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Jeff Deam's Bird Photos

 

I think many of you will enjoy and be as impressed as I am with Jeff's photos of birds and the documentation/organization of his many bird photos.

Check out his Flickr site:



As you could also see in his photos/prints in the June/July color exchange from the Mt. Baker/Snoqualmie National Forest and early print exchanges, he is very good at taking landscape photos too.

Gary


Re: Introduction, Jeff Deam

 

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Hi Jeff, ?

Welcome to the group. ?You will find great inspiration here. ?I for one will surely find inspiration in your bird work. ?I have missed so many good photos of birds by being unprepared that it haunts me.

-Rob



On Aug 24, 2022, at 3:46 PM, Tom O'Connell via groups.io <tomoconnell44@...> wrote:

?HI Jeff-

Welcome aboard. There are several really excellent bird photographers here (I’m not one of them…I get lots of BBBs - brown bird butts) and I’m sure you will learn a lot from them…though having a good knowledge of birds puts you in a great position to make winners. The technical stuff will come pretty quickly as you print more.

Enjoy the day!

Tom

Tom O'Connell





On Aug 24, 2022, at 12:23 PM, deam.jl@... wrote:

Hello everyone
I've participated (through Gary) in a few exchanges already, but was just made aware of this site, so I thought it would be good to introduce myself.
?
I live just north of Seattle. I retired about 8 years ago, the last 10+ years before that I was Gary's primary I/T guy for several of his applications.
?
I don't really consider myself a photographer, my hobby is birding. But I do focus on photographing birds as opposed to just viewing them. I'm not that knowledgeable about gear and techniques, and have pretty basic post-processing skills (I only use Photoshop Elements).? I have to say I'm impressed with what I've seen on this exchange.

Thanks for letting me participate.
?
Jeff Deam


Re: Introduction, Jeff Deam

 

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HI Jeff-

Welcome aboard. There are several really excellent bird photographers here (I’m not one of them…I get lots of BBBs - brown bird butts) and I’m sure you will learn a lot from them…though having a good knowledge of birds puts you in a great position to make winners. The technical stuff will come pretty quickly as you print more.

Enjoy the day!

Tom

Tom O'Connell





On Aug 24, 2022, at 12:23 PM, deam.jl@... wrote:

Hello everyone
I've participated (through Gary) in a few exchanges already, but was just made aware of this site, so I thought it would be good to introduce myself.
?
I live just north of Seattle. I retired about 8 years ago, the last 10+ years before that I was Gary's primary I/T guy for several of his applications.
?
I don't really consider myself a photographer, my hobby is birding. But I do focus on photographing birds as opposed to just viewing them. I'm not that knowledgeable about gear and techniques, and have pretty basic post-processing skills (I only use Photoshop Elements).? I have to say I'm impressed with what I've seen on this exchange.

Thanks for letting me participate.
?
Jeff Deam


Introduction, Jeff Deam

 

Hello everyone
I've participated (through Gary) in a few exchanges already, but was just made aware of this site, so I thought it would be good to introduce myself.
?
I live just north of Seattle. I retired about 8 years ago, the last 10+ years before that I was Gary's primary I/T guy for several of his applications.
?
I don't really consider myself a photographer, my hobby is birding. But I do focus on photographing birds as opposed to just viewing them. I'm not that knowledgeable about gear and techniques, and have pretty basic post-processing skills (I only use Photoshop Elements).? I have to say I'm impressed with what I've seen on this exchange.

Thanks for letting me participate.
?
Jeff Deam


FINAL AUG/SEPT Participant Lists

 

The following photographers are signed up for the Black & White exchange:

  1. Tom O'Connell
  2. Gary Benson
  3. Jayanand Govindaraj
  4. Steve Mustoe
  5. Westley Clavey
  6. Nara Narasimhan
  7. Mike King
  8. Rob Schwartz
  9. Otto Bacon
  10. Jeff Deam
  11. Joshua Daniels
  12. Rick Holmes

The following photographers are signed up for the Color print exchange:

  1. Tom O'Connell
  2. Gary Benson
  3. Jayanand Govindaraj
  4. Steve Mustoe
  5. Nara Narasimhan
  6. Mike King
  7. Rob Schwartz
  8. Otto Bacon
  9. Jeff Deam
  10. Joshua Daniels
  11. Rick Holmes
Please send your prints so they will arrive in Alaska no later than the last week of September.

