Hi Frank do uou have a drawing of your 14mm gauge
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There are 10 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. RE: Rollingstock Wheels
From: "Frank Sharp" <Frank.J.Sharp@...>
2. Re: Rollingstock Wheels
From: <portwynnstay@...>
3. Re: Rollingstock Wheels
From: <portwynnstay@...>
4. Re: Rollingstock Wheels
From: "jclutterbuck2001" <jclutterbuck2001@...>
5. RE: The Truth about Romfords
From: mattjcoleman@...
6. RE: RE: The Truth about Romfords
From: "Frank Sharp" <Frank.J.Sharp@...>
7. RE: Rollingstock Wheels
From: "Mark Kendrick" <trainbrain@...>
8. RE: Rollingstock Wheels
From: "Frank Sharp" <Frank.J.Sharp@...>
9. RE: Rollingstock Wheels
From: "Mark Kendrick" <trainbrain@...>
10. RE: Rollingstock Wheels
From: "Frank Sharp" <Frank.J.Sharp@...>
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:24:52 -0000
From: "Frank Sharp" <Frank.J.Sharp@...>
Subject: RE: Rollingstock Wheels
Mark,
What are you thinking of making or having made that Gibson in particular
doesn't do? He makes curly spokes in 3 sizes. 9, 10.5 and 12mm, and some
of his 00 wheels will also do for narrow gauge. If you are using
standard wheels, make sure you ask for 00, assuming that is the standard
you want, he does different wheel profiles, e.g P4. Normal axle length
is 26 mm but he will also supply, given a couple of days notice usually,
on Lima replacement axles at 24.5 mm. These are a better idea in the 7mm
NGA slate wagons, where you can then fit his waisted bearings. They end
up so free running they are a devil to shunt with Kay Dees, I am working
on a DCC brake van!
I'm sure Phil will correct me if I am wrong, but I think A G is making
the wheels for Portwynnstay's inside bearing Festiniog Railway wagons.
Phil, are they your exclusive for the kits or can we buy them from A G
or yourself on their own?
A G doesn't as far as I know supply to 14mm gauge, but I bought a 16.5
gauge brass back to back gauge, 14.5 mm ?, and turned the faces down in
a lathe to 12.45 mm. I drilled two holes on the solid part of the gauge,
2.5 mm diameter and just deep enough so that if you push one end of a 26
mm axle set hard into one hole, and then the other end into the same
hole it pushes the wheels in to the correct B to B for 14mm. The other
hole does for 24.5 mm axles.
I have found that if you disturb A G wagon wheels sometimes the rims
come loose. I usually spend an evening trimming the flash, pushing the
rims off, and bedding them back with a smear of 24 hour Araldite. The
next night I regauge them, with another drop of Araldite on the axle. I
think they would probably be O.K. if I didn't mess about with the gauge.
Frank
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From: Mark Kendrick [mailto:trainbrain@...]
Sent: 06 December 2004 12:38
To: O-14@...
Subject: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels
G'day all,
What is commonly used as 14mm gauge wheelsets for rollingstock? I
believe
Roy Link won't sell his wheels separately, is Gibson the only other
supplier?
Is there any interest in having a small run of 14mm gauge wheelsets for
rollingstock made? They could be straight, split or curly spoked, or
disc-with or without holes, and in whatever diameter is wanted. And
whatever
axle length is deemed most suitable. A concensus would have to be
reached as
I don't want to do more than one size/shape yet.
Cost to you would be cost to me plus postage.
If your interested, make yourself heard!
Cheers,
Mark K
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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:17:32 -0000
From: <portwynnstay@...>
Subject: Re: Rollingstock Wheels
Mark,
Alan Gibson is probably the only other reliable supplier of wheels. He already makes at least two diameters of curly spoke, 10.5mm and 12mm diameter and also various 4mm scale disc and spoke wheels of these diameters which can be used by us. He has recently produced for me (as Port Wynnstay Models) a Festiniog teardrop hole disc wheel. You really need to find out what different axle lengths he makes, and there are a few, as I am sure he will supply wheels off axles to set at your own gauge if asked nicely. He supplies my inside bearing wagon wheels like this. I am willing to make the F.R. wheels available for general use if there is a demand. Can't send attachments on group but if you wish to view said wheel contact me off group and I will send the picture.
