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Re: Matching crystals results

Doug Hendricks
 

I purchased them from wtl crystals in China, but they have a one thousand piece minimum. I am going to offer matched sets of 6 crystals (4 within 10 Hertz) for $1 + $3 postage. I will post here when they are ready. These are 4.096 MHz. in HC49U holders.


crystal checker boards arrived

 

Thanks Chuck for everything that you and the group are doing.
16 boards arrived, 5 minutes after unpacking 6 have already been spoken for, they are going to the people who have been given the norcal 40 board.
Andy
M0RON


NC40A Crystal filter matching plots

 

I made the attached two plots of the bandpass of the crystal filter. U1 and U2 were removed from my test board. Tracking generator was fed into pins 4&5 of U1 socket and input to spectrum analyzer was taken at pins 1&3 of U2 socket.

The 1.BMP file used my widest ranging crystals 28, 30, 43 and 45 tens of Hz. The 2.BPM file uses crystals 35,35,35 and 36.

Plot 2 using matched crystals should have been better than the first that uses crystal differing by as much about 170 Hz. Maybe I don't know what to look for but the two plots look about the same to me. Next step will be listening to the two filters to see if I hear any difference. I don't have the VFO built on the board but at this point plan to try a DDS VFO. I will compare that to what I hear with a matched crystal filter from a stock NC40A build.

While it has been interesting matching crystal I do wonder how critical it is. I see posts of people wanting to buy and other offering to provide matched sets so it seems there is concern that without matched sets the radio will not work. I am trying to get some practical insight on how true that is.

If the attached files don't make it through with this text I will post them separately.

73/72 - Mike WA8BXN


Butterworth filters

 

Fellow QRP¡¯s

This discussion of filters brings back memories! Back when I was in college, studying chemistry, ( there were only four elements on the periodic table back then), I had a roommate who was really into tri-amped speaker systems using voice of the theatre drivers and the like.

We used to build butterworth filters (as they had minimum ripple in the passband) using LM741 op amps as they we all we could get!

Active crossovers were the new thing then.

Just my two cents.

This discussion reminds me to paraphrase Shakespeare:

dB or not dB ... that is the question!

Sorry but I couldn¡¯t resist.

DK Philbin, KD6TK


Colpitts Crystal Oscillator Fundamentals

William
 

Gentlemen,

Chuck has done a magnificent job in bringing us a vehicle for learning the fundamentals (per usual) in his securing the NorCal 40A and Colpitts Oscillator boards plus the how-to videos. Inasmuch as one of my guiding principles is "anything worth doing is worth over-doing", I would hasten to add a resource for those wishing to dig very, very deep into the nature of the beast. This comes in the form of a very good YouTube video entitled "Colpitts Crystal Oscillator Fundamentals" which can be found here:



He offers this link to supporting documentation:



The young man really tears apart the circuit and renders its considerations in mathematical terms that he laboriously but effectively presents. And, being a Bus Ad major in college and a software developer by trade, I entered the arena of QRP not only wanting to build but also to trick myself into thinking I really understood the electronics and math behind what I was building. To me, anything less and I might just as well drop into Ham Radio Outlet and write a check for a hyper-knobbed YaeKenCom XTG-9005 ContestMaster Plus and (*gasp*) a fire-belching VOA 15KW amplifier.

Hope this is of interest.
--
William, K6WHP
"Cheer up, things could get worse..so I cheered up and, sure enough, things got worse!"


Re: QRP-Labs trimmer caps

 

All

I have added this item to the QRP Labs shop, see


Price is $2.50 for a pack of ten of the 30pF trimmers, the same model used
in the BPF kit and the QCX kit


Shipping for QRP Labs items is a weight-based starting from $4.30.

There is a note on the ordering page: since it will take around 1-2 weeks
for the QRP Labs shipment office in Japan to receive stock of the trimmer
cap, shipping won't happen immediately.

73 Hans G0UPL

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:29 AM, QRP Labs <hans.summers@...> wrote:


Hi again all

I made inquiries through my supply chain. I can get a few hundred of these
30pF CYMI trimmer capacitors and make them available in the QRP Labs shop
price $2.50 for 10. This is not a USA source.
They would ship from Japan like the rest of QRP Labs stuff. Would this
help?

73 Hans G0UPL


On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:06 AM, QRP Labs <hans.summers@...> wrote:

Hi all

Sorry for the slow answer, I only read the daily-digest version of the
group.

To be sure, you are right, I get these CYMI for a great price! One big
reason why QRP Labs kits are such low cost is because I work hard on
finding the best pricing for all the components. It all adds up. When I
make the BPF kits I make 3,000 at a time...
which means 6,000 trimmer caps... it does help with bringing the price down
:-)

I can make some inquiries and see if I can get a smaller quantity. How
many do you need? The lettering on the top of the capacitor shell reads
"CYMI" and under that, "FS".

I found these capacitors to be decent quality and very reliable, though
of course you can always melt something by over-heating during soldering,
but generally I have never had that problem.

