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Re: Fox posts, teams, and morality
Karl F. Larsen
Joe, aa4nn wrote:
Woe be unto the fox who logs on paper, then transcribes incorrectly for posting to the reflector. My goodness gracious, let's just add another rule! "The Fox must use a computerized logging program."That is even worse. I can see no reason a paper log is bad. I have sued it for all the times I was Fox and yes, I sent my best log to QRP-L asking for corrections. I got them and then posted a final log. This worked great! Right or wrong, it is cheating to change a log once it is published.Your wrong. It is often my name which I sent with care winds up as CARL. So when I see that I email the Fox and tell him it's KARL. That is NOT Cheating! I would say the Fox cheated you out of a pelt by confirming your call during the QSO then publishing it incorrectly on the reflector. Too bad for the hound. Too bad for the hunt that mistakes can happen with or without computer logging.Exactly. That is why we publish the first cut at the log EXPECTING corrections. 73 Karl K5DI de Joe, aa4nn |
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Re: Fox posts, teams, and morality
Joe, aa4nn
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýWoe be unto the fox who logs on paper, then transcribes?incorrectly for posting to the reflector.? My goodness gracious, let's just add another rule!??"The?Fox?must use a computerized logging program."?
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Right or wrong, it is cheating to change a log once it is published.?? I would say the Fox cheated you out of a pelt?by?confirming your call during the?QSO then publishing it?incorrectly on the reflector.??Too bad for the hound.? Too bad for the hunt that mistakes can?happen with or without computer logging.??
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The last time I ask for my call to be corrected,I knew that he had sent it back to me correctly twice in the hunt both before and after his report but when it showed up on the reflector he had transcribed it wrong into his email log. Is it cheating to correct that???? k5zty |
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Re: Fox posts, teams, and morality
jcg9uas
With regard to the fox log - If the fox copies it wrong, you can ask
him to correct it which has a bigger effect than any spotting. We need a clarification of rules for logs. Either they can be modified or once they are published the first time, they are final. The call is the main item. IMHO, if it is incorrect, it cannot be changed after the fact. If unsure after a contact, make another one, which will eat up more valuable time and deprive another hound of a pelt. However if the fox is using an electronic logger and is using a contesting version with a similar exchange format (FISTS Sprint) , it will not allow a dup contact so the fox could reply "wkdB4" which means you are in the log. Also clarify the fox exchange format and hound exchange format (e.g 'hound call' 559 ST NM PWR 'fox call' then " 'fox call' 559 ST NM PWR hound call" then " 'hound call' QSL (or repeats) QRZ Fox DE 'Fox call' up or dn" Each fox seems to have a different technigue and sometimes they just stop sending which is another way of saying QRZ, I guess. It might make things go a little smoother. Some foxes never indicate up or down which says they are simplex which really causes a mess because no one is sure where the fox is. Or declare the last half hour of the hunt to be simplex only. John K8WDN |
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Re: Fox posts, teams, and morality
Joe, aa4nn
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýK8WDN wrote, in part
"However, if you really want to tighten things up, make a rule that a "Fox" log cannot be modified after the hunt. -----------------
Recently?introduced to Fox Hunts, I couldn't believe it when
I saw a fox posting a log?and asking for corrections.? What's
the point in all that anyway?!?
