Hi LL,

Thanks for opening this up for public discussion. Here
are my thought for whatever they might be worth (not
much, I am afraid).

My personal feeling is that: less rules = more fun :)


Most teams communicate and always have.

If you are going to tell teams that they can't
communicate during the hunts, well then, why have
teams? After all, teams are, well, teams and they are
supposed to work as a, hmmmm, team.

As a member of a team last year (too many other
commitments to play on a team this year) I can tell
you that it is a blast to play as a team.

Just my 2 cents.

73 de w1mt
Mike


--- Lloyd Lachow <llachow@g...> wrote:

Anyway, I'm afraid that Team members, and maybe
others, are using
various methods of communicating Fox spots to each
other during the
Hunts, and I wanted to discuss this publicly.

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On 11/11/05, Bill Stietenroth <k5zty@...> wrote:


. What caused this rule to be

formualted anyway?? Some one work too many foxes??

It was made to even out the inequality if opportunity for Peltii
for
Hounds without internet access during the Hunt.

Do you know how to find the Fox, as an experienced Hound? If so,
you're doing the up-and-comers a disservice, IMHO, by spotting for
them. If you taught them how to find the Fox, they'd be in for the
full measure of skill-building and fun!

LL/K3ESE


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-------------- Original message --------------
Hi LL,

Thanks for opening this up for public discussion. Here
are my thought for whatever they might be worth (not
much, I am afraid).

My personal feeling is that: less rules = more fun :)


Most teams communicate and always have.

If you are going to tell teams that they can't
communicate during the hunts, well then, why have
teams? After all, teams are, well, teams and they are
supposed to work as a, hmmmm, team.

As a member of a team last year (too many other
commitments to play on a team this year) I can tell
you that it is a blast to play as a team.?

Just my 2 cents.

73 de w1mt
Mike


--- Lloyd Lachow wrote:


>?? Anyway, I'm afraid that Team members, and maybe
> others, are using
> various methods of communicating Fox spots to each
> other during the
> Hunts, and I wanted to discuss this publicly.
>


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First off, I want to say that my comments are NOT targeted at Lloyd.
I
think Lloyd and the foxhunt committee work very hard to put the
hunts
together and they should be commended.

I don't really care about this rule one way or another mostly
because the
way I figure it you have to hear the fox, then work him. If I can
hear the
fox I almost always work him. Afterall, we all know approximately
where
they will be. If you can't hear him you're not going to work him
and it
really doesn't matter if someone else tells you where the fox is
that you
can't hear anyway. Last night was a good example. I looked for
W1RT in Va
for the majority of the hunt and couldn't hear him. Finally, a few
team
members could hear him but at ESP levels. None of us worked him.
Had his
signal come up it would have been easy to find him and then work
him.

One thing I do know about all this though is if we keep politicizing

everything and focusing the discussion on 'rules' instead of the fun
aspect
of QRP and foxhunts the foxhunts will be DEAD. I know that I and
others on
my team are in this for the fun and the comraderie.

Jerry N9AW

P.S. GO CHEESEHEADS !!!





----- Original Message -----
From: "Lloyd Lachow" <llachow@...>
To: <qfox@...>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [qfox] Re: Fox posts, teams, and morality

Interesting topic indeed!


I think that we on the Committee think of this event as a Hunt,

which

is why we tweaked the rules. First you find the Fox, then you work

the

Fox, if you can. Obviously, only an individual can work a Fox.

Yet, while most Hounds are also hunting the Fox, it seems perhaps

a

number of us, hopefully small, is only doing the working part,

and

being told where to look. If it's true that most Teams "work as a
team" in the sense of secretly sharing Fox spots, it hasn't

happened

on any of the two or three other teams I've been on - there was

never

a hint of sharing scores there.

We've only had one disqualification, and it was a situation where

we

were certain that the offending Hound knew he was going against

the

rule, and it was when he "posted" the spot publicly. I don't

think

anyone should be disqualified if the rules are wishy-washy, or if

it's

not certain that they knew they were breaking a rule. That's why

I

began this discussion, and why we're changing the wording of the

rule

to something other than "post," so it would cover any

communication.

I must beg to respectfully disagree with Michael about "less rules

=

more fun!" because I think that the reverse is true, to a point.

That

is not to say that more rules = more fun, but that we need rules

to

have everybody playing the same game at the same time. The game

itself

should be what we want to be doing, which, in this case, is

hunting,

and then working, the Fox. No rules = anarchy = no fun at all,

IMHO.

As Greg mentioned, I just don't want anyone telling me where a Fox

is.

Why be on a Team, then? Well, for me, it has added greatly to the
excitement of the Fox Hunts, and has often caused me to go beyond
where I might have given up - because my Team was counting on me!

Some

of the Teams are grouped closely, some are spread way out. It adds

to

the whole Fox Hunt scene to get a group of ops together, maybe
strategize about how best to work the Fox, maybe communicate

during

the week, make sure everybody's ready to go, things like that.

Just as

it's fun to see how well you can do from your QTH, with your setup

-

neither of which change much, usually - it's also fun to see how

a

group of five ops can do collectively, over a Season. It's fun!

The whole thing we're trying to accomplish with this is to have

every

pelt mean the same thing...that you were able to locate and work

the

Fox. If you can't find the Fox unless you use a spot provided for

you,

just don't work the Fox. If you've been relying on spots, it's up

to

you to decide if you want to continue, now that this clarification

has

been posted. At least - I HOPE it was a clarification! 8^D

tally ho,

LL/K3ESE




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On 11/11/05, k5zty@... <k5zty@...> wrote:

So LL, did you disqualify your team?

? Well, I thought I had answered that in one of my previous posts. I looked and - sure enough! I had. So I'll just reprint that for you, here:


"We've only had one disqualification, and it was a situation where we
were certain that the offending Hound knew he was going against the
rule, and it was when he "posted" the spot publicly. I don't think
anyone should be disqualified if the rules are wishy-washy, or if it's
not certain that they knew they were breaking a rule. That's why I
began this discussion, and why we're changing the wording of the rule
to something other than "post," so it would cover any communication."


Did you see it this time?

? LL/K3ESE

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