Regards Phil T.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Kendrick
To: O-14@...
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 12:37 PM
Subject: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels
G'day all,
What is commonly used as 14mm gauge wheelsets for rollingstock? I believe
Roy Link won't sell his wheels separately, is Gibson the only other
supplier?
Is there any interest in having a small run of 14mm gauge wheelsets for
rollingstock made? They could be straight, split or curly spoked, or
disc-with or without holes, and in whatever diameter is wanted. And whatever
axle length is deemed most suitable. A concensus would have to be reached as
I don't want to do more than one size/shape yet.
Cost to you would be cost to me plus postage.
If your interested, make yourself heard!
Cheers,
Mark K
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Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:39:32 -0000
From: <portwynnstay@...>
Subject: Re: Rollingstock Wheels
Frank
See reply to Mark whic should hit group about now for answers to most of your queries.
When I asked A.G. about selling the F.R. wheel he replied that if anyone enquired he referred them to me, if there is a demand I will order extra above and beyond those I need for my kits and supply them, same price as Alan's other wheels and axles.
Regards Phil T.
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From: Frank Sharp
To: O-14@...
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:24 PM
Subject: RE: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels
Mark,
What are you thinking of making or having made that Gibson in particular
doesn't do? He makes curly spokes in 3 sizes. 9, 10.5 and 12mm, and some
of his 00 wheels will also do for narrow gauge. If you are using
standard wheels, make sure you ask for 00, assuming that is the standard
you want, he does different wheel profiles, e.g P4. Normal axle length
is 26 mm but he will also supply, given a couple of days notice usually,
on Lima replacement axles at 24.5 mm. These are a better idea in the 7mm
NGA slate wagons, where you can then fit his waisted bearings. They end
up so free running they are a devil to shunt with Kay Dees, I am working
on a DCC brake van!
I'm sure Phil will correct me if I am wrong, but I think A G is making
the wheels for Portwynnstay's inside bearing Festiniog Railway wagons.
Phil, are they your exclusive for the kits or can we buy them from A G
or yourself on their own?
A G doesn't as far as I know supply to 14mm gauge, but I bought a 16.5
gauge brass back to back gauge, 14.5 mm ?, and turned the faces down in
a lathe to 12.45 mm. I drilled two holes on the solid part of the gauge,
2.5 mm diameter and just deep enough so that if you push one end of a 26
mm axle set hard into one hole, and then the other end into the same
hole it pushes the wheels in to the correct B to B for 14mm. The other
hole does for 24.5 mm axles.
I have found that if you disturb A G wagon wheels sometimes the rims
come loose. I usually spend an evening trimming the flash, pushing the
rims off, and bedding them back with a smear of 24 hour Araldite. The
next night I regauge them, with another drop of Araldite on the axle. I
think they would probably be O.K. if I didn't mess about with the gauge.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Kendrick [mailto:trainbrain@...]
Sent: 06 December 2004 12:38
To: O-14@...
Subject: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels
G'day all,
What is commonly used as 14mm gauge wheelsets for rollingstock? I
believe
Roy Link won't sell his wheels separately, is Gibson the only other
supplier?
Is there any interest in having a small run of 14mm gauge wheelsets for
rollingstock made? They could be straight, split or curly spoked, or
disc-with or without holes, and in whatever diameter is wanted. And
whatever
axle length is deemed most suitable. A concensus would have to be
reached as
I don't want to do more than one size/shape yet.
Cost to you would be cost to me plus postage.
If your interested, make yourself heard!
Cheers,
Mark K
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 19:43:45 -0000
From: "jclutterbuck2001" <jclutterbuck2001@...>
Subject: Re: Rollingstock Wheels
Wrightlines (see keykits under links) also do wagon wheels although I
suspect these are the Alan Gibson ones.
John C
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:26:02 -0500
From: mattjcoleman@...