Let me know if you have any questions.

Gary


USPS Flat Rate Mailers - Priority Mail vs Priority Mail EXPRESS

 

Just a reminder that there is a significant price difference between these two USPS flat rate mailing envelopes. ?

Please don’t attach a Priority Mail flat rate prepaid mailing label (currently $8.95) to a Priority Mail EXPRESS envelope. ?There will be an additional $18 in postage due if you use a Priority Mail EXPRESS flat rate mailer but only paid for the regular Priority Mail flat rate.

The EXPRESS flat rate envelope is a distinctive BLUE and white while the regular Priority Mail flat rate envelope is RED, white and blue.

Thank you.

Gary


Re: Nice batch of prints

 

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Welcome, Rick.

You’re in the right place…the semi-monthly print package has been consistently great for the last couple of years. We started out trying to teach each other and ourselves how to print - especially BW which was harder on printers than color at the time — and have progressed along the line of improvement over the 20 years.?

Looked at your website (and want to go back and spend more time on it). What a terrific body of work…looking forward to seeing more of it and holding your prints.

Cheers,


Tom

Tom O'Connell





On Aug 12, 2022, at 8:16 AM, Rick Holmes <holmesrick@...> wrote:

Hi all,

This is my first involvement with the exchange.? Wow! What a nice batch of prints!? I love the variety and super quality.

As a newcomer, I want to introduce myself. I live in southern Nevada USA. I'm a retired computer systems analyst - primarily software.? I've? been doing photography for several decades.? I got caught in the Nikon track when my father gave me his Ftn and am currently with the Z7ii.? I also like playing with pinhole cameras.? I can process my own C41 film with a Jobo CP3 but don't do it very often these days. Before digital I did my own wet darkroom printing? Now I primarily use Epson desktop printers and Photoshop.And Pixel Genius Photokit plugins.? And Nik and Topaz and ....?

I especially enjoy nature/landscapes, macro and flower photography.? I have a small cactus and succulent greenhouse which provides flowers for the studio.? I like doing birefringent crystals under a microscope also.

My unorganized, eclectic website is at .

Thanks for having me as part of the group!

Rick?






Nice batch of prints

Rick Holmes
 

Hi all,

This is my first involvement with the exchange.? Wow! What a nice batch of prints!? I love the variety and super quality.

As a newcomer, I want to introduce myself. I live in southern Nevada USA. I'm a retired computer systems analyst - primarily software.? I've? been doing photography for several decades.? I got caught in the Nikon track when my father gave me his Ftn and am currently with the Z7ii.? I also like playing with pinhole cameras.? I can process my own C41 film with a Jobo CP3 but don't do it very often these days. Before digital I did my own wet darkroom printing? Now I primarily use Epson desktop printers and Photoshop.And Pixel Genius Photokit plugins.? And Nik and Topaz and ....?

I especially enjoy nature/landscapes, macro and flower photography.? I have a small cactus and succulent greenhouse which provides flowers for the studio.? I like doing birefringent crystals under a microscope also.

My unorganized, eclectic website is at rickholmesphotos.com .

Thanks for having me as part of the group!

Rick?





Re: Added album August-September 2022 Print Exchanges #photo-notice

 

I'm glad to see the Albums again.? I will go back and add pictures in when I return home.


What to do now...

 
Edited

Hi folks,

As you may have seen, I created a Photos folder for the Aug/Sept print exchanges.?

So, just a few days after I posted the exchange signup and before we have even finalized the lists, I've selected my images, printed them and uploaded small JPG versions.? I've even created and printed the data sheets (which I usually put off for later).

Now what?? I suppose I could go out and take a few new photos, something I rarely do anymore.? It has been difficult for me to get motivated to do that when most of the places/things I find interesting here are either gone or now posted with "No Trespassing" signs.? :-(

Gary


Added album August-September 2022 Print Exchanges #photo-notice

Group Notification
 

Gary <bensonga@...> added the album August-September 2022 Print Exchanges: B&W and Color


Re: JUNE/JULY Prints Shipping Today

 

Thanks, Gary, for all the effort you put in to keep the exchanges going!

