Re: Fox posts, teams, and morality
Interesting topic.
As one who has not been the member of a team, I've wondered why we
have them, especially when team members could be spread throughout the
country. I've been asked several times to join a team, but purposely
said no because I knew I couldn't count on being there every week.
Being the member of a team carries that one big obligation - to be
there - which is good when you can do it. To me, the reason for
teams, would be for making the personal commitment to be there each
week on behalf of your other teammates.
But hearing now that team members are potentially sharing spots
doesn't sit well with me, especially since a team member can also be
the top recipient individually for the collecting the greatest number
of pelts. That would mean that some individuals were advantaged in
earning pelts.
I personally don't think we can have both ways - either we should
disallow spots altogether, private or public, even for teams, or we
must declare team members as being ineligible to receive the bragging
rights of being a top contender for individual scores.
On the other hand - this is just for fun, right? How I do each year
in total pelts is a personal challenge more than competition against
others. (Although it does look nice to see how few, or how many,
people are above you in having more pelts collected, or hearing that
others were just as disadvantaged in a given with propagation as I was.)
Cheers/73,
Kevin, K9IUA
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--- In qfox@..., Michael Harnage <w1mt@y...> wrote:
Hi LL,
Thanks for opening this up for public discussion. Here
are my thought for whatever they might be worth (not
much, I am afraid).
My personal feeling is that: less rules = more fun :)
Most teams communicate and always have.
If you are going to tell teams that they can't
communicate during the hunts, well then, why have
teams? After all, teams are, well, teams and they are
supposed to work as a, hmmmm, team.
As a member of a team last year (too many other
commitments to play on a team this year) I can tell
you that it is a blast to play as a team.
Just my 2 cents.
73 de w1mt
Mike
--- Lloyd Lachow <llachow@g...> wrote:
Anyway, I'm afraid that Team members, and maybe
others, are using
various methods of communicating Fox spots to each
other during the
Hunts, and I wanted to discuss this publicly.
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Re: Fox posts, teams, and morality
Yes, thanks LL for bringing this up.
First, I don't participate in the fox hunts to win anything. However, because the results are tallied and posted periodically it is a competition of sorts so I try my best and hope to bag them both each week.
I am a member of a team but we do not communicate with each other during the hunts, or at least I don't and I don't think my team mates do either. The hunts are individual operating events first, or so I thought. I joined a team this winter for the camaraderie and in hopes of maybe learning something from my team mates, not to improve my chances of bagging the fox. And although I want my team to do well every week, I would never help any of my team members during a hunt even if I thought it within the rules.
This past summer I was not part of a team and although I ended up down the list a pretty good piece once it was all said and done, I was "in the hunt" so to speak up until the last two or three weeks and I just assumed I was competing for the top spot against others who were hunting the fox as I was, without the assistance of others. This is my first time to be on a team and if I had thought team members shared information during the hunts I would not have joined one in the first place. I don't want to be told where the fox is. Finding the fox is part of the game, maybe the biggest part of the game when conditions are as they were last night. As LL put it, it is after all a hunt.
If you're going to tell your team mates where the fox is, you might as well just go ahead and work the fox with their call signs.
Finally, having said all that, it really doesn't matter to me if others share info during the hunts. But it does change the game for me. It's no longer an individual competition. Maybe it never was. But that doesn't matter because it's still fun.
Just my $.02 ... See you all next week.
72 Greg K4KO
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Re: Fox posts, teams, and morality
-- Lloyd Lachow <llachow@...> wrote:
Fellow Fox Fans,
We recently tweaked the rules to disallow posting of Fox spots, as
most know. The actual quote is, "The posting of "spots" (or reports
about fox activity that indicate a Fox's operating frequency) is
prohibited during a hunt and will result in disqualification."
Recently, I joined a team and was surprised to see that I got a
private email containing a Fox spot. I advised my teammates that I
thought that the rule applied to private, as well as public posting of
Fox Spots. In fact, I'm sure it does, since I wrote it.
So, did you disqualify the team??
k5zty
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Re: Fox posts, teams, and morality
Hi LL, Thanks for opening this up for public discussion. Here are my thought for whatever they might be worth (not much, I am afraid). My personal feeling is that: less rules = more fun :) Most teams communicate and always have. If you are going to tell teams that they can't communicate during the hunts, well then, why have teams? After all, teams are, well, teams and they are supposed to work as a, hmmmm, team. As a member of a team last year (too many other commitments to play on a team this year) I can tell you that it is a blast to play as a team. Just my 2 cents. 73 de w1mt Mike --- Lloyd Lachow <llachow@...> wrote: Anyway, I'm afraid that Team members, and maybe
others, are using
various methods of communicating Fox spots to each
other during the
Hunts, and I wanted to discuss this publicly.
