mine is on the bench and I will use it.

On Sun, Nov 3, 2019, 17:31 jim via Groups.Io <ab7vf@...>
wrote:

Sad ... Still when I just looked, this is being sold to be ran under
'computer-control' by the "wsjt-x" program ... Not exactly rag-chew
modes
....purchased a similar device (from hans summers) called "QRSS-WSPR" to
do
some antenna propagation messing around ...No received it yet, but
...Don't
bag it, use it for what it was intended ..

disclaimer: I have NOT been following this thread with any active
interest ...Lotsa experts out there tho (as usual)

Jim

On Sunday, November 3, 2019, 10:47:18 PM UTC, Randy.AB9GO <
randy.ab9go@...> wrote:

With all the controversy surrounding this kit I am sorry I even
purchased
it. It's sitting here waiting to be assembled. I suppose I'll throw the
PCB
boards away and keep the parts for future projects. With so many
problems
surrounding dsb (other than simplicity) I cannot understand why the
qrpguys
put this kit out. In retrospect I would have paid extra just to have a
proper SSB signal after reading all the comments in this thread.

Randy AB9GO

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack via Groups.Io" <jjpurdum@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2019 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [qrp-tech] QRPGuys DSB Digital Transceiver


All this is specious to me. If it was a kilowatt kit with the likelihood of
hundreds of them operating simultaneously all over each band, then maybe it
an issue. It something to experiment with for those who have the talent and
time. Personally, other than knocking off awards, the allure of FT8 puzzles
me. On the other hand, if someone is upset with the fact it's DSB, perhaps
it will lead to hacks that cheaply change it.
If you bought one, built it, use it. If it becomes a real issue, I'm sure
we'll hear about it. Until then, let's put the cart back behind the horse
again.
Jack, W8TEE

On Sunday, November 3, 2019, 5:47:18 PM EST, Randy.AB9GO
<randy.ab9go@...> wrote:

With all the controversy surrounding this kit I am sorry I even purchased
it. It's sitting here waiting to be assembled. I suppose I'll throw the PCB
boards away and keep the parts for future projects. With so many problems
surrounding dsb (other than simplicity) I cannot understand why the qrpguys
put this kit out. In retrospect I would have paid extra just to have a
proper SSB signal after reading all the comments in this thread.

Randy AB9GO

On Sunday, November 3, 2019, 9:32:09 PM EST, Bob Macklin <macklinbob@...> wrote:

Part of the problem with ham radio today is ready built radios are too
expensive for a lot of us.

70 years ago we could buy a surplus BC-453 (Q5'er) for $5 and build a
converter to put in front of it for another $10.

Not so today. And the kits like Heathkit are long gone.The Heathkit low
power transverters (HW-7, HW-8, HW-9) all go for several hundred bucks on
eBay. And they are just direct conversion receivers.

A good starting point is the NorCal40. It's single band but it's pretty
cheap. And PCBs have been available.

Now is not a good time for ham radio. We are at the low point of the solar
cycle. We may have just started Solar Cycle 25. I think partially because of
this the ham radio activity is at a low point.

If you don't have a GC receiver there are a lot available on eBay. I like
the Heathkits. I have mostly tube types but I do have a couple solid state
units.

They will let you listen to the activity on the bands.If you don't hear any
activity on one of these you won't hear any on your QRP kit.

It doesn't hurt to have a signal generator.

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
----- Original Message -----
From: "chuck adams" <chuck.adams.k7qo@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2019 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [qrp-tech] QRPGuys DSB Digital Transceiver

I second the notion.? Build it, use it and see what it does.

I built the kit and put it on the air and worked almost 30 Qs with
it.? I am not a fan of the mode after the fact.? You just point
and click and get a simple exchange.? For $40, you do get something
that does work.

You guys remember the pixie?? Did you get it to work as well?

And, going back to the QRPGuys kit.? I never received a follow up
email saying I was causing problems by being on the air.

I have, in the last five weeks pulled a Brian May, of Queen fame,
by doing over 4,000 lines of C code and two books with more in
the queue and gone back to doing physics.? I have downsized the lab.
I spent 26 years doing QRP stuff and it's time for me to devote time to
doing physics seriously again.? I've a bunch of papers to publish
that I have done over the past 20 years.

The EMRFD group has gone.? It is time for this group to also come
to and end.

I do not want this group to turn into a bashing group. Too many people
have their own agenda.

