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Eagle 9.6.2
#eagle
#etch
#gcode
#2-layer
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Autodesk -? in their wisdom - seem set to kill off the current versions of Eagle, including the free version used by many hobbyists - myself included. The version running under Fusion is apparently not ccompatible with PCB-Gcode as well as forcing use of ghastly Fusion 360.? Gone is the user friendliness of Eagle to be replaced, IMHO, by a user hostile revamp focussed more on mechanical engineering than on the electrical/electronic aspects of the task!!
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It is possible to legally download Eagle 7.7.0, and this already has most of the bells and whistles of Eagle 9.6.2 with the exception of the autorouter and its associated tools.? The V7 track manipulation facilities are very basic compared to V9, which makes fine tuning of the layout very tedious.?
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As a hobbyist community, it would surely be advantageous to lobby Autodesk to leave the free version as is, but without the requirement to log in every 2 weeks.? No possible financial loss or gain for Autodesk but a huge gain for hobbyists.
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My personal PCB toolchain is Eagle 9.6.2 - PCB-Gcode - UCCNC(UC100) - Stepcraft420/2.?? No file manipulation needed between Eagle layout and the finished circuit board.?
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Any thoughts on this???? |
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peterg, I agree that it would be wonderful if AutoDesk would release 9.6.2 in a 2 layer version without the phone-home feature, but it seems very unlikely.? They doubtless think they will lose business if they do this.
Killing a perfectly good product which serves the needs of a small part of what they see as the market is not new. But it cannot hurt to ask. john ferguson st petersburg, fl |
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Hi,
Autodesk do seem to be prepared to drop EACLE, but Fusion does have EAGLE built-in. I've Used EAGLE for years, and then transitioned to Fusion, and unlike you I find the Fusion is very
good. It does all the things that EAGLE did. The one thing that has changed is that the PCB-Gcode ULP is indeed broken, and while I've pestered Autodesk to repair it they have
declined. Thus I do all my design work in Fusion, then export the PCB file to EAGLE to use PCB-Gcode, an extra step to be sure but not that bad either.
The real advantage of Fusion is the CAD functionality, for which EAGLE is abysmal. You can design your device in Fusion with all the modern CAD tools you'd expect. Then extract
the outline including any holes or other placement critical features and use that to design your board. Vastly better than EAGLE alone.
In addition to CAD tools Fusion has a good CAM functionality, an FEA module, thermal modelling, generative design, a SPICE modeler.? I personally use CAD, CAM, Fusion Electronics
(essentially a re-skinned version of EAGLE) and FEA. I also buy Fusion Machining Extensions that gives me genuine simultaneous four and five axis tool paths.
My ONLY complaint about Fusion is that the 'pour' function has been altered, and that is what has broken PCB-Gcode.
Craig
From:[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of peterg1000 via groups.io <petergharrison@...>
Sent:?Monday, 13 January 2025 1:25 am To:[email protected] <[email protected]> Subject:?[pcbgcode] Eagle 9.6.2 #eagle #etch #gcode #2-layer ?
Autodesk -? in their wisdom - seem set to kill off the current versions of Eagle, including the free version used by many hobbyists - myself included. The version running under Fusion is apparently not ccompatible with PCB-Gcode
as well as forcing use of ghastly Fusion 360.? Gone is the user friendliness of Eagle to be replaced, IMHO, by a user hostile revamp focussed more on mechanical engineering than on the electrical/electronic aspects of the task!!
?
It is possible to legally download Eagle 7.7.0, and this already has most of the bells and whistles of Eagle 9.6.2 with the exception of the autorouter and its associated tools.? The V7 track manipulation facilities are very basic compared to V9, which
makes fine tuning of the layout very tedious.?
?
As a hobbyist community, it would surely be advantageous to lobby Autodesk to leave the free version as is, but without the requirement to log in every 2 weeks.? No possible financial loss or gain for Autodesk but a huge gain for hobbyists.
?
My personal PCB toolchain is Eagle 9.6.2 - PCB-Gcode - UCCNC(UC100) - Stepcraft420/2.?? No file manipulation needed between Eagle layout and the finished circuit board.?
