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O14 group birthday - started 28th November 2004
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Thursday, November 28, 2024
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The O14 group was started by Mark back in 2004. It was originally a yahoo group but all the messages were transferred here. The earliest messages can be seen here:?/g/o14/messages?start=11:2004:0
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Happy 20th Anniversary to all O14 members!
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I would be interested to hear from members on what they consider have been
the significant achievements for 14 mm gauge over this period?
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Mark – are you still modelling? It has been years since I last come in
contact with you!
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Bruce Wood
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Thursday, November 28, 2024
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The O14 group was started by Mark back in
2004. It was originally a yahoo group but all the messages were transferred
here. The earliest messages can be seen here: /g/o14/messages?start=11:2004:0
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Likewise, happy birthday to us!
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As to the significant achievements over the past 20 years, I find that tricky to answer.? I think Rhyd and it’s subsequent extensions in it’s permanent home is a fine example as is Paul Holmes historical
FR layout.? I know that Paul is also amassing quite a collection of modern day FR stock too and the time he is taking on getting the Mountaineer details right is very commendable.? John Clutterbuck’s layout at Expo NG is one of my memorable highlights and
I believe it is settling in to its new home.
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These are but a few of the examples I can think of at the moment but I suspect that there are many other 014 layouts and projects out there.
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As for products, I think we have Paul Martin (EDM Models) to thank for pushing 014 as much as he can, both with RTP track (which I don’t think sold as well as hoped) and regauging the Lionheart and
Bachmann locos.
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Cheers, Robin
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Happy 20th Anniversary to all O14 members!
I would be interested to hear from members on what they consider have been the significant achievements for 14 mm gauge over this period?
Mark – are you still modelling? It has been years since I last come in contact with you!
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O14 group birthday - started 28th November 2004
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Thursday, November 28, 2024
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The O14 group was started by Mark back in 2004. It was originally a yahoo group but all the messages were transferred here. The earliest messages can be seen here:
/g/o14/messages?start=11:2004:0
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Yes happy anniversary to fellow O14ers. I'm not sure Mark is still on the group or even active in O14. This was originally a Yahoo group and I joined as member no.2. We were an early transition to groups.io so didn't have to pay (shh it's still free).
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It is also just over 10 years since I exhibited the PLR at ExPong. That was a great day alongside David with Rhyd and David Malton with his ALR.
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After nearly 3 years the PLR is installed now with the traverser built for ExPong14 and I've nearly completed the circuit of hidden track which will enable the grandchildren to drive trains nose to tail - they're still a bit young for shunting. Thoughts are turning towards more locos, a large rake of clay wagons and the tippler.
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It's a shame Lionheart's plans for nearly RTR O14 were thwarted by their choice of wheels, but good news that Paul is providing conversion services for these and the Bachmann QHs.
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O14 will probably always be a niche within a niche, but then that is perhaps what makes it special.
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My biggest regret was not being able to chat to someone I think I recognised (a lead singer of a famous band - who you may ask!) at a trackwork demo I gave as someone else kept me talking too long.
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Hi all and thanks for the mention Robin. I’ve no idea when I joined the yahoo group but started 014 modelling back around 2005 with the Port Wynnstay England locos. It’s still a niche scale/gauge which suits me fine! ?
There must be many who model in 014 and are neither members of the 7mm NGA nor here, my daughter’s fiancé for one who is slowly accumulating stock for a Col Stevens ?era WHR layout of Croesor Junction.?
Thanks must go to Paul Martin for assisting us with his products.?
So happy 20th birthday to the group. Maybe next year as it will be 21, we should storm the Burton show? ?Oh wait - my Corris layout is 15.75mm gauge….?
Paul?
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Nothing wrong with 15.75mm for the Corris - see our about page which states:
This typically, but not exclusively, means using finescale or exact prototype standards and correct gauge. Those modelling nominal 2ft railways in 7mm scale use 14mm gauge track (hence O14), 17.5mm for 2ft 6ins, 21mm for 3ft, etc. (and often Scale7 for standard gauge).
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I was a late adopter, I started modelling in 014 around 2016. Inspirations include?seeing Roy Link and his lunchbox layout at Greenwich around 1989, when I had an 012 model of the Groudle Glen Railway. More recently, the Abbey Light Railway and Tony's Forest as portable layouts. I recall we had a substantial 014 at Burton around 2018 or so. Time for another? I have also been experimenting with 021 for small 3' gauge prototypes.
David
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I also remember seeing Rhyd and ALR at that show but I have had to good fortune to have seen both much more recently.