Subject: RE: The Truth about Romfords
Mark,
Your comments are interesting but gave me quite a start. If the "14mm Romford axles" are actually 14.2 mm gauge they would also be dead-on for 3mm Finescale. Being a member of the 3mm society, I would think that there would have been a lot of interest had they actually been 14.2 mm gauge. Wheels have been a concern for the 3mm Society for a while and I don't recall any comments about them in the Society newsletter but I may have missed it.
The other explanation is that even if they were 14.2 mm, the wheels wouldn't have been very useable in 3mm due to tire width and spoke count.
Just another perspective on this. Thanks for mentioning it.
Matt
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:50:43 +1100
From: "Mark Kendrick" <trainbrain@...>
Subject: The Truth about Romfords
G'day All,
I have heard it said that Romford 14mm gauge axles are actually 14.2mm
gauge for Sn3. According to John Clutterbug's recently posted standards info
(in the files), there is an extra 0.1-0.2mm back to back on Romfords.
Does it make all that much difference? I haven't laid any points yet, but
the track I have is laid to 14mm exactly (even around 6" radius curves) and
the Romfords track fine around it (I come from N using proprietry track so
am unaware of the intricacies of handlaid finescale track).
From what I can tell (left my calipers at work), its only the flange
thickness that is different from the RCL wheelsets. If it does make a
difference, would it be a good idea for us all to send our axles back to
Romford saying they aren't to the right gauge and asking for suitable
replacements?
Regards,
Mark K
Sydney Oz
Who spent an enjoyable weekend playing with 1:1 2' gauge trains
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:05:34 -0000
From: "Frank Sharp" <Frank.J.Sharp@...>
Subject: RE: RE: The Truth about Romfords
Matt,
Let's look at this the other way round, what is there in 3mm wheels
which might work in 14mm narrow gauge?
Frank
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From: mattjcoleman@... [mailto:mattjcoleman@...]
Sent: 06 December 2004 21:26
To: O-14@...
Subject: [O-14] RE: The Truth about Romfords
Mark,
Your comments are interesting but gave me quite a start. If the "14mm
Romford axles" are actually 14.2 mm gauge they would also be dead-on for
3mm Finescale. Being a member of the 3mm society, I would think that
there would have been a lot of interest had they actually been 14.2 mm
gauge. Wheels have been a concern for the 3mm Society for a while and I
don't recall any comments about them in the Society newsletter but I may
have missed it.
The other explanation is that even if they were 14.2 mm, the wheels
wouldn't have been very useable in 3mm due to tire width and spoke
count.
Just another perspective on this. Thanks for mentioning it.
Matt
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:50:43 +1100
From: "Mark Kendrick" <trainbrain@...>
Subject: The Truth about Romfords
G'day All,
I have heard it said that Romford 14mm gauge axles are actually 14.2mm
gauge for Sn3. According to John Clutterbug's recently posted standards
info
(in the files), there is an extra 0.1-0.2mm back to back on Romfords.
Does it make all that much difference? I haven't laid any points yet,
but
the track I have is laid to 14mm exactly (even around 6" radius curves)
and
the Romfords track fine around it (I come from N using proprietry track
so
am unaware of the intricacies of handlaid finescale track).
From what I can tell (left my calipers at work), its only the flange
thickness that is different from the RCL wheelsets. If it does make a
difference, would it be a good idea for us all to send our axles back to
Romford saying they aren't to the right gauge and asking for suitable
replacements?
Regards,
Mark K
Sydney Oz
Who spent an enjoyable weekend playing with 1:1 2' gauge trains
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:39:55 +1100
From: "Mark Kendrick" <trainbrain@...>
Subject: RE: Rollingstock Wheels
G'day All,
I simply want wheels for my own use, I can get them cheaper than importing
them from the UK. And being a student cheapness is a major consideration. I
do have some A G curly spoke 12mm wheels, they are very nice, but still
expensive. And I can get my wheels to whatever size and shape I want. I'm
going to get 12" dia coalskip wheels for myself anyway, and a larger
diameter once I've decided what I want, or unless someone wants to sway my
decision with a preferred size/shape.
