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Looks like fun. I have subscribed to the NG and Industrial Railway Review for a long time and have a complete set. I admire the 7mm 2 foot layouts and components that Roy Link offers and still think "some day". In the interim, I am always up for good NG modeling and techniques. Bill Uffelman Las Vegas NV

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G'day Everyone, Welcome! We currently have 9 members. Thankyou all very much for joining. I have set the messages so all members can post unmoderated. Attachments are stripped as not everyone has a broadband connection. Please bare with me if there are any problems, Yahoo isn't the simplest tool to use, and I am relatively inexperienced. I have set up a database for listing available locomotives, feel free to add any that you know about. There is only one entry at the moment, because I haven't gotten around to listing any more. A similar rollingstock list will be set up soon too. The links section has a few links of suppliers and yahoo groups. Please add any you consider relevent to O-14 modelling. The files section will be useful for posting track standards, diagrams, any information you consider valuable. There will be no naming conventions, but please refrain from having spaces in filenames as they can cause problems with yahoo. Use the photos section if you have small photos that don't require detailed viewing. Otherwise, post in the files section so we can all see the complete picture. Have fun, Mark K Sydney Aus moderator

Just spotted this group being started. I'm in England, more to the point God's own county, which in this case means Yorkshire. I'm modelling Welsh narrow gauge, basically Festiniog Railway with attachments from two other now long abandoned lines, the Croesor Tramway and the Gorseddau Tramway, and any other bits I come across and fancy building. I'm on DCC, using the Austrian Zimo system. At the moment I'm building loco's and rolling stock, but hope to get somewhere to run it all at least to a baseboard state by this time next year. I have a fairly (or should that be Fairlie) extensive library of books on Welsh N.G. so if anyone needs some info I might be able to help. Frank

G'day all, Has anyone tried converting, or building a new chassis for, the Branchlines Manning Wardle 0-4-0ST 'Busy Bee' kit? Is anyone interested in an etched chassis kit to make the conversion?

Hi List; I just saw the posting about this group being formed on the 7mmNGA list. Since my interest in 7mm narrow gauge is the two-foot lines in particular, here I am. I've added to the database on locomotive models, which also tells you where my interest lies: I'm about to start building a Backwoods Miniatures 7mm (O-14) kit for the NGG16 Garratts used in South Africa and now on the Welsh Highland Railway. I'm currently on a number of SAR newsgroups trying to collect information about the Alfred County Railway that ran (until August of this year) from Port Shepstone to Harding, hauling tourists and timber behind 2-6-2+2-6-2 engines. I have collected a number of links on these engines and the lines on which they ran. I also model the Maine two-footers in 1:48 (North American O scale), where I'm building a model railway that's freelanced but heavily influenced by the Monson RR, which served a slate quarry in Maine. Through that, I've developed an interest in Welsh slate quarrying and I expect at some point I'll build a Quarry Hunslett in 7mm (if the lure of the new 16mm kit from Slaters doesn't get to me first). I'd be interested in hearing from anybody else about to tackle the 7mm NGG16 from Backwoods. Cheers! - Trevor in Toronto

hello all I have joined the list today and will introduce myself.I model 7mm based on the Lynton & Barnstaple and am very interested in 14mm as I feel that the difference in gauge is noticeable.At the moment I am finishing off a model 0-16.5,but would be most interested to hear of any hints on rail/point construction in 14mm gauge. Nicholas Brown

I've got one to do, I intend to make it 'proper' outside framed, and use Alan Gibson's bearings. I will use a gearbox, probably a highlevel type, and this should allow me to lift the motor into the boiler/saddletank area. I'm going to alter it to a Locke class, a stepped footplate is the main difference. See the Manning Wardle Narrow Gauge loco book which has photos and some drawings. Frank

Hi, I joined the list today. I recently purchased the Roy Link Handbook and some skips to see if I like the water. I have been in On16.5 for many years in 1/43 scale. My primary interest is in Industrial Narrow gauge with a focus on mineral extraction. Look forward to the chatter. Vincent Bradley, Cincinnati Ohio