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I guess I started in 014 when Roy first introduced his range in the 1980’s.? However it took a lot longer for me to actually build the intended layout!? I had amassed quite a range of locos and stock
in the intervening period and still have a lot left to build.? I really do need a bigger 014 layout (and a 16.5 one as well for all my existing GVT based stock).? One can dream!
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Cheers, Robin
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Yes happy anniversary to fellow O14ers. I'm not sure Mark is still on the group or even active in O14. This was originally a Yahoo group and I joined as member no.2. We were an early transition to groups.io so didn't have to pay (she it's
still free).
It is also just over 10 years since I exhibited the PLR at ExPong. That was a great day alongside David with Rhyd and David Malton with his ALR.
After nearly 3 years the PLR is installed now with the traverser built ExPong14 and I've nearly completed the circuit of hidden track which will enable the grandchildren to drive trains nose to tail - they're still a bit young for shunting.
Thoughts are turning towards more locos, a large rake of clay wagons and the tippler.
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I've been building slate waggons to 14mm gauge since the early 1990s!! David Rae modestly omits to mention his super layout Bunny Mine. Adrian?
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I originally started the PLR as 16.5mm c.1985 but then very quickly rebuilt it to 13.7mm gauge (for 1ft 11 1/2ins) as it just didn't look right. This again I rebuilt to 14mm once I became aware of Roy's RCL Kits 14mm range - there wasn't much built as my progress was glacial as it still is. It was about 8 years later that I got in touch with Roy and he published my trackwork articles in the Review. The rest is perhaps history. The original board still exists, there is still track to build and years of scenic work ahead - but then that was always the point!
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John
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Hi Paul & All,
I am here & have been for some time ? just not very productively as in the main my modelling in the last few years has been focused on P4 bits. I have been sorting some 014 stock in the last few months though, thanks for the inspiration to do so!
As you say, Croesor Junction is in the pipeline - though I think prior to that there will be an inglenook called Porthmadog Snowdon Street, with a bit of the mill & surroundings. Only 2 points to worry about as I haven't built them in flat bottom before!
House & wedding may scupper short term progress however!
Cheers, Pete
On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 at 15:08, Paul Holmes via groups.io <heatonwood@...> wrote: [Edited Message Follows]
Hi all and thanks for the mention Robin. I’ve no idea when I joined the yahoo group but started 014 modelling back around 2005 with the Port Wynnstay England locos. It’s still a niche scale/gauge which suits me fine! ?
There must be many who model in 014 and are neither members of the 7mm NGA nor here, my daughter’s fiancé for one who is slowly accumulating stock for a Col Stevens ?era WHR layout of Croesor Junction.?
Thanks must go to Paul Martin for assisting us with his products.?
So happy 20th birthday to the group. Maybe next year as it will be 21, we should storm the Burton show? ?Oh wait - my Corris layout is 15.75mm gauge….?
Paul?
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I wonder how many of us got into O14 by accident, or nearly so? Back when the Greenwich show was still in Greenwich I bought one of Roy Link’s first batch of Rustons plus some skips (and a horse as back-up power to the loco!). The kit was for 14mm gauge, so for no better reason that’s what I built, together with a very small “skips with everything” diorama. This reached the operable-but-unscenicked stage before my butterfly mind switched to something else.?
Fast forward a few years, and on a whim I picked up an unbuilt Peco Hunslet and Branchlines chassis from the 7mmNGA sales stand. I dithered over which gauge to build it to, but eventually decided on 14mm purely to match the Ruston.
Forward a few more years, and I bought the Alan Gibson kit for “Lew”. The earlier locos dictated the choice of 14mm gauge, but I now discovered its benefits - it not only looks better, but gives far better clearances between the frames on outside-frame locos. A Wrightlines Baldwin showed similar clearance benefits on an inside-frame loco, both in the crucial areas behind the crossheads, and for bogie swing without clouting the back of the cylinders. ?More recent projects such as an NGG16 Garratt and L&B Lyn have likewise been no harder in O14 than in O16.5.
I now tell people that I model in O14 because, in contrast to EM and P4, it’s actually easier than its commercial-gauge equivalent. It’s kind of true…. but inertia is the real reason!
Allan
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On 1 Dec 2024, at 20:34, Peter Tarver via groups.io <peter_tarver@...> wrote:
?Hi Paul & All,
I am here & have been for some time ? just not very productively as in the main my modelling in the last few years has been focused on P4 bits. I have been sorting some 014 stock in the last few months though, thanks for the inspiration to do so!
As you say, Croesor Junction is in the pipeline - though I think prior to that there will be an inglenook called Porthmadog Snowdon Street, with a bit of the mill & surroundings. Only 2 points to worry about as I haven't built them in flat bottom before!