Regards,
Mark K
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 23:43:47 -0000
From: "Frank Sharp" <Frank.J.Sharp@...>
Subject: RE: Rollingstock Wheels
Mark,
How constructed, metal rim and plastic inner? Keep us in touch, 7mm
diameter wheels (scale 12") might be of use to some of us. When you get
some made, send Adrian Gray a set for review in Narrow Lines, it is good
publicity and his reviews are fair.
Frank
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From: Mark Kendrick [mailto:trainbrain@...]
Sent: 06 December 2004 23:40
To: O-14@...
Subject: RE: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels
G'day All,
I simply want wheels for my own use, I can get them cheaper than
importing
them from the UK. And being a student cheapness is a major
consideration. I
do have some A G curly spoke 12mm wheels, they are very nice, but still
expensive. And I can get my wheels to whatever size and shape I want.
I'm
going to get 12" dia coalskip wheels for myself anyway, and a larger
diameter once I've decided what I want, or unless someone wants to sway
my
decision with a preferred size/shape.
Regards,
Mark K
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:02:07 +1100
From: "Mark Kendrick" <trainbrain@...>
Subject: RE: Rollingstock Wheels
Frank,
They will be plastic inner, metal rim, metal axle. I can get gunmetal,
nickel silver, brass, mild steel etc for metals, and delrin or other
engineering plastics for inners. I'll have to find out if I can get the
metal blackened.
I've never got past laying flextrack before so materials for wheels is a
whole new game.
The coal skips wheels are a 6 flat spoke design, inside bearing. The
coalskips to go with them will be for sale too sometime next year (in
limited quantities, undecided on construction method). Heres a pic of the
prototype skip (albeit with different wheels):
Will Adrian review something from someone who isn't an Association member?
Regards,
Mark K
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Sent: Tuesday, 7 December 2004 10:44 AM
To: O-14@...
Subject: RE: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels
Mark,
How constructed, metal rim and plastic inner? Keep us in touch, 7mm
diameter wheels (scale 12") might be of use to some of us. When you get
some made, send Adrian Gray a set for review in Narrow Lines, it is good
publicity and his reviews are fair.
Frank
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 00:16:19 -0000
From: "Frank Sharp" <Frank.J.Sharp@...>
Subject: RE: Rollingstock Wheels
Probably, but you should join!
Frank
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From: Mark Kendrick [mailto:trainbrain@...]
Sent: 07 December 2004 00:02
To: O-14@...
Subject: RE: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels
Frank,
They will be plastic inner, metal rim, metal axle. I can get gunmetal,
nickel silver, brass, mild steel etc for metals, and delrin or other
engineering plastics for inners. I'll have to find out if I can get the
metal blackened.
I've never got past laying flextrack before so materials for wheels is a
whole new game.
The coal skips wheels are a 6 flat spoke design, inside bearing. The
coalskips to go with them will be for sale too sometime next year (in
limited quantities, undecided on construction method). Heres a pic of
the
prototype skip (albeit with different wheels):
Will Adrian review something from someone who isn't an Association
member?
Regards,
Mark K
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, 7 December 2004 10:44 AM
To: O-14@...
Subject: RE: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels
Mark,
How constructed, metal rim and plastic inner? Keep us in touch, 7mm
diameter wheels (scale 12") might be of use to some of us. When you get
some made, send Adrian Gray a set for review in Narrow Lines, it is good
publicity and his reviews are fair.
Frank
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Michel,
I cannot attach in Yahoo groups so I am going to put a picture in the
photo section. I usually make a pigs ear of this and the picture is far
too big. If I muck it up, I think you will be able to scroll it, and
will someone PLEASE tell me what I am doing wrong.
There are two gauges. The block is the simple one that Wrightlines sell,
I've highlighted the important bit in green. It is only really much good
for straightish track. The other is I think from C&L components,
possibly intended for EM gauge, I have messed about with C & L chairs on
5mm x 3mm wood sleepers set to narrow gauge spacing and using C & L's
bullhead 4mm scale rail. It is a bit fine for 1930's Festiniog, and I'm
really waiting until Adrian Gray comments on S gauge society track, but
I might still use C & L on the theory that the track is a bit worn and
it certainly has the delicate look which I think suits narrow gauge. I
might go S gauge track for mainline and C & L for sidings and quarry,
with Roy Link's flat bottom for the remoter quarry sections. You need a
whisker off the depth of Romfords flanges or they tend to rattle on the
inside of the C & L chairs. This is TOTALLY PROTOTYPICAL but doesn't
help pickup. Alan Gibson's flanges are shallower and no problem.