During the development of the BPF kit I first tried this style of
capacitor:

GKG60015/SG9035-ND/262545
In my opinion they were horrible...
1) they melted very easily during soldering
2) they were not easy to adjust with a standard screwdriver - I guess
some special tool is preferred
3) You cannot see what is going on inside that small blob of plastic - so
making adjustments is horrible

The latter point is important. With the CYMI capacitors used in the BPF
kit you can physically see the angular displacement of the fixed and
movable sets of plates. The reason this is important is because often in
the circuit you have other components all with tolerances, particularly
inductors - which have quite some variation depending on how you wind them
etc. When everything is installed, and you peak the BPF or try to adjust
the VFO limits or whatever - if the capacitor plates are fully open, or
fully closed, you know something is wrong. Likely it is necessary to add or
remove a turn of wire on a toroid inductor somewhere. I give this advice on
all my kits. With the CYMI capacitors you can SEE what capacitance it is
set to (approximately). If it is at either the two extremes, you know
things are not optimally adjusted, and have to take other remedial actions,
on the inductors.

Those tiny 6mm encased plastic trimmers are cheaper. But they didn't
match my idea of what quality I wanted for the BPF kits. That is why I
chose the more expensive CYMI ones.

73 Hans G0UPL


Re: QRP-Labs trimmer caps

 

On 11/28/2017 11:29 PM, Hans Summers wrote:
Hi again all

I made inquiries through my supply chain. I can get a few hundred of these
30pF CYMI trimmer capacitors and make them available in the QRP Labs shop
price $2.50 for 10. This is not a USA source.
They would ship from Japan like the rest of QRP Labs stuff. Would this
help?

73 Hans G0UPL


Hans,

I've placed my order and hope I'm first in line to respond with
an order.? :-)

Have you put them into a VFO to test their temp coefficient?
Hopefully you have a datasheet to share with the group.

There are a lot of good temp coefficient caps that have gone
the way of reel-to-reel tape and other technology.? I'm hoping
that the cap is good enough for freq setting applications.

Thanks for helping the group.

chuck, k7qo


Thnaks Admin, for permission

Mvs Sarma
 

Thanks for allowing membership.

regards
Sarma
vu3zmv


Re: Need 1SV149 or MVAM109

 

I had bought from this guy.

10pcs 1SV149 Variable Capacitance Diode TOSHIBA | eBay

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On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 2:43 AM, Joe Trombino <jotrom@...> wrote:


Howdy Gang.

Have almost all of the parts on hand or on order for the NC40A build save for the 1SV149/MVAM109 diodes.

Anyone out there have any spares?¡­I need two.

I can trade J310¡¯s for the diodes.

Many thanks for any assistance.

??? ??? ??? 73, Joe W2KJ
??? ??? ??? I QRP, therefore I am


Re: Matching crystals results

 

It is a good yield.? What is the brand and can you indicate the seller details.?I am also interest to buy few !!

On Wednesday, 29 November 2017 10:33 AM, Doug Hendricks via Groups.Io <ki6ds13@...> wrote:


I finished the second hundred crystals this evening.? I got 21 sets of 4 matched to within 10 Hertz.? Using a K7QO Colpits oscillator built by K7QO himself.? I have 41 sets out of 200 crystals.? I find matching crystals very relaxing, much more interesting than tv.? 72, Doug


Re: QRP-Labs trimmer caps

 

Hi again all

I made inquiries through my supply chain. I can get a few hundred of these
30pF CYMI trimmer capacitors and make them available in the QRP Labs shop
price $2.50 for 10. This is not a USA source.
They would ship from Japan like the rest of QRP Labs stuff. Would this
help?

73 Hans G0UPL

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 9:06 AM, QRP Labs <hans.summers@...> wrote:

Hi all

Sorry for the slow answer, I only read the daily-digest version of the
group.

To be sure, you are right, I get these CYMI for a great price! One big
reason why QRP Labs kits are such low cost is because I work hard on
finding the best pricing for all the components. It all adds up. When I
make the BPF kits I make 3,000 at a time...
which means 6,000 trimmer caps... it does help with bringing the price down
:-)

I can make some inquiries and see if I can get a smaller quantity. How
many do you need? The lettering on the top of the capacitor shell reads
"CYMI" and under that, "FS".

I found these capacitors to be decent quality and very reliable, though of
course you can always melt something by over-heating during soldering, but
generally I have never had that problem.

During the development of the BPF kit I first tried this style of
capacitor:

goodman/GKG60015/SG9035-ND/262545
In my opinion they were horrible...
1) they melted very easily during soldering
2) they were not easy to adjust with a standard screwdriver - I guess some
special tool is preferred
3) You cannot see what is going on inside that small blob of plastic - so
making adjustments is horrible

The latter point is important. With the CYMI capacitors used in the BPF
kit you can physically see the angular displacement of the fixed and
movable sets of plates. The reason this is important is because often in
the circuit you have other components all with tolerances, particularly
inductors - which have quite some variation depending on how you wind them
etc. When everything is installed, and you peak the BPF or try to adjust
the VFO limits or whatever - if the capacitor plates are fully open, or
fully closed, you know something is wrong. Likely it is necessary to add or
remove a turn of wire on a toroid inductor somewhere. I give this advice on
all my kits. With the CYMI capacitors you can SEE what capacitance it is
set to (approximately). If it is at either the two extremes, you know
things are not optimally adjusted, and have to take other remedial actions,
on the inductors.