?
Any thoughts on this????
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On Jan 12, 2025, at 14:45, joeaverage via groups.io <joe.average@...> wrote:
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Hi,
Good question, I don't use the Auto-Router. I'll experiment and report back soon.
Craig
From:[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of bownes via groups.io <bownes@...>
Sent:?Monday, 13 January 2025 8:57 am To:[email protected] <[email protected]> Subject:?Re: [pcbgcode] Eagle 9.6.2 #eagle #etch #gcode #2-layer ?
Does fusion electronics bring back the auto router?
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Hi,
as I say AutoRouter is not a feature I use. Fusion does support it, and I've spent the last half hour fiddling with it, and it seems to
work fine. Whether it is that same, better or worse than the same feature in EAGLE I cannot say. I seldom if ever used it in EAGLE either.
Note that I have a paid subscription to Fusion basic and its possible that a feature I have may not be in an unpaid Fusion Basic installation.?
I use Fusion daily for my business. I make PCBs for automotive instruments, tachometers, speedos etc. So in addition to the PCB also have to make custom
meter mountings, plug receptacles and any number of other small parts all using my CNC machine, and thus having CAD/CAM/PCB design in one package
is extremely valuable to me.?
I don't necessarily think that Fusion has the best CAD, but its pretty good. I don't think Fusion has the best CAM, but its pretty good. I don't think Fusion is the best
or most comprehensive FEA, but its pretty ?good. I don't think Fusion has the best electronics design tools, but is pretty good.
I don't necessarily like either the subscription model, nor do I much like the cloud based model.....but, and this is the biggy..........what I get for the?
money I pay is very VERY good value, in fact, in my opinion at least, its the BEST on the market.
I know a lot of people love to hate Autodesk, but overall I find that Fusion Basic and Fusion Machining Extensions is the best for my needs, and thus I pay.
You might say I vote with my wallet. Do I?love Autodesk......no, I do not, do I hate Autodesk, most certainly I do not.
Craig
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of bownes via groups.io <bownes@...>
Sent: Monday, 13 January 2025 8:57 am To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [pcbgcode] Eagle 9.6.2 #eagle #etch #gcode #2-layer ?
Does fusion electronics bring back the auto router?
On Jan 12, 2025, at 14:45, joeaverage via groups.io <joe.average@...> wrote:
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Craig - I fully understand your point of view as a functioning business that must be efficient and up to date with the latest CAD/CAM.
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I retired from gainful work at the end of the last century - so my desire to learn a new complex (for me) series of tools is somewhat blunted by the intervening years.?
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When I trialed the free version of "360" I did try, very briefly, to explore the schematic editor by downloading a simple 9.6.2 job, but probably due to lack of basic knowledge managed to screw things up in no time. Perhaps I should be a little more patient and actually read some of the tutorials before trying to do something useful!!!
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However, the thought of not having any of my design files available locally on my PC does not sit well with me - I remember the days when a central computer was servicing many operators - and the chaos that ensued when it "crashed".? Arrival of the original IBM "PC" was a breath of fresh air - everything importance was saved on 7" floppy discs and archived in a fireproof safe.?
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Peter |
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Hi Peter,
I was very much of the same opinion. Realistically though how justified is that?.?
For example all my business records, invoices and all that stuff in on the cloud. What's the bet all you medical records and your banking
records are on the cloud too.?
I've come to the realization that its just too late, cloud computing is here and here to stay.?
If there is a debate about whether this is a good idea philosophically or not matters little......what is happening, ie migrating to the cloud, is
happening like it or not. I'd be more concerned about say my business records than I am about Fusion should push come to shove.
What I will call out and describe as a negative consequence of the clou model is the reliance on the internet. If the internet slows or goes cranky then
you might as well kiss getting any work done with Fusion goodbye. Even a slow down can be deleterious, commands can take so long between you and the cloud server
that they can be stacked up, almost ensuring that Fusion will crash on you.