Any way, back to that EM gauge gauge. As far as I remember the flangeway
was too narrow as I bought it for the RCL standard, but if you took it
to bits and reversed the two outer discs it comes right. I then turned a
bit of brass tubing, or may be it was the original brass spacer, any way
I turned it (shortened it) to give the right gauge.
I want some three point gauges for making curves, RCL's standard is
really narrowed down EM gauge, it hasn't the slop of 00, so I think I
need gauge widening. I will find or alter some bolt heads so they fit on
the track head. Then drill a bit of plate, brass or aluminium slightly
over size holes but to near enough gauge. Get a bit of track, straight
and dead to gauge, stand the bolts on the track with the track head in
the screw slots and drop the plate over them. Spot 24 hour Araldite to
pack the oversize bolt holes, lightly apply nuts and leave to set. I
think that should work.
I'm sending this then I am going to try to download the picture
Frank
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There are 10 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. RE: Rollingstock Wheels
From: "Frank Sharp" <Frank.J.Sharp@...>
2. Re: Rollingstock Wheels
From: <portwynnstay@...>
3. Re: Rollingstock Wheels
From: <portwynnstay@...>
4. Re: Rollingstock Wheels
From: "jclutterbuck2001" <jclutterbuck2001@...>
5. RE: The Truth about Romfords
From: mattjcoleman@...
6. RE: RE: The Truth about Romfords
From: "Frank Sharp" <Frank.J.Sharp@...>
7. RE: Rollingstock Wheels
From: "Mark Kendrick" <trainbrain@...>
8. RE: Rollingstock Wheels
From: "Frank Sharp" <Frank.J.Sharp@...>
9. RE: Rollingstock Wheels
From: "Mark Kendrick" <trainbrain@...>
10. RE: Rollingstock Wheels
From: "Frank Sharp" <Frank.J.Sharp@...>
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 13:24:52 -0000
From: "Frank Sharp" <Frank.J.Sharp@...>
Subject: RE: Rollingstock Wheels
Mark,
What are you thinking of making or having made that Gibson in
particular doesn't do? He makes curly spokes in 3 sizes. 9, 10.5 and 12mm, and some of his 00 wheels will also do for narrow gauge. If you are using
standard wheels, make sure you ask for 00, assuming that is the standard you want, he does different wheel profiles, e.g P4. Normal axle length
is 26 mm but he will also supply, given a couple of days notice usually, on Lima replacement axles at 24.5 mm. These are a better idea in the 7mm NGA slate wagons, where you can then fit his waisted bearings. They end up so free running they are a devil to shunt with Kay Dees, I am working on a DCC brake van!
I'm sure Phil will correct me if I am wrong, but I think A G is making
the wheels for Portwynnstay's inside bearing Festiniog Railway wagons.
Phil, are they your exclusive for the kits or can we buy them from A G
or yourself on their own?
A G doesn't as far as I know supply to 14mm gauge, but I bought a 16.5
gauge brass back to back gauge, 14.5 mm ?, and turned the faces down in a lathe to 12.45 mm. I drilled two holes on the solid part of the gauge, 2.5 mm diameter and just deep enough so that if you push one end of a 26 mm axle set hard into one hole, and then the other end into the same
hole it pushes the wheels in to the correct B to B for 14mm. The other
hole does for 24.5 mm axles.
I have found that if you disturb A G wagon wheels sometimes the rims
come loose. I usually spend an evening trimming the flash, pushing the
rims off, and bedding them back with a smear of 24 hour Araldite. The
next night I regauge them, with another drop of Araldite on the axle. I think they would probably be O.K. if I didn't mess about with the gauge.
Frank
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From: Mark Kendrick [mailto:trainbrain@...]
Sent: 06 December 2004 12:38
To: O-14@...
Subject: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels
G'day all,
What is commonly used as 14mm gauge wheelsets for rollingstock? I
believe
Roy Link won't sell his wheels separately, is Gibson the only other
supplier?