Those tiny 6mm encased plastic trimmers are cheaper. But they didn't match
my idea of what quality I wanted for the BPF kits. That is why I chose the
more expensive CYMI ones.

73 Hans G0UPL


EFHW Coupler

 

I've thought of making another coupler for a half wave antenna. I want to
use an air coil and air spaced tuning capacitor.

I'm wondering if it's more desirable to use a high inductance and low
capacitance, or vice versa. I know the values of the tuning components
affect the loaded Q of the circuit. I'm not certain which direction is the
right way, but it will make the difference between using a huge
transmitting capacitor or a broadcast variable with two parallel sections.

Ed AE7TE


Re: QRP-Labs trimmer caps

 

Hi all

Sorry for the slow answer, I only read the daily-digest version of the
group.

To be sure, you are right, I get these CYMI for a great price! One big
reason why QRP Labs kits are such low cost is because I work hard on
finding the best pricing for all the components. It all adds up. When I
make the BPF kits I make 3,000 at a time...
which means 6,000 trimmer caps... it does help with bringing the price down
:-)

I can make some inquiries and see if I can get a smaller quantity. How many
do you need? The lettering on the top of the capacitor shell reads "CYMI"
and under that, "FS".

I found these capacitors to be decent quality and very reliable, though of
course you can always melt something by over-heating during soldering, but
generally I have never had that problem.

During the development of the BPF kit I first tried this style of capacitor:

In my opinion they were horrible...
1) they melted very easily during soldering
2) they were not easy to adjust with a standard screwdriver - I guess some
special tool is preferred
3) You cannot see what is going on inside that small blob of plastic - so
making adjustments is horrible

The latter point is important. With the CYMI capacitors used in the BPF kit
you can physically see the angular displacement of the fixed and movable
sets of plates. The reason this is important is because often in the
circuit you have other components all with tolerances, particularly
inductors - which have quite some variation depending on how you wind them
etc. When everything is installed, and you peak the BPF or try to adjust
the VFO limits or whatever - if the capacitor plates are fully open, or
fully closed, you know something is wrong. Likely it is necessary to add or
remove a turn of wire on a toroid inductor somewhere. I give this advice on
all my kits. With the CYMI capacitors you can SEE what capacitance it is
set to (approximately). If it is at either the two extremes, you know
things are not optimally adjusted, and have to take other remedial actions,
on the inductors.

Those tiny 6mm encased plastic trimmers are cheaper. But they didn't match
my idea of what quality I wanted for the BPF kits. That is why I chose the
more expensive CYMI ones.

73 Hans G0UPL


Matching crystals results

Doug Hendricks
 

I finished the second hundred crystals this evening. I got 21 sets of 4 matched to within 10 Hertz. Using a K7QO Colpits oscillator built by K7QO himself. I have 41 sets out of 200 crystals. I find matching crystals very relaxing, much more interesting than tv. 72, Doug


Re: QRP-Labs trimmer caps

 

Chuck,

Like others have indicated. Sprague/Goodman or Vishay. I bought a bunch at Mouser a few years ago. Pricey. The film insulators melt when soldering. Be quick when you solder the tabs. They work well. I used them in band pass filters.

Bill N7EU


Re: QRP-Labs trimmer caps

 

I think Graham is right. They appear to be CYMI caps in looking
at the picture again. I think he nailed it.

john
AD5YE


Re: QRP-Labs trimmer caps

 

In looking at a blown-up picture from Hans' site, I notice the trim caps
are marked "GVM". There is a GVM Electronics company in Hyderabad, India
but I don't know if they are the makers...

john
AD5YE


Re: QRP-Labs trimmer caps

 

Well, the photo has the letters CYMI molded into the top of the caps.
Googling CYMI results in:



--- Graham

==

On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 6:47 PM, chuck adams <chuck.adams.k7qo@...>
wrote:

I am interested in the caps used here.



They look like they may have some good characteristics.
Does any one have a lead on them and a source here in
the USofA?

Inquiring minds want to know.

chuck, k7qo




Re: QRP-Labs trimmer caps

 

These are probably Vishay BC caps. They are a copy
of some Sprague-Goodman caps, which are no longer
generally available, of course.

Both Mouser and Digi-Key supply them in the USA.

They are not cheap -- in the USA, Europe, or India.

Jameco has some ceramic caps for about $US1.50
which look pretty good, on the surface of things, anyway.

Hans must have found a lot of them at a good price! Hi.
(But I don't know if Hans uses Vishay caps).

Dan has a few Sprague caps available, but who knows
how many...

john
AD5YE


Re: QRP-Labs trimmer caps

 

This may not match exactly, but the lettering on top is the same



Michael Medley
AA1MM