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Re: FOX: Really Rough Condx ;^(
I didn't even hear Doc for the first hour of the hunt. I heard the pack hunting John; but never heard John. I expected as much. At the beginning of the last half hour, all of a sudden, Doc's signal popped out of the mud. QSB was deep and fast. What made it tough was that I couldn't hear any of the hounds that Doc was responding to. I couldn't tell how far up Doc was listening; or if he was working simplex, it being later in the hunt. So I started spacing out my calls a few kHz upwards at a time. I apologize if any of my calls were so close to Doc that it made it difficult for the rest of you. Now I know what flying IFR must be like!
I'm pretty sure I bagged Doc with about 4 or 5 minutes left to spare. As I was working Doc, I heard Juan KG4FSN feverishly calling, too. Juan is always a solid signal up here to NJ. Last night he was very weak also; so the Propagation Pixies must have been on liberty for Veteran's Day, or something.
A big thanks to Doc and John for your efforts on a really crummy night, propagation wise! It was definitely a "Fox Hunt" last night; and not a "Fox Get".
73 de Larry W2LJ
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Fox posts, teams, and morality
Fellow Fox Fans,
We recently tweaked the rules to disallow posting of Fox spots, as
most know. The actual quote is, "The posting of "spots" (or reports
about fox activity that indicate a Fox's operating frequency) is
prohibited during a hunt and will result in disqualification."
Recently, I joined a team and was surprised to see that I got a
private email containing a Fox spot. I advised my teammates that I
thought that the rule applied to private, as well as public posting of
Fox Spots. In fact, I'm sure it does, since I wrote it.
Anyway, I'm afraid that Team members, and maybe others, are using
various methods of communicating Fox spots to each other during the
Hunts, and I wanted to discuss this publicly.
Nobody can tell if people are spotting Foxii for each other
off-list, whether in Teams or not. Similarly, nobody can verify
whether Hounds are using 5W or QRO in the Hunts. These are matters
that are left to the personal consciences of the individuals playing
the game...but they affect the entire enterprise we're all engaged in.
The honor sytem only works among those with honor. Please think
about whether, when Ken hands you the Team Plaque in Dayton next May,
if you'd feel the same about it either way, hmmm...?
LL/K3ESE
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Re: FOX: Really Rough Condx ;^(
I experienced the same thing, except that Doc remained loud for the
remainder of the hunt. Not only did signals come up, but my noise floor
dropped significantly as well.
I never heard John, nor hounds in pursuit of him.
Al, K2ZN
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----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Imel <jeffimel@...> Date: Friday, November 11, 2005 8:27 am Subject: Re: [qfox] FOX: Really Rough Condx ;^( At around 0300 UTC K0EVZ all of the sudden jumped from ESP to 20
over S9. Wow! Doc stayed there for 12 minutes and then faded back
into the noise in about three minutes.
It appeared we had a conduit between East Central Indiana and New
Mexico, so I replied with my 1 watt into a 600 ohm ladderline fed
40 meter vertical dipole and Doc heard me...sounds like from his
remarks I was loud on his end also.
This propagation thing is an interesting animal. I wonder what
happened to make Doc signal so loud for 12 minutes.
73
Jeff
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Re: FOX: Really Rough Condx ;^(
At around 0300 UTC K0EVZ all of the sudden jumped
from ESP to 20 over S9.? Wow!? Doc stayed there for 12 minutes and
then faded back into the noise in about?three minutes.
?
It appeared we had a conduit between East Central
Indiana and New Mexico, so I replied with my 1 watt into a 600 ohm ladderline
fed 40 meter vertical dipole and?Doc heard me...sounds like from his
remarks I was loud on his end also.
?
This propagation thing is an interesting
animal.? I wonder what happened to make Doc signal so loud for 12
minutes.
?
73
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Jeff
K9ESE
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Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 7:57
AM
Subject: Re: [qfox] FOX: Really Rough
Condx ;^(
Good job Doc.? Too bad about the propagation.?