Is there any interest in having a small run of 14mm gauge wheelsets
for rollingstock made? They could be straight, split or curly spoked, or
disc-with or without holes, and in whatever diameter is wanted. And
whatever
axle length is deemed most suitable. A concensus would have to be
reached as
I don't want to do more than one size/shape yet.
Cost to you would be cost to me plus postage.
If your interested, make yourself heard!
Cheers,
Mark K
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:17:32 -0000
From: <portwynnstay@...>
Subject: Re: Rollingstock Wheels
Mark,
Alan Gibson is probably the only other reliable supplier of wheels. He
already makes at least two diameters of curly spoke, 10.5mm and 12mm
diameter and also various 4mm scale disc and spoke wheels of these
diameters which can be used by us. He has recently produced for me (as Port Wynnstay Models) a Festiniog teardrop hole disc wheel. You really need to find out what different axle lengths he makes, and there are a few, as I am sure he will supply wheels off axles to set at your own gauge if asked nicely. He supplies my inside bearing wagon wheels like this. I am willing to make the F.R. wheels available for general use if there is a demand. Can't send attachments on group but if you wish to view said wheel contact me off group and I will send the picture.
Regards Phil T.
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Kendrick
To: O-14@...
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 12:37 PM
Subject: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels
G'day all,
What is commonly used as 14mm gauge wheelsets for rollingstock? I believe Roy Link won't sell his wheels separately, is Gibson the only other
supplier?
Is there any interest in having a small run of 14mm gauge wheelsets for rollingstock made? They could be straight, split or curly spoked, or
disc-with or without holes, and in whatever diameter is wanted. And
whatever
axle length is deemed most suitable. A concensus would have to be reached as
I don't want to do more than one size/shape yet.
Cost to you would be cost to me plus postage.
If your interested, make yourself heard!
Cheers,
Mark K
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 18:39:32 -0000
From: <portwynnstay@...>
Subject: Re: Rollingstock Wheels
Frank
See reply to Mark whic should hit group about now for answers to most
of your queries.
When I asked A.G. about selling the F.R. wheel he replied that if anyone enquired he referred them to me, if there is a demand I will order extra above and beyond those I need for my kits and supply them, same price as Alan's other wheels and axles.
Regards Phil T.
----- Original Message -----
From: Frank Sharp
To: O-14@...
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 1:24 PM
Subject: RE: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels
Mark,
What are you thinking of making or having made that Gibson in particular doesn't do? He makes curly spokes in 3 sizes. 9, 10.5 and 12mm, and some of his 00 wheels will also do for narrow gauge. If you are using
standard wheels, make sure you ask for 00, assuming that is the standard you want, he does different wheel profiles, e.g P4. Normal axle length is 26 mm but he will also supply, given a couple of days notice usually, on Lima replacement axles at 24.5 mm. These are a better idea in the 7mm NGA slate wagons, where you can then fit his waisted bearings. They end up so free running they are a devil to shunt with Kay Dees, I am working on a DCC brake van!
I'm sure Phil will correct me if I am wrong, but I think A G is making the wheels for Portwynnstay's inside bearing Festiniog Railway wagons. Phil, are they your exclusive for the kits or can we buy them from A G or yourself on their own?
A G doesn't as far as I know supply to 14mm gauge, but I bought a 16.5 gauge brass back to back gauge, 14.5 mm ?, and turned the faces down in a lathe to 12.45 mm. I drilled two holes on the solid part of the gauge, 2.5 mm diameter and just deep enough so that if you push one end of a 26 mm axle set hard into one hole, and then the other end into the same
hole it pushes the wheels in to the correct B to B for 14mm. The other hole does for 24.5 mm axles.
I have found that if you disturb A G wagon wheels sometimes the rims
come loose. I usually spend an evening trimming the flash, pushing the rims off, and bedding them back with a smear of 24 hour Araldite. The
next night I regauge them, with another drop of Araldite on the axle. I think they would probably be O.K. if I didn't mess about with the gauge.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Kendrick [mailto:trainbrain@...]
Sent: 06 December 2004 12:38
To: O-14@...