I live rurally, about 30km from the city. My wireless broadband is only fair, to the extent that I cant really use Fusion at home....its just too error prone given
the level of internet service I get there. I am vey much inclined to get Starlink, not so much because I like Musk, or am a real 'power' user, but I would like
to be able to work from home.
Fusion is good, but neither is it that good that you can pick it up in five minutes. It has taken quite some time for me to get fluent with it, but now that I have I?
find it as good as anything else I've used.
If you want a real learning curve try Mastercam. Absolutely superb program to be sure, I still think its the best CAM product bar none, but man...... is it a battle to get to grips
with!
Using Fusion as much as I do I find that I earn the $800NZD/year or so that the Fusion Basic subscription costs me sometimes as often as weekly, and I'm being?slow and lazy
if it does not pay for itself fortnightly. Fusion Machining Extensions (that supports simultaneous four and five axis, collision avoidance and tool path editing) costs an
additional $2400NZD/year. I cannot really justify that cost against the earnings of the business, but as time progresses and I use the four/five axis more and more
it will pay for itself too.
Craig
From:[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of peterg1000 via groups.io <petergharrison@...>
Sent:?Monday, 13 January 2025 11:37 am To:[email protected] <[email protected]> Subject:?Re: [pcbgcode] Eagle 9.6.2 #eagle #etch #gcode #2-layer ?
Craig - I fully understand your point of view as a functioning business that must be efficient and up to date with the latest CAD/CAM.
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I retired from gainful work at the end of the last century - so my desire to learn a new complex (for me) series of tools is somewhat blunted by the intervening years.?
?
When I trialed the free version of "360" I did try,
very briefly, to explore the schematic editor by downloading a simple 9.6.2 job, but probably due to lack of basic knowledge managed to screw things up in no time. Perhaps I should be a little more patient and actually read some of the tutorials before
trying to do something useful!!!
?
However, the thought of not having any of my design files available locally on my PC does not sit well with me - I remember the days when a central computer was servicing many operators - and the chaos that ensued when it "crashed".?
Arrival of the original IBM "PC" was a breath of fresh air - everything importance was saved on 7" floppy discs and archived in a fireproof safe.?
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Peter
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OK, I'm of the opinion that almost everything Autodesk has done is either drastically limited or paid.
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I've got the standard version of Eagle, 7.7.? That was purchased on a hobby license, so I cannot easily share designs because of the prohibition on "selling" the design. You can write a C++ program that reads the .brd file, and creates a board from a library of parts (that you'd need to provide) modeled in OpenSCAD.? There's also a program in OpenSCAD that has a library of parts, but it turns out to be easier (for me) to model everything from scratch and use my own models. Not related so much to pcbgcode, but I find it a useful addition. Harvey On 1/12/2025 2:45 PM, joeaverage via groups.io wrote:
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Hi,
I presume what you are saying is you do not want to pay anything? If that is the case then the offering by
Autodesk is indeed very limited, probably less that you would be satisfied with.
?If you pay then the Autodesk offering is naturally very much better.
Then the question becomes is the offering worth the money paid?. Having a Fusion subscription my self?
I am of the opinion that 'yes the software is indeed worth what I pay for it'
Craig
From:[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Harvey White <madyn@...>
Sent:?Monday, 13 January 2025 1:37 pm To:[email protected] <[email protected]> Subject:?Re: [pcbgcode] Eagle 9.6.2 #eagle #etch #gcode #2-layer ?