Cheers
Jayanand


On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 4:01 AM Gary <bensonga@...> wrote:
Hi folks,

I am heading to the Anchorage airport post office this afternoon to drop off the USPS mailers/boxes for all US residents plus Jayanand and Nara in India.
Mike -- I'll box up your prints this evening and send you an email with the weight and dimensions of the box so you an arrange for a DHL pickup in the next few days.?

Here is a quick summary of the prints submitted for the June/July exchanges:
B&W:? 13 participants submitted a total of 18 prints
Color:? 11 participants submitted a total of 16 prints

For those who participated in both print exchanges, you'll have 34 prints to view, enjoy and add to your print collections.

As always, there was a wide variety in the subjects/images that people chose to print.? There are some very fine landscapes, wildlife, portraits, architecture and other unusual subjects (Rick's composite of a total solar eclipse for example).? For the first time in quite awhile, we can see previews of the images in the Photos folder for this print exchange.? I have been remiss in not creating the Photo folder or in posting my own images in the past.? My thanks to Josh Daniels for asking about it and prompting me to create the Photo folder.? I'll continue to do that for future print exchanges.? It is unfortunate that the quality of the photos displayed by Groups.io is not higher and this is despite the fact that I'm sure quality of photos uploaded was in many cases much higher than displayed by Groups.io.? I'll see if there is a setting in Groups.io which would allow us to see higher resolution versions of the photos that have been uploaded.? I may check with Jim Coffee, an expert on Groups.io and a former print exchange coordinator.

Thanks again to everyone who participated in these exchanges.? I look forward to seeing your prints for the August/September exchange.

Gary


Re: JUNE/JULY Prints Shipping Today

 

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Thank YOU, Gary?

Tom O'Connell?
tomoconnell44@...

On Aug 7, 2022, at 3:31 PM, Gary <bensonga@...> wrote:

?Hi folks,

I am heading to the Anchorage airport post office this afternoon to drop off the USPS mailers/boxes for all US residents plus Jayanand and Nara in India.
Mike -- I'll box up your prints this evening and send you an email with the weight and dimensions of the box so you an arrange for a DHL pickup in the next few days.?

Here is a quick summary of the prints submitted for the June/July exchanges:
B&W:? 13 participants submitted a total of 18 prints
Color:? 11 participants submitted a total of 16 prints

For those who participated in both print exchanges, you'll have 34 prints to view, enjoy and add to your print collections.

As always, there was a wide variety in the subjects/images that people chose to print.? There are some very fine landscapes, wildlife, portraits, architecture and other unusual subjects (Rick's composite of a total solar eclipse for example).? For the first time in quite awhile, we can see previews of the images in the Photos folder for this print exchange.? I have been remiss in not creating the Photo folder or in posting my own images in the past.? My thanks to Josh Daniels for asking about it and prompting me to create the Photo folder.? I'll continue to do that for future print exchanges.? It is unfortunate that the quality of the photos displayed by Groups.io is not higher and this is despite the fact that I'm sure quality of photos uploaded was in many cases much higher than displayed by Groups.io.? I'll see if there is a setting in Groups.io which would allow us to see higher resolution versions of the photos that have been uploaded.? I may check with Jim Coffee, an expert on Groups.io and a former print exchange coordinator.

Thanks again to everyone who participated in these exchanges.? I look forward to seeing your prints for the August/September exchange.

Gary


JUNE/JULY Prints Shipping Today

 

Hi folks,

I am heading to the Anchorage airport post office this afternoon to drop off the USPS mailers/boxes for all US residents plus Jayanand and Nara in India.
Mike -- I'll box up your prints this evening and send you an email with the weight and dimensions of the box so you an arrange for a DHL pickup in the next few days.?

Here is a quick summary of the prints submitted for the June/July exchanges:
B&W:? 13 participants submitted a total of 18 prints
Color:? 11 participants submitted a total of 16 prints

For those who participated in both print exchanges, you'll have 34 prints to view, enjoy and add to your print collections.