Subject: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels
G'day all,
What is commonly used as 14mm gauge wheelsets for rollingstock? I
believe
Roy Link won't sell his wheels separately, is Gibson the only other
supplier?
Is there any interest in having a small run of 14mm gauge wheelsets
for rollingstock made? They could be straight, split or curly spoked, or
disc-with or without holes, and in whatever diameter is wanted. And
whatever
axle length is deemed most suitable. A concensus would have to be
reached as
I don't want to do more than one size/shape yet.
Cost to you would be cost to me plus postage.
If your interested, make yourself heard!
Cheers,
Mark K
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 19:43:45 -0000
From: "jclutterbuck2001" <jclutterbuck2001@...>
Subject: Re: Rollingstock Wheels
Wrightlines (see keykits under links) also do wagon wheels although I
suspect these are the Alan Gibson ones.
John C
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:26:02 -0500
From: mattjcoleman@...
Subject: RE: The Truth about Romfords
Mark,
Your comments are interesting but gave me quite a start. If the "14mm
Romford axles" are actually 14.2 mm gauge they would also be dead-on
for 3mm Finescale. Being a member of the 3mm society, I would think that there would have been a lot of interest had they actually been 14.2 mm gauge. Wheels have been a concern for the 3mm Society for a while and I don't recall any comments about them in the Society newsletter but I may have missed it.
The other explanation is that even if they were 14.2 mm, the wheels
wouldn't have been very useable in 3mm due to tire width and spoke count.
Just another perspective on this. Thanks for mentioning it.
Matt
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:50:43 +1100
From: "Mark Kendrick" <trainbrain@...>
Subject: The Truth about Romfords
G'day All,
I have heard it said that Romford 14mm gauge axles are actually 14.2mm
gauge for Sn3. According to John Clutterbug's recently posted
standards info
(in the files), there is an extra 0.1-0.2mm back to back on Romfords.
Does it make all that much difference? I haven't laid any points yet, but the track I have is laid to 14mm exactly (even around 6" radius curves) and
the Romfords track fine around it (I come from N using proprietry track so am unaware of the intricacies of handlaid finescale track).
From what I can tell (left my calipers at work), its only the flange
thickness that is different from the RCL wheelsets. If it does make a
difference, would it be a good idea for us all to send our axles back to Romford saying they aren't to the right gauge and asking for suitable
replacements?
Regards,
Mark K
Sydney Oz
Who spent an enjoyable weekend playing with 1:1 2' gauge trains
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:05:34 -0000
From: "Frank Sharp" <Frank.J.Sharp@...>
Subject: RE: RE: The Truth about Romfords
Matt,
Let's look at this the other way round, what is there in 3mm wheels
which might work in 14mm narrow gauge?
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: mattjcoleman@... [mailto:mattjcoleman@...]
Sent: 06 December 2004 21:26
To: O-14@...
Subject: [O-14] RE: The Truth about Romfords
Mark,
Your comments are interesting but gave me quite a start. If the "14mm
Romford axles" are actually 14.2 mm gauge they would also be dead-on
for 3mm Finescale. Being a member of the 3mm society, I would think that
there would have been a lot of interest had they actually been 14.2 mm
gauge. Wheels have been a concern for the 3mm Society for a while and I don't recall any comments about them in the Society newsletter but I may have missed it.
The other explanation is that even if they were 14.2 mm, the wheels
wouldn't have been very useable in 3mm due to tire width and spoke
count.
Just another perspective on this. Thanks for mentioning it.
Matt
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:50:43 +1100
From: "Mark Kendrick" <trainbrain@...>
Subject: The Truth about Romfords
G'day All,
I have heard it said that Romford 14mm gauge axles are actually 14.2mm
gauge for Sn3. According to John Clutterbug's recently posted standards info
(in the files), there is an extra 0.1-0.2mm back to back on Romfords.
Does it make all that much difference? I haven't laid any points yet,
but
the track I have is laid to 14mm exactly (even around 6" radius curves) and
the Romfords track fine around it (I come from N using proprietry track so
am unaware of the intricacies of handlaid finescale track).