This group is coming to its end of life.? At the end of the year I will
disable all posting, but the material files and messages will remain
intact for the duration of the life of groups.io as long as we are not
charged for the use of the space.? Greed seems to be kicking in on
the Internet and every one wants to make money.

Feel free to start a qrp group with another name and announce it here.
I will not release control of the group as I did with qrp-l.? I don't
want any attacks made on me for this decision.? I am in control.
I control the vertical.? I control the horizontal.

Hopefully the run was worth the humongous amount of time and energy
I spent on projects and trying to stimulate the group.? I kept the
20m 5W xcvr and will be on 20m trying for DXCC before I go deaf.? :-)
It's the last thing on my bucket list for ham radio.

ciao,

chuck, k7qo

On 11/3/19 11:42 PM, JT Croteau wrote:

LOL at Randy's post.

QRPGuys aren't the only ones out there with a DSB FT8 kit.? People need
to
get over all of this.? It isn't meant to be a serious radio, it could be
very fun to play with like others tinkering around with DSB voice
circuits.

Mine is on the bench and I will use it.

On Sun, Nov 3, 2019, 17:31 jim via Groups.Io <ab7vf@...>
wrote:

? Sad ... Still when I just looked, this is being sold to be ran under
'computer-control' by the "wsjt-x" program ... Not exactly rag-chew
modes
....purchased a similar device (from hans summers) called "QRSS-WSPR" to
do
some antenna propagation messing around ...No received it yet, but
...Don't
bag it, use it for what it was intended ..

disclaimer:? I have NOT been following this thread with any active
interest ...Lotsa experts out there tho (as usual)

Jim

? ? ? On Sunday, November 3, 2019, 10:47:18 PM UTC, Randy.AB9GO <
randy.ab9go@...> wrote:

? With all the controversy surrounding this kit I am sorry I even
purchased
it. It's sitting here waiting to be assembled. I suppose I'll throw the
PCB
boards away and keep the parts for future projects. With so many
problems
surrounding dsb (other than simplicity) I cannot understand why the
qrpguys
put this kit out.? In retrospect I would have paid extra just to have a
proper SSB signal after reading all the comments in this thread.

Randy AB9GO

On Sunday, November 3, 2019, 5:47:18 PM EST, Randy.AB9GO <randy.ab9go@...> wrote:

With all the controversy surrounding this kit I am sorry I even purchased it. It's sitting here waiting to be assembled. I suppose I'll throw the PCB boards away and keep the parts for future projects. With so many problems surrounding dsb (other than simplicity) I cannot understand why the qrpguys put this kit out.? In retrospect I would have paid extra just to have a proper SSB signal after reading all the comments in this thread.

Randy AB9GO

----- Original Message -----
From: "chuck adams" <chuck.adams.k7qo@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2019 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: [qrp-tech] QRPGuys DSB Digital Transceiver

I second the notion. Build it, use it and see what it does.

I built the kit and put it on the air and worked almost 30 Qs with
it. I am not a fan of the mode after the fact. You just point
and click and get a simple exchange. For $40, you do get something
that does work.

You guys remember the pixie? Did you get it to work as well?

And, going back to the QRPGuys kit. I never received a follow up
email saying I was causing problems by being on the air.

I have, in the last five weeks pulled a Brian May, of Queen fame,
by doing over 4,000 lines of C code and two books with more in
the queue and gone back to doing physics. I have downsized the lab.
I spent 26 years doing QRP stuff and it's time for me to devote time to
doing physics seriously again. I've a bunch of papers to publish
that I have done over the past 20 years.

The EMRFD group has gone. It is time for this group to also come
to and end.

I do not want this group to turn into a bashing group. Too many people
have their own agenda.

This group is coming to its end of life. At the end of the year I will
disable all posting, but the material files and messages will remain
intact for the duration of the life of groups.io as long as we are not
charged for the use of the space. Greed seems to be kicking in on
the Internet and every one wants to make money.

Feel free to start a qrp group with another name and announce it here.
I will not release control of the group as I did with qrp-l. I don't
want any attacks made on me for this decision. I am in control.
I control the vertical. I control the horizontal.

Hopefully the run was worth the humongous amount of time and energy
I spent on projects and trying to stimulate the group. I kept the
20m 5W xcvr and will be on 20m trying for DXCC before I go deaf. :-)
It's the last thing on my bucket list for ham radio.

ciao,

chuck, k7qo

On 11/3/19 11:42 PM, JT Croteau wrote:

LOL at Randy's post.