As always, there was a wide variety in the subjects/images that people chose to print.? There are some very fine landscapes, wildlife, portraits, architecture and other unusual subjects (Rick's composite of a total solar eclipse for example).? For the first time in quite awhile, we can see previews of the images in the Photos folder for this print exchange.? I have been remiss in not creating the Photo folder or in posting my own images in the past.? My thanks to Josh Daniels for asking about it and prompting me to create the Photo folder.? I'll continue to do that for future print exchanges.? It is unfortunate that the quality of the photos displayed by Groups.io is not higher and this is despite the fact that I'm sure quality of photos uploaded was in many cases much higher than displayed by Groups.io.? I'll see if there is a setting in Groups.io which would allow us to see higher resolution versions of the photos that have been uploaded.? I may check with Jim Coffee, an expert on Groups.io and a former print exchange coordinator.

Thanks again to everyone who participated in these exchanges.? I look forward to seeing your prints for the August/September exchange.

Gary


Re: UPDATED AUG/SEPT Bi-Monthly Print Exchange Lists

 
Edited

Updated per Josh and Rick....

Gary

The following photographers are currently signed up for the Black & White exchange:

  1. Tom O'Connell
  2. Gary Benson
  3. Jayanand Govindaraj
  4. Steve Mustoe
  5. Westley Clavey
  6. Nara Narasimhan
  7. Mike King
  8. Rob Schwartz
  9. Otto Bacon
  10. Jeff Deam
  11. Joshua Daniels
  12. Rick Holmes

The following photographers are currently signed up for the Color print exchange:

  1. Tom O'Connell
  2. Gary Benson
  3. Jayanand Govindaraj
  4. Steve Mustoe
  5. Nara Narasimhan
  6. Mike King
  7. Rob Schwartz
  8. Otto Bacon
  9. Jeff Deam
  10. Joshua Daniels
  11. Rick Holmes
  12. Your name could be here


Re: SIGNUP is OPEN for the AUG/SEPT Bi-Monthly Print Exchanges

Rick Holmes
 

Please add Rick Holmes to both lists for Aug/Sept.? Thank you

On Saturday, August 6, 2022 at 11:19:57 AM PDT, Joshua Daniels <jad254@...> wrote:


Hi Gary:?

Please include me for this next exchange, for BW and color, this go-round.?

Thanks!?
—闯辞蝉丑

On Aug 5, 2022, at 11:18 AM, Gary via <bensonga@...> wrote:

Hi folks,

If you would like to participate in the August/September bi-monthly B&W and/or Color print exchanges (Letter/A4 size), please respond by email or post to the group.??

Signup will close on August 15th.? I will post the final lists on the 16th.

Please ship your prints so they arrive in Alaska no later than the last week of September.

The following photographers are currently signed up for the Black & White exchange:

  1. Tom O'Connell
  2. Gary Benson
  3. Jayanand Govindaraj
  4. Steve Mustoe
  5. Westley Clavey
  6. Nara Narasimhan
  7. Mike King
  8. Rob Schwartz
  9. Otto Bacon
  10. Jeff Deam
  11. Joshua Daniels
  12. Your name could be here

The following photographers are currently signed up for the Color print exchange:

  1. Tom O'Connell
  2. Gary Benson
  3. Jayanand Govindaraj
  4. Steve Mustoe
  5. Nara Narasimhan
  6. Mike King
  7. Rob Schwartz
  8. Otto Bacon
  9. Jeff Deam
10. Joshua Daniels

  1. Your name could be here
  2. Your name could be here

Please ship your prints for repackaging to:

Gary Benson
9843 Little Diomede Circle
Eagle River, Alaska 99577
(907) 242-6538

?

TO SUCCESSFULLY PARTICIPATE PLEASE READ ALL OF THE GUIDELINES BELOW

===================================================================

1) Prints are to be on either Letter (8.5x11) or A4 (8.3"x11.7") size paper. Please sign the print (generally done on the front).?

2) On about the 15th of the month you will be notified of how many participants there are for each exchange.? You are to print one print for each of the other participants and one for yourself.?

3) Prints should be enclosed in individual clear sleeves (for example Clear Bags B811SNF) along with a Tech Sheet. Include the date of the exchange, your name, print title and any information about the subject matter, printer, inkset, software, workflow etc on the Tech Sheet which may be of interest to other participants.? Optional: also include your own?critique?of your image.?

4) Make sure that whatever return box or mailing method you use can accommodate both Letter (8.5x11) and A4 (8.3"x11.7") sized prints.??The total number of prints submitted is likely be greater than for the prior monthly print exchanges, so for those participants in the USA a USPS Flat Rate Medium size box is probably the best choice, especially if you are participating in both the B&W and Color print exchanges.