From what I can tell (left my calipers at work), its only the flange
thickness that is different from the RCL wheelsets. If it does make a
difference, would it be a good idea for us all to send our axles back to Romford saying they aren't to the right gauge and asking for suitable
replacements?
Regards,
Mark K
Sydney Oz
Who spent an enjoyable weekend playing with 1:1 2' gauge trains
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:39:55 +1100
From: "Mark Kendrick" <trainbrain@...>
Subject: RE: Rollingstock Wheels
G'day All,
I simply want wheels for my own use, I can get them cheaper than
importing them from the UK. And being a student cheapness is a major consideration. I
do have some A G curly spoke 12mm wheels, they are very nice, but still expensive. And I can get my wheels to whatever size and shape I want. I'm going to get 12" dia coalskip wheels for myself anyway, and a larger
diameter once I've decided what I want, or unless someone wants to sway my decision with a preferred size/shape.
Regards,
Mark K
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 23:43:47 -0000
From: "Frank Sharp" <Frank.J.Sharp@...>
Subject: RE: Rollingstock Wheels
Mark,
How constructed, metal rim and plastic inner? Keep us in touch, 7mm
diameter wheels (scale 12") might be of use to some of us. When you
get some made, send Adrian Gray a set for review in Narrow Lines, it is good publicity and his reviews are fair.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Kendrick [mailto:trainbrain@...]
Sent: 06 December 2004 23:40
To: O-14@...
Subject: RE: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels
G'day All,
I simply want wheels for my own use, I can get them cheaper than
importing
them from the UK. And being a student cheapness is a major
consideration. I
do have some A G curly spoke 12mm wheels, they are very nice, but still expensive. And I can get my wheels to whatever size and shape I want.
I'm
going to get 12" dia coalskip wheels for myself anyway, and a larger
diameter once I've decided what I want, or unless someone wants to sway my
decision with a preferred size/shape.
Regards,
Mark K
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 11:02:07 +1100
From: "Mark Kendrick" <trainbrain@...>
Subject: RE: Rollingstock Wheels
Frank,
They will be plastic inner, metal rim, metal axle. I can get gunmetal,
nickel silver, brass, mild steel etc for metals, and delrin or other
engineering plastics for inners. I'll have to find out if I can get
the metal blackened.
I've never got past laying flextrack before so materials for wheels is a whole new game.
The coal skips wheels are a 6 flat spoke design, inside bearing. The
coalskips to go with them will be for sale too sometime next year (in
limited quantities, undecided on construction method). Heres a pic of the prototype skip (albeit with different wheels):
Will Adrian review something from someone who isn't an Association member? Regards,
Mark K
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, 7 December 2004 10:44 AM
To: O-14@...
Subject: RE: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels
Mark,
How constructed, metal rim and plastic inner? Keep us in touch, 7mm
diameter wheels (scale 12") might be of use to some of us. When you get some made, send Adrian Gray a set for review in Narrow Lines, it is good publicity and his reviews are fair.
Frank
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 00:16:19 -0000
From: "Frank Sharp" <Frank.J.Sharp@...>
Subject: RE: Rollingstock Wheels
Probably, but you should join!
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Kendrick [mailto:trainbrain@...]
Sent: 07 December 2004 00:02
To: O-14@...
Subject: RE: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels
Frank,
They will be plastic inner, metal rim, metal axle. I can get gunmetal,
nickel silver, brass, mild steel etc for metals, and delrin or other
engineering plastics for inners. I'll have to find out if I can get
the metal blackened.
I've never got past laying flextrack before so materials for wheels is a whole new game.
The coal skips wheels are a 6 flat spoke design, inside bearing. The
coalskips to go with them will be for sale too sometime next year (in
limited quantities, undecided on construction method). Heres a pic of
the
prototype skip (albeit with different wheels):
Will Adrian review something from someone who isn't an Association
member?
Regards,
Mark K
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, 7 December 2004 10:44 AM
To: O-14@...
Subject: RE: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels
Mark,
How constructed, metal rim and plastic inner? Keep us in touch, 7mm
diameter wheels (scale 12") might be of use to some of us. When you get some made, send Adrian Gray a set for review in Narrow Lines, it is good publicity and his reviews are fair.
Frank
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