House & wedding may scupper short term progress however!
Cheers, Pete On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 at 15:08, Paul Holmes via groups.io <heatonwood@...> wrote: [Edited Message Follows]
Hi all and thanks for the mention Robin. I’ve no idea when I joined the yahoo group but started 014 modelling back around 2005 with the Port Wynnstay England locos. It’s still a niche scale/gauge which suits me fine! ?
There must be many who model in 014 and are neither members of the 7mm NGA nor here, my daughter’s fiancé for one who is slowly accumulating stock for a Col Stevens ?era WHR layout of Croesor Junction.?
Thanks must go to Paul Martin for assisting us with his products.?
So happy 20th birthday to the group. Maybe next year as it will be 21, we should storm the Burton show? ?Oh wait - my Corris layout is 15.75mm gauge….?
Paul?
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Hi Gents,
I think special accolades are in order for David from KB
Scale for keeping Roy’s range of locos, rolling stock and accessories
alive!
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Also, Paul’s support with the re-gauging of the L&B
models would have been a special prize for those modelling the L&B. With the
ever diminishing number of suppliers and support services available, it was
sensational for Paul take on this project, and I am sure it would have been a
very labour intensive modification exercise.
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Reading some of our member stories, it appears common
that some projects take years (or decades?). I have probably not been as
productive as I should have been with very little O14 modelling in the last 10
years. I have actually accumulated a reasonable roster of Listers other locos
and rolling stock which will be adequate for when my grand O14 project happens.
I am finding the primary impediment to be the track building. I have all the
track gauges and frog jigs etc, however I do find track building to be the most
tedious part of model railways. I am aware that Paul now has some r-t-r ?track available, however his website
shows this currently as “Out of stock”. Maybe over the Christmas break, I should
start making a few points?
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Bruce
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wonder how many of us got into O14 by accident, or nearly so?
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Back when the Greenwich show was still in Greenwich I bought one of Roy
Link’s first batch of Rustons plus some skips (and a horse as back-up power to
the loco!). The kit was for 14mm gauge, so for no better reason that’s what I
built, together with a very small “skips with everything” diorama. This reached
the operable-but-unscenicked stage before my butterfly mind switched to
something else.
?
Fast forward a few years, and on a whim I picked up an unbuilt Peco Hunslet
and Branchlines chassis from the 7mmNGA sales stand. I dithered over which gauge
to build it to, but eventually decided on 14mm purely to match the Ruston.
?
Forward a few more years, and I bought the Alan Gibson kit for “Lew”. The
earlier locos dictated the choice of 14mm gauge, but I now discovered its
benefits - it not only looks better, but gives far better clearances between the
frames on outside-frame locos. A Wrightlines Baldwin showed similar clearance
benefits on an inside-frame loco, both in the crucial areas behind the
crossheads, and for bogie swing without clouting the back of the
cylinders.? More recent projects such as an NGG16 Garratt and L&B Lyn
have likewise been no harder in O14 than in O16.5.
?
I now tell people that I model in O14 because, in contrast to EM and P4,
it’s actually easier than its commercial-gauge equivalent. It’s kind of true….
but inertia is the real reason!
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Allan
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On 1 Dec 2024, at 20:34, Peter Tarver via groups.io
<peter_tarver@...> wrote:
?Hi Paul & All,
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I am here & have been for some time ? just not very productively as
in the main my modelling in the last few years has been focused on P4 bits. I
have been sorting some 014 stock in the last few months though, thanks for the
inspiration to do so!
?
As you say, Croesor Junction is in the pipeline - though I think prior to
that there will be an inglenook called Porthmadog Snowdon Street, with a bit
of the mill & surroundings. Only 2 points to worry about as I haven't
built them in flat bottom before!
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House & wedding may scupper short term progress however!
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Cheers,
Pete
On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 at 15:08, Paul Holmes via groups.io
<heatonwood@...> wrote:
[Edited Message Follows]
Hi all and thanks for the mention Robin. I’ve no idea when I joined the
yahoo group but started 014 modelling back around 2005 with the Port
Wynnstay England locos. It’s still a niche scale/gauge which suits me
fine!?
There must be many who model in 014 and are neither members of the 7mm
NGA nor here, my daughter’s fiancé for one who is slowly accumulating stock
for a Col Stevens? era WHR layout of Croesor Junction.?
Thanks must go to Paul Martin for assisting us with his products.
So happy 20th birthday to the group. Maybe next year as it will be 21,
we should storm the Burton show?? Oh wait - my Corris layout is 15.75mm
gauge….
Paul
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Robin Edwards
Paul Holmes
Adrian Gray
Allan Dare