You were a solid S9 here in
SE WI at the start of the hunt and about S8
when I worked you.? About a half
hour later we couldn't hear you
anymore because a number of the Cheeseheads
commented about not hearing
you on 2 mtrs.
72,
Jerry N9AW
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Cc:
Sent:
Friday, November 11, 2005 1:18 AM
Subject: [qfox] FOX: Really Rough Condx
;^(
> Gang:
>
> Conditions were *REALLY* rough
tonite, almost from the beginning, sad to
> say.? I had really
hoped they would be at least as good as they were on
> Monday evening
for the ARS Sprint.? But alas it was not to be, doggonit.
> Sorry
guys.? Despite my best efforts, I only managed ~52 QSOes raw
score.
> I will do my best to post the log sometime Friday.? Karl
and Tom will be
> surprised, I'll wager!? And Todd AG0T was
absolutely booming in here early
> in the hunt.? But conditions
really went downhill from the beginning.? QRN
> was rough, reaching
S8+ at the end.? And QSB was a challenge throughout.
> Plus several
times guys decided to call CQ almost dead on-frequency [g].
> Oh
well.
>
> I tried QSYing a couple of times, and the last one
actually seemed to help
> a lot.? Thanks and congrats to you
intrepid and excellent ops who found me
> almost immediately.? And
what was truly impressive was how well everyone
> worked as a true TEAM,
working very quickly, so that I was able to put as
> many guys as
possible into the log in the few minutes we had left.? I
>
could
> not hear anyone still calling at the very end.? Thanks very
much for this
> true teamwork, guys.? It was truly great teamwork
by a great group of
> highly disciplined QRPers, and it made me proud to
be a part of this
> community!? Great going.? I hope all of us
could hear how this went.? It
> was what many of have been working
for the past near-decade or so!? Wow,
> truly
impressive.
>
> Anyway, more later.
>
> 73,
>
--Doc/K0EVZ
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>
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Re: [QRP-L] FOX: Really Rough Condx ;^(
really really rough .. almost *everyone* was at ESP levels, I could
hear hounds right at the noise and every once in a while somebody
would pop out. Wish I could say I had 52 Doc, my number is probably
closer to 32 :(
de w1rt/john
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On 11/11/05, W.D. (Doc) Lindsey <dock0evz@...> wrote: Gang:
Conditions were *REALLY* rough tonite, almost from the beginning, sad to
say. I had really hoped they would be at least as good as they were on
Monday evening for the ARS Sprint. But alas it was not to be, doggonit.
Sorry guys. Despite my best efforts, I only managed ~52 QSOes raw score.
I will do my best to post the log sometime Friday. Karl and Tom will be
surprised, I'll wager! And Todd AG0T was absolutely booming in here early
in the hunt. But conditions really went downhill from the beginning. QRN
was rough, reaching S8+ at the end. And QSB was a challenge throughout.
Plus several times guys decided to call CQ almost dead on-frequency [g].
Oh well.
I tried QSYing a couple of times, and the last one actually seemed to help
a lot. Thanks and congrats to you intrepid and excellent ops who found me
almost immediately. And what was truly impressive was how well everyone
worked as a true TEAM, working very quickly, so that I was able to put as
many guys as possible into the log in the few minutes we had left. I could
not hear anyone still calling at the very end. Thanks very much for this
true teamwork, guys. It was truly great teamwork by a great group of
highly disciplined QRPers, and it made me proud to be a part of this
community! Great going. I hope all of us could hear how this went. It
was what many of have been working for the past near-decade or so! Wow,
truly impressive.
Anyway, more later.
73,
--Doc/K0EVZ
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Re: FOX: Really Rough Condx ;^(
Good job Doc. Too bad about the propagation. You were a solid S9 here in SE WI at the start of the hunt and about S8 when I worked you. About a half hour later we couldn't hear you anymore because a number of the Cheeseheads commented about not hearing you on 2 mtrs.
72,
Jerry N9AW
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----- Original Message ----- From: "W.D. (Doc) Lindsey" <dock0evz@...> To: "qfox" <qfox@...>; "QRP-L Reflector" <qrp-l@...> Cc: <dock0evz@...> Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 1:18 AM Subject: [qfox] FOX: Really Rough Condx ;^( Gang:
Conditions were *REALLY* rough tonite, almost from the beginning, sad to
say. I had really hoped they would be at least as good as they were on
Monday evening for the ARS Sprint. But alas it was not to be, doggonit.
