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North Staffs coaches

 

At Hulme End, terminus of the Leek and Manifold there were two grounded North Staffs four wheel coach bodies. ?My expertise is decidedly lacking on NSR vehicles and I need some help as I am modelling Hulme End in 7mm finescale (17.5mm gauge)?

So - what are they, ?are there any drawings or even better any 7mm scale etchings. ?Here are the photos that I have, courtesy of RCL Publications and copied here with permission.?

Over to the experts with thanks ?Paul ?( also posted on 7mm group. )
 

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Paul,
To answer your questions yes there are drawings they are in the NRM and the HMRS archives. As for kits/etches ?I have never heard of any. And with the way things are going in 7mm standard gauge I wouldn't hold your breath on there being any either.

Marc?


On 27 Jun 2018, at 12:26, Paul Holmes <heatonwood@...> wrote:

At Hulme End, terminus of the Leek and Manifold there were two grounded North Staffs four wheel coach bodies. ?My expertise is decidedly lacking on NSR vehicles and I need some help as I am modelling Hulme End in 7mm finescale (17.5mm gauge)?

So - what are they, ?are there any drawings or even better any 7mm scale etchings. ?Here are the photos that I have, courtesy of RCL Publications and copied here with permission.?

Over to the experts with thanks ?Paul ?( also posted on 7mm group. )<IMG_0927.JPG><IMG_0926.JPG>

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Worsley Works lists some North Staffs carriages.

The full brake looks like a fairly standard Ashbury product, with the oval panels on the door.? Kits of other Ashbury users (North London Railway, Furness, for example) might be the same.

There is a group on the Foxfield Railway restoring / recreating a train of North Staffs carriages, they might be worth asking,

George!
 

Thanks both. Any idea on diagram numbers to start searching? ?
The Worsley etches are for bogie carriages so too long but the van is a six wheeler. No photos anywhere to help though!?
I will contact the North Staffs Study group and Foxfield next too?
Cheers. Paul?
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The full brake looks like a North London Railway example to me - the raised birdcage roof and the distinctive raised oval sections on the doors are what were found on most (if not all) North London Railway brake coaches - there is a nice photo at the bottom of this page of a restored brake van body at Woolwich Station museum -??

The Furness Railway Trust have one in their collection, alongside several other NLR coaches, for eventual restoration to running order -??

No idea re the origins of the other coach, certainly not North London Railway - though with what appears to be double doors at the far end of the photo could it have originally been another brake coach??

Cheers,?

Neil
 

Hello Paul,

I'm pretty sure that is a North London Railway passenger brake van as it has the distinctive 'birdcage' lookout. The NSR had none like these. Roger Cromblehome [Apphagraphix] does a nice etch kit for the shorter one which ran on the KESR - I have this unbuilt.

Assuming the all-compartment one is NSR, someone called 5D_Stoke does them on Shapeways in 4mm scale so they might scale up.
The Foxfield Raeilway is restoring a complete train of these and they have the best information on them.? Link here to a thread in RmWeb.



Hope this is helpful.

David

On 27 June 2018 at 12:26, Paul Holmes <heatonwood@...> wrote:
At Hulme End, terminus of the Leek and Manifold there were two grounded North Staffs four wheel coach bodies.? My expertise is decidedly lacking on NSR vehicles and I need some help as I am modelling Hulme End in 7mm finescale (17.5mm gauge)?

So - what are they, ?are there any drawings or even better any 7mm scale etchings.? Here are the photos that I have, courtesy of RCL Publications and copied here with permission.?

Over to the experts with thanks ?Paul ?( also posted on 7mm group. )


 

The Furness Railway trust would also be worth contacting as they have a North London full brake that looks identical to yours:


best regards, George!

On ?Wednesday?, ?27? ?June? ?2018? ?15?:?01?:?26? ?CEST, Paul Holmes <heatonwood@...> wrote:


Thanks both. Any idea on diagram numbers to start searching? ?
The Worsley etches are for bogie carriages so too long but the van is a six wheeler. No photos anywhere to help though!?
I will contact the North Staffs Study group and Foxfield next too?
Cheers. Paul?

 

Thanks George. It does look very similar but is not as long with fewer panels. I suspect the Hulme End one might be a 6 wheeler and theirs four maybe. I can’t see why a North London van should end up on a North Staffs line really, but I don’t know what vans the NSR had. Cheers all. Paul?
 

Thanks David. There is a photo of an inbuilt alphagrafix kit online that I have seen. This does look like a longer version to very similar design so I shall probably get a kit and either use modeller’s license or do the proper thing and graft another few panels onto the end in plastic.?
The carriage looks different from both the Foxfield versions and the 5D stoke ones in that the top of the windows are almost arched, with square bases. Quite unusual.?
 

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Paul,

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skiptonrailsoc.org.uk/lofthouse_album.htm

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How close are the ex Metropolitan coaches?

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Frank

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Thanks David. There is a photo of an inbuilt alphagrafix kit online that I have seen. This does look like a longer version to very similar design so I shall probably get a kit and either use modeller’s license or do the proper thing and graft another few panels onto the end in plastic.?
The carriage looks different from both the Foxfield versions and the 5D stoke ones in that the top of the windows are almost arched, with square bases. Quite unusual.?

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