QRPGuys aren't the only ones out there with a DSB FT8 kit. People need
to
get over all of this. It isn't meant to be a serious radio, it could be
very fun to play with like others tinkering around with DSB voice
circuits.

Mine is on the bench and I will use it.

On Sun, Nov 3, 2019, 17:31 jim via Groups.Io <ab7vf@...>
wrote:

Sad ... Still when I just looked, this is being sold to be ran under
'computer-control' by the "wsjt-x" program ... Not exactly rag-chew
modes
....purchased a similar device (from hans summers) called "QRSS-WSPR" to
do
some antenna propagation messing around ...No received it yet, but
...Don't
bag it, use it for what it was intended ..

disclaimer: I have NOT been following this thread with any active
interest ...Lotsa experts out there tho (as usual)

Jim

On Sunday, November 3, 2019, 10:47:18 PM UTC, Randy.AB9GO <
randy.ab9go@...> wrote:

With all the controversy surrounding this kit I am sorry I even
purchased
it. It's sitting here waiting to be assembled. I suppose I'll throw the
PCB
boards away and keep the parts for future projects. With so many
problems
surrounding dsb (other than simplicity) I cannot understand why the
qrpguys
put this kit out. In retrospect I would have paid extra just to have a
proper SSB signal after reading all the comments in this thread.

Randy AB9GO

----- Original Message -----
From: "ajparent1/kb1gmx" <kb1gmx@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2019 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [qrp-tech] Phasing SSB Transceiver: Homebrew w/o a scope?


Bob,

The norcal sierra is a single conversion.
The uBitx is double conversion with the 45mhz and 12/11.052 second if.

the difference is notable.

There are many single conversion CW radios and a few SSB radios,
the CR series, KNG7A, KD1JV survivor, bitx20 come to mind for SSB.
For CW the 1Watter and The Orgainc from KitsandParts.com.

There are more but memory....

Allison
--
Please reply on the group, no private emails we as a group get to share info
that way.

On Monday, November 4, 2019, 12:02:37 AM UTC, Bob Macklin <macklinbob@...> wrote:







BTW:

There is no FCC rule about using DSB/SC. It was quite common in the early
days of SSB.

It was the suppression of the carrier that was desired. It has the same
bandwidth as a normal AM signal.

Except on contest days there is no problem with the extra bandwidth.

and note that analog TV was VSB. One sideband with carrier.

Bob Macklin
K5MYJ
Seattle, Wa.
"Real Radios Glow In The Dark"
----- Original Message -----
From: "JT Croteau" <jt.tobit@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2019 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [qrp-tech] QRPGuys DSB Digital Transceiver

LOL at Randy's post.

QRPGuys aren't the only ones out there with a DSB FT8 kit.? People need to
get over all of this.? It isn't meant to be a serious radio, it could be
very fun to play with like others tinkering around with DSB voice
circuits.

Mine is on the bench and I will use it.

On Sun, Nov 3, 2019, 17:31 jim via Groups.Io <ab7vf@...>
wrote:

? Sad ... Still when I just looked, this is being sold to be ran under
'computer-control' by the "wsjt-x" program ... Not exactly rag-chew modes
....purchased a similar device (from hans summers) called "QRSS-WSPR" to
do
some antenna propagation messing around ...No received it yet, but
...Don't
bag it, use it for what it was intended ..

disclaimer:? I have NOT been following this thread with any active
interest ...Lotsa experts out there tho (as usual)

Jim

? ? On Sunday, November 3, 2019, 10:47:18 PM UTC, Randy.AB9GO <
randy.ab9go@...> wrote:

? With all the controversy surrounding this kit I am sorry I even
purchased
it. It's sitting here waiting to be assembled. I suppose I'll throw the
PCB
boards away and keep the parts for future projects. With so many problems
surrounding dsb (other than simplicity) I cannot understand why the
qrpguys
put this kit out.? In retrospect I would have paid extra just to have a
proper SSB signal after reading all the comments in this thread.