?5) For example, mailing your prints (addressed to the print exchange coordinator) in a USPS Flat Rate envelope or medium size box with an enclosed prepaid USPS Click-n-Ship return LABEL for a Flat Rate envelope or medium size box (addressed to yourself)?should work?very well. ?See this message for additional details?and images of how others have packaged their prints.

6) If you have not included a return postage pre-paid label please send the print exchange coordinator funds for the cost of a USPS Flat Rate envelope or medium size box (whichever you prefer to use) attached to a sheet of paper which?clearly?shows your return address.?

7) Upload a file of the image you have printed into the?correct photo album.? It permits those that are not actively participating in the current exchange an opportunity to observe.? It also creates a historical record that is useful over the years.?

8) Comments on prints are welcome and encouraged, but are not required for participation in a print exchange.? Any topic or theme for a print exchange is entirely optional.

With best regards,

Gary Benson

one of the print exchange moderators

(907) 242-6538

bensonga@...



Re: SIGNUP is OPEN for the AUG/SEPT Bi-Monthly Print Exchanges

 

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Hi Gary:?

Please include me for this next exchange, for BW and color, this go-round.?

Thanks!?
—闯辞蝉丑

On Aug 5, 2022, at 11:18 AM, Gary via <bensonga@...> wrote:

Hi folks,

If you would like to participate in the August/September bi-monthly B&W and/or Color print exchanges (Letter/A4 size), please respond by email or post to the group.??

Signup will close on August 15th.? I will post the final lists on the 16th.

Please ship your prints so they arrive in Alaska no later than the last week of September.

The following photographers are currently signed up for the Black & White exchange:

  1. Tom O'Connell
  2. Gary Benson
  3. Jayanand Govindaraj
  4. Steve Mustoe
  5. Westley Clavey
  6. Nara Narasimhan
  7. Mike King
  8. Rob Schwartz
  9. Otto Bacon
  10. Jeff Deam
  11. Joshua Daniels
  12. Your name could be here

The following photographers are currently signed up for the Color print exchange:

  1. Tom O'Connell
  2. Gary Benson
  3. Jayanand Govindaraj
  4. Steve Mustoe
  5. Nara Narasimhan
  6. Mike King
  7. Rob Schwartz
  8. Otto Bacon
  9. Jeff Deam
10. Joshua Daniels

  1. Your name could be here
  2. Your name could be here

Please ship your prints for repackaging to:

Gary Benson
9843 Little Diomede Circle
Eagle River, Alaska 99577
(907) 242-6538

?

TO SUCCESSFULLY PARTICIPATE PLEASE READ ALL OF THE GUIDELINES BELOW

===================================================================

1) Prints are to be on either Letter (8.5x11) or A4 (8.3"x11.7") size paper. Please sign the print (generally done on the front).?

2) On about the 15th of the month you will be notified of how many participants there are for each exchange.? You are to print one print for each of the other participants and one for yourself.?

3) Prints should be enclosed in individual clear sleeves (for example Clear Bags B811SNF) along with a Tech Sheet. Include the date of the exchange, your name, print title and any information about the subject matter, printer, inkset, software, workflow etc on the Tech Sheet which may be of interest to other participants.? Optional: also include your own?critique?of your image.?

4) Make sure that whatever return box or mailing method you use can accommodate both Letter (8.5x11) and A4 (8.3"x11.7") sized prints.??The total number of prints submitted is likely be greater than for the prior monthly print exchanges, so for those participants in the USA a USPS Flat Rate Medium size box is probably the best choice, especially if you are participating in both the B&W and Color print exchanges.

?5) For example, mailing your prints (addressed to the print exchange coordinator) in a USPS Flat Rate envelope or medium size box with an enclosed prepaid USPS Click-n-Ship return LABEL for a Flat Rate envelope or medium size box (addressed to yourself)?should work?very well. ?See this message for additional details?and images of how others have packaged their prints.

6) If you have not included a return postage pre-paid label please send the print exchange coordinator funds for the cost of a USPS Flat Rate envelope or medium size box (whichever you prefer to use) attached to a sheet of paper which?clearly?shows your return address.?

7) Upload a file of the image you have printed into the?correct photo album.? It permits those that are not actively participating in the current exchange an opportunity to observe.? It also creates a historical record that is useful over the years.?