Hi Joined the group last night, when I tried to introduce myself Yahoo told me the group didn't exist and returned my message! So here goes again. Having seen the message announcing the formation of the group I thought I ought to join as a modeller (not as often as I'd like) and manufacturer (that's what slowed modelling down) of 7mm narrow gauge vehicles. Hints and tips and market research at the same time. Most of the kits I produce for 2 foot gauge prototypes are easily changed to the correct 14mm gauge by moving the wheels on the axles and lining up the brake gear with the wheels. This has to be as one of my customer/pattern makers is Adrian Gray, Festiniog Railway Archivist, 7mmNGA trade liaison officer who models Festiniog on the correct gauge. F.R. inside axle bearing wagons have a specially designed chassis to allow them to be built to 16.5 or 14 mm gauge with a few strokes of a file. Also available are F.R. teardrop hole disc wheels manufactured for me by Alan Gibson. Have been trying to complete a 4 foot by 1 foot layout for the past 3 years and in my spare(!) time am a volunteer fireman on the Festiniog and have been for the past 25 years. This also gives me easy access to vehicles with my tape measure for the odd occassions when I actually find time to build models myself. Regards to all Phil Traxson Port Wynnstay Models ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Kendrick To: O-14@... Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 9:52 AM Subject: RE: [O-14] 14mm gauge 'Busy Bee' G'day Frank, Are you going to do the frames with the ornate cut outs as on cn 487 (page 17-Locos built by MW 1)? Also, are you going to build a new saddle tank, to be semicircular in cross section ala the prototype? Just wondering... And welcome to all our new members, there's 33 of us! Regards, Mark K Sydney Oz mr moderator -----Original Message----- From: FRANK SHARP [mailto:Frank.J.Sharp@...] Sent: Monday, 29 November 2004 5:23 AM To: O-14@... Subject: RE: [O-14] 14mm gauge 'Busy Bee' I've got one to do, I intend to make it 'proper' outside framed, and use Alan Gibson's bearings. I will use a gearbox, probably a highlevel type, and this should allow me to lift the motor into the boiler/saddletank area. I'm going to alter it to a Locke class, a stepped footplate is the main difference. See the Manning Wardle Narrow Gauge loco book which has photos and some drawings. Frank -----Original Message----- From: Mark Kendrick [mailto:trainbrain@...] Sent: 28 November 2004 12:04 To: O-14@... Subject: [O-14] 14mm gauge 'Busy Bee' G'day all, Has anyone tried converting, or building a new chassis for, the Branchlines Manning Wardle 0-4-0ST 'Busy Bee' kit? Is anyone interested in an etched chassis kit to make the conversion? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=1296ruqhd/M=298184.5639630.6699735.3001176/ D=groups/S=1706043018:HM/EXP=1101729813/A=2434971/R=0/SIG=11eeoolb0/*htt p:/www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60185400> click here <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=298184.5639630.6699735.3001176/D=group s/S=:HM/A=2434971/rand=270242816> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/O-14/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: O-14-unsubscribe@... <mailto:O-14-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Service. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Get unlimited calls to U.S./Canada ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/O-14/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: O-14-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

Hi I thought I better introduce myself as my joining the other day prompted mark to publicise the group. I have modelled in 14mm for over 10 years and am 1/4 way through making a large loft layout with 30+ yards NG track (+ Scaleseven) along the lines of the L&B but based in Cornwall. I hope to post ideas on track construction in the group once my Backwoods K1 Garratt is finished (see my posts on the 7mmnga group). Regards John Clutterbuck

Hi, I have just joined the Group. For those who don't know me I am heavily involved with the exhibition circuit in Victoria (Australia) as well as many of the Australian Narrow Gauge Conventions. I plan on dabbling in O-14 and have many of the Roy Link kits plus some of the offerings from Agenoria. I will be leading the O-14 focus group at the upcoming Narrow Gauge Convention in Australia. Regards, Grant

G'day Grant, There'll be an O-14 focus group at the convention? Great, count me in. My experience so far has been a few Roy Link skips, 3' of track on PCB sleepers, a Berg's Burrinjuck wagon and a half complete Krauss. I am interested in the industrial stuff, but bogie wagons and steam locos more than skips and rail tractors. Drop me a line if you need any help for the convention. Cheers, Mark K moderator www.geocities.com/mark_the_train_brain