OK, I'm of the opinion that almost everything Autodesk has done is
either drastically limited or paid. I've got the standard version of Eagle, 7.7.? That was purchased on a hobby license, so I cannot easily share designs because of the prohibition on "selling" the design. You can write a C++ program that reads the .brd file, and creates a board from a library of parts (that you'd need to provide) modeled in OpenSCAD.? There's also a program in OpenSCAD that has a library of parts, but it turns out to be easier (for me) to model everything from scratch and use my own models. Not related so much to pcbgcode, but I find it a useful addition. Harvey On 1/12/2025 2:45 PM, joeaverage via groups.io wrote: > Hi, > >???? Autodesk -? in their wisdom - seem set to kill off the current >???? versions of Eagle, including the free version used by many >???? hobbyists - myself included. The version running under Fusion is >???? apparently not ccompatible with PCB-Gcode as well as forcing use >???? of ghastly Fusion 360.? Gone is the user friendliness of Eagle to >???? be replaced, IMHO, by a user hostile revamp focussed more on >???? mechanical engineering than on the electrical/electronic aspects >???? of the task!! > > Autodesk do seem to be prepared to drop EACLE, but Fusion does have > EAGLE built-in. I've Used EAGLE for years, and then transitioned to > Fusion, and unlike you I find the Fusion is very > good. It does all the things that EAGLE did. The one thing that has > changed is that the PCB-Gcode ULP is indeed broken, and while I've > pestered Autodesk to repair it they have > declined. Thus I do all my design work in Fusion, then export the PCB > file to EAGLE to use PCB-Gcode, an extra step to be sure but not that > bad either. > > The real advantage of Fusion is the CAD functionality, for which EAGLE > is abysmal. You can design your device in Fusion with all the modern > CAD tools you'd expect. Then extract > the outline including any holes or other placement critical features > and use that to design your board. Vastly better than EAGLE alone. > > In addition to CAD tools Fusion has a good CAM functionality, an FEA > module, thermal modelling, generative design, a SPICE modeler.? I > personally use CAD, CAM, Fusion Electronics > (essentially a re-skinned version of EAGLE) and FEA. I also buy Fusion > Machining Extensions that gives me genuine simultaneous four and five > axis tool paths. > > My ONLY complaint about Fusion is that the 'pour' function has been > altered, and that is what has broken PCB-Gcode. > > Craig > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:*[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of > peterg1000 via groups.io <petergharrison@...> > *Sent:*?Monday, 13 January 2025 1:25 am > *To:*[email protected] <[email protected]> > *Subject:*?[pcbgcode] Eagle 9.6.2 #eagle #etch #gcode #2-layer > Autodesk -? in their wisdom - seem set to kill off the current > versions of Eagle, including the free version used by many hobbyists - > myself included. The version running under Fusion is apparently not > ccompatible with PCB-Gcode as well as forcing use of ghastly Fusion > 360.? Gone is the user friendliness of Eagle to be replaced, IMHO, by > a user hostile revamp focussed more on mechanical engineering than on > the electrical/electronic aspects of the task!! > It is possible to legally download Eagle 7.7.0, and this already has > most of the bells and whistles of Eagle 9.6.2 with the exception of > the autorouter and its associated tools.? The V7 track manipulation > facilities are very basic compared to V9, which makes fine tuning of > the layout very tedious. > As a hobbyist community, it would surely be advantageous to lobby > Autodesk to leave the free version as is, but without the requirement > to log in every 2 weeks.? No possible financial loss or gain for > Autodesk but a huge gain for hobbyists. > My personal PCB toolchain is Eagle 9.6.2 - PCB-Gcode - UCCNC(UC100) - > Stepcraft420/2.?? No file manipulation needed between Eagle layout and > the finished circuit board. > Any thoughts on this???? > |
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I was happy about "buying" a release, and then paying for the next version update.
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I am not happy about the subscription model. Since I am able enough to do what I'd like to do with version 7.7, I see no need to have a version that I have to rent.? It doesn't stop me from wishing changes to 7.7 but that will not be. Pay once is one thing, pay continually is another. Cloud is not an option. Harvey On 1/12/2025 7:57 PM, joeaverage via groups.io wrote:
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I don't build boards very often, when I do I have been happy using KiCad. Steve
On Sunday, January 12, 2025 at 04:37:47 PM CST, peterg1000 via groups.io <petergharrison@...> wrote:
Craig - I fully understand your point of view as a functioning business that must be efficient and up to date with the latest CAD/CAM.
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I retired from gainful work at the end of the last century - so my desire to learn a new complex (for me) series of tools is somewhat blunted by the intervening years.?
?