Randy AB9GO

On 11/3/19 11:42 PM, JT Croteau wrote:

LOL at Randy's post.
QRPGuys aren't the only ones out there with a DSB FT8 kit. People need to
get over all of this. It isn't meant to be a serious radio, it could be
very fun to play with like others tinkering around with DSB voice circuits.
Mine is on the bench and I will use it.
On Sun, Nov 3, 2019, 17:31 jim via Groups.Io <ab7vf@...>
wrote:

Sad ... Still when I just looked, this is being sold to be ran under
'computer-control' by the "wsjt-x" program ... Not exactly rag-chew modes
....purchased a similar device (from hans summers) called "QRSS-WSPR" to do
some antenna propagation messing around ...No received it yet, but ...Don't
bag it, use it for what it was intended ..

disclaimer: I have NOT been following this thread with any active
interest ...Lotsa experts out there tho (as usual)

Jim

On Sunday, November 3, 2019, 10:47:18 PM UTC, Randy.AB9GO <
randy.ab9go@...> wrote:

With all the controversy surrounding this kit I am sorry I even purchased
it. It's sitting here waiting to be assembled. I suppose I'll throw the PCB
boards away and keep the parts for future projects. With so many problems
surrounding dsb (other than simplicity) I cannot understand why the qrpguys
put this kit out. In retrospect I would have paid extra just to have a
proper SSB signal after reading all the comments in this thread.

Randy AB9GO

----- Original Message -----
From: "JT Croteau" <jt.tobit@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2019 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [qrp-tech] QRPGuys DSB Digital Transceiver

LOL at Randy's post.

QRPGuys aren't the only ones out there with a DSB FT8 kit. People need to
get over all of this. It isn't meant to be a serious radio, it could be
very fun to play with like others tinkering around with DSB voice
circuits.

Mine is on the bench and I will use it.

On Sun, Nov 3, 2019, 17:31 jim via Groups.Io <ab7vf@...>
wrote:

Sad ... Still when I just looked, this is being sold to be ran under
'computer-control' by the "wsjt-x" program ... Not exactly rag-chew modes
....purchased a similar device (from hans summers) called "QRSS-WSPR" to
do
some antenna propagation messing around ...No received it yet, but
...Don't
bag it, use it for what it was intended ..

disclaimer: I have NOT been following this thread with any active
interest ...Lotsa experts out there tho (as usual)

Jim

On Sunday, November 3, 2019, 10:47:18 PM UTC, Randy.AB9GO <
randy.ab9go@...> wrote:

With all the controversy surrounding this kit I am sorry I even
purchased
it. It's sitting here waiting to be assembled. I suppose I'll throw the
PCB
boards away and keep the parts for future projects. With so many problems
surrounding dsb (other than simplicity) I cannot understand why the
qrpguys
put this kit out. In retrospect I would have paid extra just to have a
proper SSB signal after reading all the comments in this thread.

Randy AB9GO

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Meara via Groups.Io" <n2cqr@...>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2019 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [qrp-tech] Phasing SSB Transceiver: Homebrew w/o a scope?


Having built both a phasing receiver and many filter rigs, I think a single
conversion filter rig is easier. Why not build a single conversion superhet
receiver first. Good luck 73 Bill N2CQR
On Sunday, November 3, 2019, 11:56:46 AM EST, ajparent1/kb1gmx
<kb1gmx@...> wrote:

FYI the QCX receiver is a image rejecting design (phasing) for SSB changing
a
few resistors in the audio filter (from CW band width to SSB) and it sounds
very
good.

Allison

--
Please reply on the group, no private emails we as a group get to share info
that way.

On Sunday, November 3, 2019, 10:47:18 PM UTC, Randy.AB9GO <randy.ab9go@...> wrote:

With all the controversy surrounding this kit I am sorry I even purchased it. It's sitting here waiting to be assembled. I suppose I'll throw the PCB boards away and keep the parts for future projects. With so many problems surrounding dsb (other than simplicity) I cannot understand why the qrpguys put this kit out.? In retrospect I would have paid extra just to have a proper SSB signal after reading all the comments in this thread.

Randy AB9GO

On Sun, Nov 3, 2019 at 3:47 PM Randy.AB9GO <randy.ab9go@...> wrote:

With all the controversy surrounding this kit I am sorry I even purchased
it. It's sitting here waiting to be assembled. I suppose I'll throw the PCB
boards away and keep the parts for future projects. With so many problems
surrounding dsb (other than simplicity) I cannot understand why the qrpguys
put this kit out. In retrospect I would have paid extra just to have a
proper SSB signal after reading all the comments in this thread.

Randy AB9GO