I have just uploaded a document and diagram for the O14 track standards into the files section. Hopefully the diagram should be displayed within the document. Regards John

Mark, I've already seen the post from John C, but my findings in terms of running were slightly different. On 14mm track, carefully checked by both gauges and then when I perceived a problem by vernier gauge was that instead of running on the treads the wheels were actually running on the root of the flange. I've taken a whisker off the boss at the back and that seems to have solved the problem. We measure or set back to back, but that isn't strictly what matters. I understand that we should be looking at the distance from the joint of the flange and tread on the face of one wheel to the back of the wheel on the other wheel. If you think about it, the check rail is intended to keep the flange from striking the crossing nose when the back of the opposite wheel is up against the check rail. Hope that makes sense Frank

Thanks John and Frank, I guess a few experiments are in order. Time to learn to handlay points! Then again, if we all send our inferior axles back to Romford for replacement with correct axles maybe we'll get an improved product. Apologies to John Clutterbuck for miss-spelling his surname. Regards, Mark K Sydney

Mark, Alan Gibson is probably the only other reliable supplier of wheels. He already makes at least two diameters of curly spoke, 10.5mm and 12mm diameter and also various 4mm scale disc and spoke wheels of these diameters which can be used by us. He has recently produced for me (as Port Wynnstay Models) a Festiniog teardrop hole disc wheel. You really need to find out what different axle lengths he makes, and there are a few, as I am sure he will supply wheels off axles to set at your own gauge if asked nicely. He supplies my inside bearing wagon wheels like this. I am willing to make the F.R. wheels available for general use if there is a demand. Can't send attachments on group but if you wish to view said wheel contact me off group and I will send the picture. Regards Phil T.

G'day all, What is commonly used as 14mm gauge wheelsets for rollingstock? I believe Roy Link won't sell his wheels separately, is Gibson the only other supplier? Is there any interest in having a small run of 14mm gauge wheelsets for rollingstock made? They could be straight, split or curly spoked, or disc-with or without holes, and in whatever diameter is wanted. And whatever axle length is deemed most suitable. A concensus would have to be reached as I don't want to do more than one size/shape yet. Cost to you would be cost to me plus postage. If your interested, make yourself heard! Cheers, Mark K trainbrain@...

Matt, Let's look at this the other way round, what is there in 3mm wheels which might work in 14mm narrow gauge? Frank

Mark, What are you thinking of making or having made that Gibson in particular doesn't do? He makes curly spokes in 3 sizes. 9, 10.5 and 12mm, and some of his 00 wheels will also do for narrow gauge. If you are using standard wheels, make sure you ask for 00, assuming that is the standard you want, he does different wheel profiles, e.g P4. Normal axle length is 26 mm but he will also supply, given a couple of days notice usually, on Lima replacement axles at 24.5 mm. These are a better idea in the 7mm NGA slate wagons, where you can then fit his waisted bearings. They end up so free running they are a devil to shunt with Kay Dees, I am working on a DCC brake van! I'm sure Phil will correct me if I am wrong, but I think A G is making the wheels for Portwynnstay's inside bearing Festiniog Railway wagons. Phil, are they your exclusive for the kits or can we buy them from A G or yourself on their own? A G doesn't as far as I know supply to 14mm gauge, but I bought a 16.5 gauge brass back to back gauge, 14.5 mm ?, and turned the faces down in a lathe to 12.45 mm. I drilled two holes on the solid part of the gauge, 2.5 mm diameter and just deep enough so that if you push one end of a 26 mm axle set hard into one hole, and then the other end into the same hole it pushes the wheels in to the correct B to B for 14mm. The other hole does for 24.5 mm axles. I have found that if you disturb A G wagon wheels sometimes the rims come loose. I usually spend an evening trimming the flash, pushing the rims off, and bedding them back with a smear of 24 hour Araldite. The next night I regauge them, with another drop of Araldite on the axle. I think they would probably be O.K. if I didn't mess about with the gauge. Frank