Sorry guys. Despite my best efforts, I only managed ~52 QSOes raw score.
I will do my best to post the log sometime Friday. Karl and Tom will be
surprised, I'll wager! And Todd AG0T was absolutely booming in here early
in the hunt. But conditions really went downhill from the beginning. QRN
was rough, reaching S8+ at the end. And QSB was a challenge throughout.
Plus several times guys decided to call CQ almost dead on-frequency [g].
Oh well.
I tried QSYing a couple of times, and the last one actually seemed to help
a lot. Thanks and congrats to you intrepid and excellent ops who found me
almost immediately. And what was truly impressive was how well everyone
worked as a true TEAM, working very quickly, so that I was able to put as
many guys as possible into the log in the few minutes we had left. I could
not hear anyone still calling at the very end. Thanks very much for this
true teamwork, guys. It was truly great teamwork by a great group of
highly disciplined QRPers, and it made me proud to be a part of this
community! Great going. I hope all of us could hear how this went. It
was what many of have been working for the past near-decade or so! Wow,
truly impressive.
Anyway, more later.
73,
--Doc/K0EVZ
W.D. (Doc) Lindsey
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Well it was another onefer for me. Worked Doc but no sign of John.
Doc was loud here but I must not have been loud there cause it took a
while before I caught him. That is the 3rd 1 fer this year so
conditions are about the same for the last 3 weeks.
will be looking next week.
Bill N8WS
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Scott, My radio dial showed him to be at 7034 working up 1 to 2 mostly. At 22:01 11/10/2005 -0600, you wrote: Bagged Doc right out of the gate, a good S5 on the K2. Good thing because it went down hill from there. Never did find RT...What was his freq?
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Karl:
You are definitely in the log, very early! Signal was not strong, given
the distance, but great going!
73,
--Doc/K0EVZ
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From: karl larsen <k5di@...>
To: <qfox@...>
Date: 11/10/2005 8:05:45 PM
Subject: Re: [qfox] Ugly night so far
Hi Gary, you called it right. I too am hearing QSO's between the
East and West coast based on call sign but that is not certain. But I
don't hear any weak signals. Those I hear are real loud. So after an
hour of hearing no Fox or any hounds except those calling Doc, I'm about
to call it a night. At least I think I got Doc.
glyons1948 wrote:
Not a peep from either Foxii nor any hounds.
Lots of good signals from Caribbean, PA, NY, AZ.
My only comfort at this point is others here are having the same luck
I am.
Back at it for the remaining 45 minutes.
Gary/W0GX
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FOX: Really Rough Condx ;^(
Gang:
Conditions were *REALLY* rough tonite, almost from the beginning, sad to
say. I had really hoped they would be at least as good as they were on
Monday evening for the ARS Sprint. But alas it was not to be, doggonit.
Sorry guys. Despite my best efforts, I only managed ~52 QSOes raw score.
I will do my best to post the log sometime Friday. Karl and Tom will be
surprised, I'll wager! And Todd AG0T was absolutely booming in here early
in the hunt. But conditions really went downhill from the beginning. QRN
was rough, reaching S8+ at the end. And QSB was a challenge throughout.
Plus several times guys decided to call CQ almost dead on-frequency [g].
Oh well.
I tried QSYing a couple of times, and the last one actually seemed to help
a lot. Thanks and congrats to you intrepid and excellent ops who found me
almost immediately. And what was truly impressive was how well everyone
worked as a true TEAM, working very quickly, so that I was able to put as
many guys as possible into the log in the few minutes we had left. I could
not hear anyone still calling at the very end. Thanks very much for this
true teamwork, guys. It was truly great teamwork by a great group of
highly disciplined QRPers, and it made me proud to be a part of this
community! Great going. I hope all of us could hear how this went. It
was what many of have been working for the past near-decade or so! Wow,
truly impressive.
Anyway, more later.
73,
--Doc/K0EVZ
W.D. (Doc) Lindsey
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It is 12:15 eastern time,0515z, anyone want to try a qso on 40..I will check my email in a bit again to see if anyone replies.
Fred
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I'm pretty sure I heard some hounds around 7.035, but I couldn't find
the Fox. Besides a few other random QSOs, the band seemed to be
pretty quiet here in eastern PA.
Were both Foxes listening UP? Where were they?
Marten
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All,
When the ether gods weren't smiling at me, they were down right rolling on the floor tonite.