8) Comments on prints are welcome and encouraged, but are not required for participation in a print exchange.? Any topic or theme for a print exchange is entirely optional.

With best regards,

Gary Benson

one of the print exchange moderators

(907) 242-6538

bensonga@...



Re: QTR and ABW testing…

 

This morning I realized that when I mailed the April/May B&W prints I forgot to send the QTR version of a print that I offered to include for anyone who was interested.? If my notes are correct, Jayanand and Westley had requested one.? I'll include it with their June/July prints.

Is there anyone else who requested one that I have missed?

Gary


Re: UPDATE: June/July prints

 

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Great news, Gary.?

Let’s hope the logistics and timing are smoother for the next exchanges.

On Aug 5, 2022, at 1:09 PM, Gary <bensonga@...> wrote:

Good news....I have now received all of the June/July prints so I'll get them packed up and mailed back to you this weekend.

Gary


SIGNUP is OPEN for the AUG/SEPT Bi-Monthly Print Exchanges

 

Hi folks,

If you would like to participate in the August/September bi-monthly B&W and/or Color print exchanges (Letter/A4 size), please respond by email or post to the group.??

Signup will close on August 15th.? I will post the final lists on the 16th.

Please ship your prints so they arrive in Alaska no later than the last week of September.

The following photographers are currently signed up for the Black & White exchange:

  1. Tom O'Connell
  2. Gary Benson
  3. Jayanand Govindaraj
  4. Steve Mustoe
  5. Westley Clavey
  6. Nara Narasimhan
  7. Mike King
  8. Rob Schwartz
  9. Otto Bacon
  10. Jeff Deam
  11. Joshua Daniels
  12. Your name could be here

The following photographers are currently signed up for the Color print exchange:

  1. Tom O'Connell
  2. Gary Benson
  3. Jayanand Govindaraj
  4. Steve Mustoe
  5. Nara Narasimhan
  6. Mike King
  7. Rob Schwartz
  8. Otto Bacon
  9. Jeff Deam
  10. Your name could be here
  11. Your name could be here
  12. Your name could be here

Please ship your prints for repackaging to:

Gary Benson
9843 Little Diomede Circle
Eagle River, Alaska 99577
(907) 242-6538

?

TO SUCCESSFULLY PARTICIPATE PLEASE READ ALL OF THE GUIDELINES BELOW

===================================================================

1) Prints are to be on either Letter (8.5x11) or A4 (8.3"x11.7") size paper. Please sign the print (generally done on the front).?

2) On about the 15th of the month you will be notified of how many participants there are for each exchange.? You are to print one print for each of the other participants and one for yourself.?

3) Prints should be enclosed in individual clear sleeves (for example Clear Bags B811SNF) along with a Tech Sheet. Include the date of the exchange, your name, print title and any information about the subject matter, printer, inkset, software, workflow etc on the Tech Sheet which may be of interest to other participants.? Optional: also include your own?critique?of your image.?

4) Make sure that whatever return box or mailing method you use can accommodate both Letter (8.5x11) and A4 (8.3"x11.7") sized prints.??The total number of prints submitted is likely be greater than for the prior monthly print exchanges, so for those participants in the USA a USPS Flat Rate Medium size box is probably the best choice, especially if you are participating in both the B&W and Color print exchanges.

?5) For example, mailing your prints (addressed to the print exchange coordinator) in a USPS Flat Rate envelope or medium size box with an enclosed prepaid USPS Click-n-Ship return LABEL for a Flat Rate envelope or medium size box (addressed to yourself)?should work?very well. ?See this message for additional details?and images of how others have packaged their prints.

6) If you have not included a return postage pre-paid label please send the print exchange coordinator funds for the cost of a USPS Flat Rate envelope or medium size box (whichever you prefer to use) attached to a sheet of paper which?clearly?shows your return address.?

7) Upload a file of the image you have printed into the?correct photo album.? It permits those that are not actively participating in the current exchange an opportunity to observe.? It also creates a historical record that is useful over the years.?

8) Comments on prints are welcome and encouraged, but are not required for participation in a print exchange.? Any topic or theme for a print exchange is entirely optional.

With best regards,

Gary Benson

one of the print exchange moderators

(907) 242-6538

bensonga@...