When I trialed the free version of "360" I did try, very briefly, to explore the schematic editor by downloading a simple 9.6.2 job, but probably due to lack of basic knowledge managed to screw things up in no time. Perhaps I should be a little more patient and actually read some of the tutorials before trying to do something useful!!!
?
However, the thought of not having any of my design files available locally on my PC does not sit well with me - I remember the days when a central computer was servicing many operators - and the chaos that ensued when it "crashed".? Arrival of the original IBM "PC" was a breath of fresh air - everything importance was saved on 7" floppy discs and archived in a fireproof safe.?
?
Peter
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Hi,
I too was very much against the subscription idea, but my dislike has moderated.
In particular Fusion Basic costs me $800NZD/year.
When I compare it to like software with the same features, eg RhinoCAM etc, I find that in those other software I need an entry Pro Level
product costing something like $200USD to $2500USD. ($3330NZD to $4160NZD). Whether you choose to get updates which cost another $200USD to $300USD, is a?
matter of choice.
From a straight out affordability perspective, paying a modest annual subscription is easier for me than a much steeper one off purchase.
The issue gets worse when you consider four and five axis. I pay $2400NZD/year for Fusion machining Extensions that gets you simultaneous four and five axis,
collision avoidance and tool path editing. If you go to buy the same thing from RhinoCAM? Premium is $8000USD ($13,330NZD) plus annual fees if you wish it.
Quite frankly I think Fusion Machining Extensions is better, firstly I don't have to try and find that huge initial purchase and second because it always stays
up to date. I could not tolerate paying $13330NZD......and then have it slowly go out of date!
You may now see why my distaste for a subscription has moderated, simply because it makes good sense to me, and in a means and manner that I can afford.
I would guess that Autodesk have thought long and hard about the pricing of their products. It seem to me they have chosen to price for 'value for money' and
?thereby secure long term customers. Cant really fault them for that.
Craig
From:[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Harvey White <madyn@...>
Sent:?Monday, 13 January 2025 2:22 pm To:[email protected] <[email protected]> Subject:?Re: [pcbgcode] Eagle 9.6.2 #eagle #etch #gcode #2-layer ?
I was happy about "buying" a release, and then paying for the next
version update. I am not happy about the subscription model. Since I am able enough to do what I'd like to do with version 7.7, I see no need to have a version that I have to rent.? It doesn't stop me from wishing changes to 7.7 but that will not be. Pay once is one thing, pay continually is another. Cloud is not an option. Harvey On 1/12/2025 7:57 PM, joeaverage via groups.io wrote: > Hi, > >???? OK, I'm of the opinion that almost everything Autodesk has done is >???? either drastically limited or paid. > > I presume what you are saying is you do not want to pay anything? If > that is the case then the offering by > Autodesk is indeed very limited, probably less that you would be > satisfied with. > > ?If you pay then the Autodesk offering is naturally very much better. > Then the question becomes is the offering worth the money paid?. > Having a Fusion subscription my self > I am of the opinion that 'yes the software is indeed worth what I pay > for it' > > Craig > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:*[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Harvey > White <madyn@...> > *Sent:*?Monday, 13 January 2025 1:37 pm > *To:*[email protected] <[email protected]> > *Subject:*?Re: [pcbgcode] Eagle 9.6.2 #eagle #etch #gcode #2-layer > OK, I'm of the opinion that almost everything Autodesk has done is > either drastically limited or paid. > > I've got the standard version of Eagle, 7.7.? That was purchased on a > hobby license, so I cannot easily share designs because of the > prohibition on "selling" the design. > > > You can write a C++ program that reads the .brd file, and creates a > board from a library of parts (that you'd need to provide) modeled in > OpenSCAD.? There's also a program in OpenSCAD that has a library of > parts, but it turns out to be easier (for me) to model everything from > scratch and use my own models. > > > Not related so much to pcbgcode, but I find it a useful addition. > > Harvey > > > On 1/12/2025 2:45 PM, joeaverage via groups.io wrote: > > Hi, > > > >???? Autodesk -? in their wisdom - seem set to