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Re: Fox posts, teams, and morality
jcg9uas
Here are my thoughts. It is only a foxhunt until the first hound
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hears the fox. Once that occurs, it is merely wait your turn if the propogation gods are favorable. Once your hear the hounds, in about a few seconds you will hear the fox. If the fox was working up 10, it might be a little more challenge but working a small split, if you hear the hounds, you have about a 99% chance of knowing where the fox is. The greater skill is for the fox to break out calls from the pileup. I heard a fox last week sending something about "send me an email" toward the end of the hunt which I did not understand at all. The post rule doesn't help or hurt much if anything. However, if you really want to tighten things up, make a rule that a "Fox" log cannot be modified after the hunt. Once the log is first created, it is golden. Or, no changes to the call in the log after the hunt. The other info has no bearing on the competition. Generally, the foxes should begin to recognize calls since they hear them week after week, and see them in print. That will have more of an effect than the post rule. However, there should be no posting to the main reflectors since it just takes up bandwidth and in reality serves no purpose other than for those who may be a victim of propogation, and the probability of them working a fox is probably slim anyway Another thought would be to split the competition into team and individual. If you are on a team, you don't compete as an individual. Teams can do whatever to maximize the score other than bribe the fox. I agree with Mike, fewer rules make more fun. And this particular rule doesn't really affect the hunt. You just might find the fox a few seconds faster. My 2 cents worth. John K8WDN --- In qfox@..., Michael Harnage <w1mt@y...> wrote:
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Fox Hunt
Jim Miller
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI'm a rookie to Ham activities and certainly to Fox Hunting. I've got
internet access but don't see that as the issue.
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I like hunting for the fox. It's challenging and that's what makes it fun
for me. It also helps me to learn to listen better. It encourages me to see if
there's something I can do with procedures, environmental noise reduction,
antennas, filters, headphones or whatever to improve my chances. It also makes
me realize that propagation is a big deal.
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In normal operation you just QSO with whoever you can; you have no idea of
what you're missing since you have no apriori knowledge of who's on the band. In
fox hunting you know they're out there somewhere and are forced to really try to
dig them out within the allotted time.
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I see absolutely no reason for "spotting". What on earth is the point of it
other than ruining the hunt for others?
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Of course we could always do a hunt on 60M. We'd only have to look in five
places and get rid of these silly keys. Wouldn't need VFOs since we could all
just use five xtals. Nevermind about working split since we'd all be
channeled.
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jim ab3cv (where's my meds...) |
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Re: Fox posts, teams, and morality
VE3FAL-Fred
If you taught them how to find the Fox, they'd be in for the
full measure of skill-building and fun I agree..... On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:34:22 -0800 Lloyd Lachow <llachow@...> wrote: On 11/11/05, Bill Stietenroth <k5zty@...> wrote: |
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Re: Fox posts, teams, and morality
OK LL, I concede. You're right, what we need is more government to make
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it fair for the have nots. Take it from those who do and give it to those who don't. k5zty On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 15:34:22 -0800 Lloyd Lachow <llachow@...> writes: On 11/11/05, Bill Stietenroth <k5zty@...> wrote:
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Re: Fox posts, teams, and morality
VE3FAL-Fred
Ridiculous.....
Again, yes rules are needed. Again, this in a HOBBY. Again we are supposed to have FUN. Again and again and again. Last night I never heard sh*t on the bands but a few very weak hounds,I had no idea if they were calling up or down from the fox. I just used the VFO dial to tune both directions (yes folks, the dial does turn so you can scan to possibly hear the FOX. Nothing was heard,I turned the radio off in the truck, and wrote off another night. C'est La Vie..... |
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Re: Fox posts, teams, and morality
On 11/11/05, Bill Stietenroth <k5zty@...> wrote:
. What caused this rule to be formualted anyway?? Some one work too many foxes??It was made to even out the inequality if opportunity for Peltii for Hounds without internet access during the Hunt. Do you know how to find the Fox, as an experienced Hound? If so, you're doing the up-and-comers a disservice, IMHO, by spotting for them. If you taught them how to find the Fox, they'd be in for the full measure of skill-building and fun! LL/K3ESE |
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Re: Fox posts, teams, and morality
Larry Makoski W2LJ
Bill Stietenroth wrote:
How about those sending "up.up" on the foxes frequency? Is that spotting?Bill, Nahhhhhh! That's just an attempt to get guys off the listening frequency! ;) 73 de Larry W2LJ QRP - When you care enough to send the very least! |
Lloyd K3ESE
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