Doc was a solid copy until 0230 when he just totally disappeared. The problem that I had was he was the only signal heard. NADA from the hounds so I had no idea where Doc was listening as he worked other stations. I did a simplex call and did not get through so I figured that it would be a good idea not to do that again. At 0245 he flew out of the mud and I rang his doorbell. One down and one to go.
John was a totally different story. I never heard him. In fact, the only hint that I had of where he was lurking was Todd's "N9NE" signal around 7.0355 or so. As the clock died, John was never heard and not worked.
Other than that, it was a great evening sitting out on the patio and enjoying the cool (finally) weather. Based on what I have read so far, I was pretty lucky. My best to all and a hearty "tnx" to both foxii.
--
Jay
AJ4AY
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N1IX Final FOX Log of 3 November 2005
Just goofed and posted a 'thanks' for a log correction to this group
rather than to the individual. Gotta watch that!
Here is Dave's final log. Thanks to the three of you who caught
errors. That makes my job much easier.
72
Todd
N9NE
Floorsweeper, er, Scorekeeper
0200 N5KIP 559 LA DICK 5W
0201 N4DD 559 TN DENNIS 5W
0202 AJ4AY 559 AL JAY 5W
0204 N3BJ 559 VA ALAN 5W
0205 WA8BXN 559 OH MIKE 5W
0206 AB9CA 559 AL DAVE 5W
0207 K0EVZ 559 NM DOC 5W
0207 VA3NR 559 ON CHRIS 5W
0209 N0AR 559 MN SCOTT 5W
0210 K8CV 559 MI WALT 5W
0211 WD7Z 559 NM DAVE 5W
0212 W9XU 559 WI LON 5W
0213 WB8WTU 559 OH DENNIS 5W
0213 N8WS 559 OH BILL 5W
0214 K9IS 559 WI STEVE 5W
0215 KB2FEL 559 WV BOB 5W
0216 KL7V/5 559 OK SAM 5W
0217 AF4LQ 559 KY MIKE 5W
0217 K9ESE 559 IN JEFF 1W
0218 W0CH 559 MO DAVE 5W
0219 W4FOA 559 GA TONY 5W
0220 NK9G 559 WI RICK 5W
0221 WA9TZE 559 WI JIM 5W
0222 K4CZ 559 NC BARRY 5W
0229 K6VNX 559 CA ARLEN 5W
0230 NU8S 559 OH DENNIS 5W
0231 N4ROA 559 VA DAN 5W
0232 W5TB 559 TX DOC 5W
0233 K5DI 559 NM KARL 5W
0234 NK6A 559 CA DON 5W
0236 KZ5J 559 TX PAT 5W
0238 AC7A 559 AZ TOM 5W
0238 K5ZTY 559 TX BILL 5W
0239 W9LR 559 WI BILL 5W
0240 K8KFJ 559 WV GARY 5W
0241 KK5LD 559 TX DAN 5W
0244 K5EOA 559 LA WAYNE 5W
0246 W2MY 559 TX STEVE 5W
0246 W5HNS 559 TX HENRY 5W
0247 K8WDN 559 OH JOHN 5W
0250 KR0U 559 CO TIM 5W
0250 W0NTA 559 CO DICK 5W
0251 N9AW 559 WI JERRY 5W
0254 W9NX 559 IL KENT 5W
0255 K5JHP 559 TX BILL 5W
0257 KB9ZUV 559 IN GARY 5W
0300 N4KV 559 TN JOHN 5W
0303 K4KO 559 TN GREG 5W
0308 AC5JH 559 OK TOM 5W
0310 K5BGB 559 TX ROD 5W
0311 KB5FC 559 OK JOEL 5W
0315 W5USJ 559 TX CHUCK 5W
0319 NV4V 559 KY PETE 5W
0330 W7KXB xxx WA FOX 5W
0330 N1IX xxx NH FOX 5W
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Well nada into Nrothwestern Ontario tonight..2 weeks in a row now.... Lets hope for better cdx next week. On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 02:58:08 -0000 "va3nr" <va3nr@...> wrote: Find K0EVZ Fred? Doc sig's coming up nicely now in VE3. I've haven't heard John W1RT yet.
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Bagged Doc right out of the gate, a good S5 on the K2. Good thing because it went down hill from there. Never did find RT...What was his freq?
72 Scott N0AR
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