kill off the current > >???? versions of Eagle, including the free version used by many > >???? hobbyists - myself included. The version running under Fusion is > >???? apparently not ccompatible with PCB-Gcode as well as forcing use > >???? of ghastly Fusion 360.? Gone is the user friendliness of Eagle to > >???? be replaced, IMHO, by a user hostile revamp focussed more on > >???? mechanical engineering than on the electrical/electronic aspects > >???? of the task!! > > > > Autodesk do seem to be prepared to drop EACLE, but Fusion does have > > EAGLE built-in. I've Used EAGLE for years, and then transitioned to > > Fusion, and unlike you I find the Fusion is very > > good. It does all the things that EAGLE did. The one thing that has > > changed is that the PCB-Gcode ULP is indeed broken, and while I've > > pestered Autodesk to repair it they have > > declined. Thus I do all my design work in Fusion, then export the PCB > > file to EAGLE to use PCB-Gcode, an extra step to be sure but not that > > bad either. > > > > The real advantage of Fusion is the CAD functionality, for which EAGLE > > is abysmal. You can design your device in Fusion with all the modern > > CAD tools you'd expect. Then extract > > the outline including any holes or other placement critical features > > and use that to design your board. Vastly better than EAGLE alone. > > > > In addition to CAD tools Fusion has a good CAM functionality, an FEA > > module, thermal modelling, generative design, a SPICE modeler.? I > > personally use CAD, CAM, Fusion Electronics > > (essentially a re-skinned version of EAGLE) and FEA. I also buy Fusion > > Machining Extensions that gives me genuine simultaneous four and five > > axis tool paths. > > > > My ONLY complaint about Fusion is that the 'pour' function has been > > altered, and that is what has broken PCB-Gcode. > > > > Craig > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of > > peterg1000 via groups.io <petergharrison@...> > > *Sent:*?Monday, 13 January 2025 1:25 am > > *To:*[email protected] <[email protected]> > > *Subject:*?[pcbgcode] Eagle 9.6.2 #eagle #etch #gcode #2-layer > > Autodesk -? in their wisdom - seem set to kill off the current > > versions of Eagle, including the free version used by many hobbyists - > > myself included. The version running under Fusion is apparently not > > ccompatible with PCB-Gcode as well as forcing use of ghastly Fusion > > 360.? Gone is the user friendliness of Eagle to be replaced, IMHO, by > > a user hostile revamp focussed more on mechanical engineering than on > > the electrical/electronic aspects of the task!! > > It is possible to legally download Eagle 7.7.0, and this already has > > most of the bells and whistles of Eagle 9.6.2 with the exception of > > the autorouter and its associated tools.? The V7 track manipulation > > facilities are very basic compared to V9, which makes fine tuning of > > the layout very tedious. > > As a hobbyist community, it would surely be advantageous to lobby > > Autodesk to leave the free version as is, but without the requirement > > to log in every 2 weeks.? No possible financial loss or gain for > > Autodesk but a huge gain for hobbyists. > > My personal PCB toolchain is Eagle 9.6.2 - PCB-Gcode - UCCNC(UC100) - > > Stepcraft420/2.?? No file manipulation needed between Eagle layout and > > the finished circuit board. > > Any thoughts on this???? > > > > > > > > > |
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We all have subscriptions that we gladly, or sometimes grudgingly, pay. Some examples being internet, cable tv, electricity, water, sewer. And it should be said that the software we think we own, we do not really own. It’s good AutoDesk still offers a free personal version. I don’t know how hamstrung it is though. And the pricing for the pro versions sounds very reasonable if you’re earning money with them. I know I won’t change any minds, and I’m not out to, I’m just chiming in. Regards, JJ |
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I use OnShape, ommercial which is free for non-commercial use and the files are accessible to all other users.? To make them private is $1.400/year.? I don't care of my projects are public. It runs in the cloud and I've been using it for five years IIRC.? Inthat time there has only beeon one outage on their end which was about an hour on a Sunday afternoon.? There are also outages at my end.? we have cable internet and a Verizon jetpack and I'ver had to switch when the cable gets bad.? I can see more than 40 systems on wifi, some of which are stronger than my usually -40db signal strength.? we're going overseas for a month and I'll get into this when we get home.
