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Non NW Ambe Support


 

Hi..

Are there any future plans to support non NW Ambe Boards as I have 2 that come up as Serial but the Program wont detect them.

Thanks

Rob.

mw1coe


 

It depends on how easy it would be to add it...

If you can give me the details of the device, I will see what I can do. Where does the device show up under /dev? What baudrate does it need? Are there any serial parameters that it needs that would be considered non-standard? Most importantly, is it using the same AMBE-3000 chip as the ThumbDV? If not, I will probably need to get my hands on a device and the manufacturers documentation. In that case, it would also be nice to start with an already published, working driver. My CDV3000U C++ class driver is based on open-source work by K7VE, NH6Z and G4KLX, so my driver design was the easy part of the qdv development.


 

So after a Little Investigation it's a Clone..

It's a WT3080 Ambe 3000 Compatible Device

It Does use the 460800

I included a Schematic with some documentation but not sure if its gonna help..

Rob.


 

the Device was /dev/tty/USB0


On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 10:07 AM Robert Alford via Groups.Io <Mw1coe=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
So after a Little Investigation it's a Clone..

It's a WT3080 Ambe 3000 Compatible Device

It Does use the 460800

I included a Schematic with some documentation but not sure if its gonna help..

Rob.



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It doesn't look like it's fully compatible with the AMBE-3000. According to Google Translate, there is no D-Star en/de-coding, only DMR. Apparently, this chip is used in Chinese DMR radios.

It looks like this is a no-go for qdv, unless you can find evidence that it can be used for D-Star.

On 7/21/19 8:07 AM, Robert Alford wrote:
So after a Little Investigation it's a Clone..

It's a WT3080 Ambe 3000 Compatible Device

It Does use the 460800

I included a Schematic with some documentation but not sure if its gonna help..

Rob.
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I use it on bluedv. Works on dmr and dstar, also receives c4fm as bluedv doesn't fully support c4fm yet for tx


On Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 12:49 PM Tom Early <n7tae@...> wrote:

It doesn't look like it's fully compatible with the AMBE-3000. According to Google Translate, there is no D-Star en/de-coding, only DMR. Apparently, this chip is used in Chinese DMR radios.

It looks like this is a no-go for qdv, unless you can find evidence that it can be used for D-Star.

On 7/21/19 8:07 AM, Robert Alford wrote:
So after a Little Investigation it's a Clone..

It's a WT3080 Ambe 3000 Compatible Device

It Does use the 460800

I included a Schematic with some documentation but not sure if its gonna help..

Rob.
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73
n7tae (at) tearly (dot) net


 

I got 2 maybe I can loan ya one..


On Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 3:15 PM Robert Alford via Groups.Io <Mw1coe=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
I use it on bluedv. Works on dmr and dstar, also receives c4fm as bluedv doesn't fully support c4fm yet for tx

On Sun, Jul 21, 2019, 12:49 PM Tom Early <n7tae@...> wrote:

It doesn't look like it's fully compatible with the AMBE-3000. According to Google Translate, there is no D-Star en/de-coding, only DMR. Apparently, this chip is used in Chinese DMR radios.

It looks like this is a no-go for qdv, unless you can find evidence that it can be used for D-Star.

On 7/21/19 8:07 AM, Robert Alford wrote:
So after a Little Investigation it's a Clone..

It's a WT3080 Ambe 3000 Compatible Device

It Does use the 460800

I included a Schematic with some documentation but not sure if its gonna help..

Rob.
-- 
___________________________
73
n7tae (at) tearly (dot) net


 

Where did you get them? Is this the DVMEGA DVstick30?


 

No I got them from another


On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 6:30 AM Tom Early <n7tae@...> wrote:
Where did you get them? Is this the DVMEGA DVstick30?


 

Team6160@groups.io

They were only like $65

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 7:33 AM Robert Alford via Groups.Io <Mw1coe=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
No I got them from another


On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 6:30 AM Tom Early <n7tae@...> wrote:
Where did you get them? Is this the DVMEGA DVstick30?


 

You wanna borrow one.. I got 2


On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 8:09 PM Robert Alford via Groups.Io <Mw1coe=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Team6160@groups.io

They were only like $65

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 7:33 AM Robert Alford via Groups.Io <Mw1coe=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
No I got them from another


On Mon, Jul 22, 2019, 6:30 AM Tom Early <n7tae@...> wrote:
Where did you get them? Is this the DVMEGA DVstick30?


 

No thank you. If your device is showing up on /dev/ttyUSB0 but not being opened by qdv, then I think that means that it is not a fully compatible clone of an AMBE-3000 device. Without either a white paper describing the software interface (like the one DVSI published), or an open-source example to go from, I'm not going to invest any time on this. Trying to figure out what the differences are by trial-and-error is not something I want to do.

I have asked to join Team6160 on July 22 but there has been no response yet.


 

It would likely just be better to create a multi-channel software vocoder for D-Star, this chip business is silly.

A lot of folks use the MD380 emulator (which is the handy work of Travis, KK4VCZ's md380 reverse engineering project) to get around the hardware requirements of most systems that with otherwise require with dongles or boards.

Its also the preference for a virtual environment where you don't have physical access to the servers. Russell, KV4S did a good job documenting this with his blog entry titled "Hosting an AllStar Node and an AllStarDMR bridge in the cloud"

Sadly that emulator doesn't support D-Star even though that is the mode completely out of patent.



If someone is up to coding a solution for D-Star, these projects might be good to look at as some of the basics are in these projects:




 

Steve,

I appreciate what you are trying to do, but you could have provided a link to . There is a lot of good stuff there.

For me, I'm not that interested in fooling around with software solutions to Icom and Motorola/Yaesu vocoders. If this was truly on the up-and-up, how come many of the github repositories dealing with D-Star vocoder are published by anonymous-type users? Bruce Perens is rich, he can afford a lawyer. I'm not.

I'm waiting for an affordable, high quality Codec2-based HT and mobile radio, then I think I'll probably sell all my big vendor hardware at the next hamfest and be very happy to move to a 100% open-source world, even if it never becomes as popular as what we have now.

That's why I'm keeping my eye on the . Do you know of other projects that are as far along as they are?

Tom N7TAE


 

I too have been waiting for this Codec2 thing to put something in my hands for VHF UHF. It seems their focus has been mostly for HF. I was hoping by now to at least see some code I could run on a Raspberry PI and interface to the packet radio port of my analog radio.

The M17 project is also interesting, but I feel it will be pretty much the same problem, getting commercial vendors to adopt it.

So in my opinion, the best option is APCO25. Its been out of patent for 8 or so years, and there are multiple manufactures of the radios, as well as used radios floating around.

As for anonymous authors, its easy to see that DSD (the oldest project) is maintained by Jared Szechy, K8JSS

The more recent rewrite is via a French ham:


With the other two projects that I mentioned before their contact info is easily obtainable for anyone who wants to reach out and help with the projects.

And the non ham project, the GEO mobile radio project, also has the coders names in the git rep:


No one is hiding, there has always been exceptions for non-commercial/research usage of patented technology. By our very definition, ham radio has always existed based on that very premise.
There has been a lot of mis-information over the years, ironically by some of the folks that sell AMBE thumb dongles.

This is very different than taking something that isn't your and selling it for profit like the Team6160 AMBE guys, or the more recent Hytera news.