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I doubt that autodesk will let us have the last Eagle.? They will see it as loss of sales.? too bad.
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I have a 1993 incarnation of Pro/Engineer (Release 12) which runs on a 1993 Sparcstaion 10 which still works.? It can generate STL files as well as produce 3 axis g-code which works well for my projects.? Yes it's old, but it also has printed manuals.
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But withal, I have a subscription to Creo with the machining add-on (3 axis) .? It costs, but it's worth it, mostly because the latest import fiunction can deal with solid modeling formats that didn;t exist in 1993.
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Yes, it's hobby but it's woth it to me.
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And I did use auto-routing in Eagle. It never produced a final layout, but usually only took a little twicthing - all logic circuits for me so no rf issues.
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I do wonder if AutoDesk can be convinced to support the pour funcion if that's all we need to continue using wonderful pcbgcode.
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开云体育No thank you, thank you very much again, I do not need to pay for the software I use software that I have designed for myself, thank you very much, I am a software developer myself. G?nderen: joeaverage via groups.io <joe.average@...> ad?na [email protected] <[email protected]>
G?nderildi: 13 Ocak 2025 Pazartesi 02:08 Kime: [email protected] <[email protected]> Konu: Re: [pcbgcode] Eagle 9.6.2 #eagle #etch #gcode #2-layer ?
Hi,
I too was very much against the subscription idea, but my dislike has moderated.
In particular Fusion Basic costs me $800NZD/year.
When I compare it to like software with the same features, eg RhinoCAM etc, I find that in those other software I need an entry Pro Level
product costing something like $200USD to $2500USD. ($3330NZD to $4160NZD). Whether you choose to get updates which cost another $200USD to $300USD, is a?
matter of choice.
From a straight out affordability perspective, paying a modest annual subscription is easier for me than a much steeper one off purchase.
The issue gets worse when you consider four and five axis. I pay $2400NZD/year for Fusion machining Extensions that gets you simultaneous four and five axis,
collision avoidance and tool path editing. If you go to buy the same thing from RhinoCAM? Premium is $8000USD ($13,330NZD) plus annual fees if you wish it.
Quite frankly I think Fusion Machining Extensions is better, firstly I don't have to try and find that huge initial purchase and second because it always stays
up to date. I could not tolerate paying $13330NZD......and then have it slowly go out of date!
You may now see why my distaste for a subscription has moderated, simply because it makes good sense to me, and in a means and manner that I can afford.
I would guess that Autodesk have thought long and hard about the pricing of their products. It seem to me they have chosen to price for 'value for money' and
?thereby secure long term customers. Cant really fault them for that.
Craig
From:[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Harvey White <madyn@...>
Sent:?Monday, 13 January 2025 2:22 pm To:[email protected] <[email protected]> Subject:?Re: [pcbgcode] Eagle 9.6.2 #eagle #etch #gcode #2-layer ?
I was happy about "buying" a release, and then paying for the next
version update. I am not happy about the subscription model. Since I am able enough to do what I'd like to do with version 7.7, I see no need to have a version that I have to rent.? It doesn't stop me from wishing changes to 7.7 but that will not be. Pay once is one thing, pay continually is another. Cloud is not an option. Harvey On 1/12/2025 7:57 PM, joeaverage via groups.io wrote: > Hi, > >???? OK, I'm of the opinion that almost everything Autodesk has done is >???? either drastically limited or paid. > > I presume what you are saying is you do not want to pay anything? If > that is the case then the offering by > Autodesk is indeed very limited, probably less that you would be > satisfied with. > > ?If you pay then the Autodesk offering is naturally very much better. > Then the question becomes is the offering worth the money paid?. > Having a Fusion subscription my self > I am of the opinion that 'yes the software is indeed worth what I pay > for it' > > Craig > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:*[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Harvey > White <madyn@...> > *Sent:*?Monday, 13 January 2025 1:37 pm > *To:*[email protected] <[email protected]> > *Subject:*?Re: [pcbgcode] Eagle 9.6.2 #eagle #etch #gcode #2-layer > OK, I'm of the opinion that almost everything Autodesk has done is > either drastically limited or paid. > > I've got the standard version of Eagle, 7.7.? That was purchased on a > hobby license, so I cannot easily share designs because of the > prohibition on "selling" the design. > > > You can write a C++ program that reads the .brd file, and creates a > board from a library of parts (that you'd need to provide) modeled in > OpenSCAD.? There's also a program in OpenSCAD that has a library of > parts, but it turns out to be easier (for me) to model everything from > scratch and use my own models. > > > Not related so much to pcbgcode, but I find it a useful addition. > > Harvey > > > On 1/12/2025 2:45 PM, joeaverage via groups.io wrote: > > Hi, > > > >???? Autodesk -? in their wisdom - seem set to kill off the current > >???? versions of Eagle, including the free version used by many > >???? hobbyists - myself included. The version running under Fusion is > >???? apparently not ccompatible with PCB-Gcode as well as forcing use > >???? of ghastly Fusion 360.? Gone is the user friendliness of Eagle to > >???? be replaced, IMHO, by a user hostile revamp focussed more on > >???? mechanical engineering than on the electrical/electronic aspects > >???? of the task!! > > > > Autodesk do seem to be prepared to drop EACLE, but Fusion does have > > EAGLE built-in. I've Used EAGLE for years, and then transitioned to > > Fusion, and unlike you I find the Fusion is very > > good. It does all the things that EAGLE did. The one thing that has > > changed is that the PCB-Gcode ULP is indeed broken, and while I've > > pestered Autodesk to repair it they have > > declined. Thus I do all my design work in Fusion, then export the PCB > > file to EAGLE to use PCB-Gcode, an extra step to be sure but not that > > bad either. > > > > The real advantage of Fusion is the CAD functionality, for which EAGLE > > is abysmal. You can design your device in Fusion with all the modern > > CAD tools you'd expect. Then extract > > the outline including any holes or other placement critical features > > and use that to design your board. Vastly better than EAGLE alone. > > > > In addition to CAD tools Fusion has a good CAM functionality, an FEA > > module, thermal modelling, generative design, a SPICE modeler.? I > > personally use CAD, CAM, Fusion Electronics > > (essentially a re-skinned version of EAGLE) and FEA. I also buy Fusion > > Machining Extensions that gives me genuine simultaneous four and five > > axis tool paths. > > > > My ONLY complaint about Fusion is that the 'pour' function has been > > altered, and that is what has broken PCB-Gcode. > > > > Craig > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:*[email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of > > peterg1000 via groups.io <petergharrison@...> > > *Sent:*?Monday, 13 January 2025 1:25 am > > *To:*[email protected] <[email protected]> > > *Subject:*?[pcbgcode] Eagle 9.6.2 #eagle #etch #gcode #2-layer > > Autodesk -? in their wisdom - seem set to kill off the current > > versions of Eagle, including the free version used by many hobbyists - > > myself included. The version running under Fusion is apparently not > > ccompatible with PCB-Gcode as well as forcing use of ghastly Fusion > > 360.? Gone is the user friendliness of Eagle to be replaced, IMHO, by > > a user hostile revamp focussed more on mechanical engineering than on > > the electrical/electronic aspects of the task!! > > It is possible to legally download Eagle 7.7.0, and this already has > > most of the bells and whistles of Eagle 9.6.2 with the exception of > > the autorouter and its associated tools.? The V7 track manipulation > > facilities are very basic compared to V9, which makes fine tuning of > > the layout very tedious. > > As a hobbyist community, it would surely be advantageous to lobby > > Autodesk to leave the free version as is, but without the requirement > > to log in every 2 weeks.? No possible financial loss or gain for > > Autodesk but a huge gain for hobbyists. > > My personal PCB toolchain is Eagle 9.6.2 - PCB-Gcode - UCCNC(UC100) - > > Stepcraft420/2.?? No file manipulation needed between Eagle layout and > > the finished circuit board. > > Any thoughts on this???? > > > > > > > > > |
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