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More on 14mm axles


 

Further to the recent issues regarding 14mm axles I am finding that
some kits do not allow the distance between the frames to be adjusted
to match the gauge and maintain the correct relationship between
cranks, motion and cylinders etc. For example with my Backwoods K1
Garratt it means that the flycranks etc, are too close to the frames
by 1.25 mm each side (16.5 - 14) / 2.

In 4mm many kit manufacturers supply different frame spacers to suit
OO, EM and P4. With the rise in 14mm gauge perhaps the kit
manufacturers should be encouraged to do the same.

On my K1 I am now considering whether to make new longer axle
extensions (probably in steel) to which I could attach the flycranks
directly instead of using the plastic bushes. This would mean another
complete dismantle and restart, with completion even further away. At
least it will be a respite from the Xmas telly repeats!

John C


adriangrayfr
 

--- In O-14@..., "jclutterbuck2001"
<jclutterbuck2001@y...> wrote:

Further to the recent issues regarding 14mm axles I am finding that
some kits do not allow the distance between the frames to be
adjusted
to match the gauge and maintain the correct relationship between
cranks, motion and cylinders etc. For example with my Backwoods K1
Garratt it means that the flycranks etc, are too close to the frames
by 1.25 mm each side (16.5 - 14) / 2.
John,
That should not have happened as the McParlins have axle extensions
of two lengths, one for 16.5mm gauge axles and another for 14mm gauge.
Did you buy your K1 as a 14mm set up or have you adapted it?
Either way, give Pete a ring and check you have extensions of the
correct length.
I would check mine but my kit has been carefully packed away by my
wife so that I deliver on my promise to complete before Christmas
some DIY jobs that have languished, 99% done, for far too long.
When I made the promise I didn't think she would take it to be THIS
Christmas!!
:-)

In 4mm many kit manufacturers supply different frame spacers to suit
OO, EM and P4. With the rise in 14mm gauge perhaps the kit
manufacturers should be encouraged to do the same.
Many already do, when appropriate - Agenoria, Mercian and Wrightlines
to name three.

Adrian


 

Adrian/Frank

My K1 kit was for 14mm, and therefore I assume I have the correct
brass extensions. Note these are used directly in the bearings (e.g.
brass in brass) which was one of the first things I did'nt like about
them.

Now I have assembled the flycranks, coupling rods etc., I still feel
they should be further out as the con rod is currently about 1.5-2mm
shy of the slide bars. Note the slide bars, and cylinders are much
further out (2+mm each side!) than the prototype which led me to the
conclusion that everything is designed for 16.5 gauge and 14mm gauge
is a poor compromise. This may be a bit unfair. I have not built any
other kits intended for 14mm so perhaps my general observation was
also unfair.

I get the feeling my continuously increasing fine scale aspirations
for the kit are preventing me from enjoying building it. The trouble
is once I see something obviously wrong it will always bug me, so I
keep rebuilding parts. A case of 3 steps forward, 2 steps back and
using up 5 steps of modelling time! Futhermore I question whether my
skills are up to my aspirations. I'm getting better but will never be
a Guy Mitchell.

Note I do have some masters to enable production of replacement
cylinder and valve covers in resin of the correct size and number of
bolts. Casting costs for a set (including covering the mould costs)
would end up being in the region of ?2 - ?3. If there is enough
interest I could get some done.

On the subject of DIY I have convinced my wife that insulating the
roof space of my substantial loft will save on heating costs, as it
will trap any heat lost from the house below. At least I'll now be
warm in the winter and cool in the summer and get more modelling time.
This will no doubt be the source of more moans - she did buy me the K1
though!

John


adriangrayfr
 

--- In O-14@..., "jclutterbuck2001"
<jclutterbuck2001@y...> wrote:

My K1 kit was for 14mm, and therefore I assume I have the correct
brass extensions. Note these are used directly in the bearings (e.g.
brass in brass) which was one of the first things I did'nt like
about
them.
I used phosphor bronze for just that reason (but forgot to mention it
in my Narrow Lines comments - d'oh!)

Now I have assembled the flycranks, coupling rods etc., I still feel
they should be further out as the con rod is currently about 1.5-2mm
shy of the slide bars. Note the slide bars, and cylinders are much
further out (2+mm each side!) than the prototype which led me to the
conclusion that everything is designed for 16.5 gauge and 14mm gauge
is a poor compromise. This may be a bit unfair. I have not built any
other kits intended for 14mm so perhaps my general observation was
also unfair.
On the contrary, I think you are absolutely correct. What you are
observing, however, is a legacy of the kit having been orignally
designed for 9mm gauge when it should have been 8mm - a discrepancy
of 12.5% and the source of the problem. I confess I haven't taken a
vernier to them but I guess that there MAY be extra width between the
frames to suit 009 AND clearance outside for all the slightly
overscale valve gear. When blown up for 7mm scale the 'errors' would
be compounded.

I get the feeling my continuously increasing fine scale aspirations
for the kit are preventing me from enjoying building it. The trouble
is once I see something obviously wrong it will always bug me, so I
keep rebuilding parts. A case of 3 steps forward, 2 steps back and
using up 5 steps of modelling time! Futhermore I question whether my
skills are up to my aspirations. I'm getting better but will never
be a Guy Mitchell.
:-) I think you mean Guy Williams, or maybe Malcolm Mitchell, both
top flight loco builders I am proud to call me friends.

Note I do have some masters to enable production of replacement
cylinder and valve covers in resin of the correct size and number of
bolts. Casting costs for a set (including covering the mould costs)
would end up being in the region of ?2 - ?3. If there is enough
interest I could get some done.
I'm up for a set, please, John.

On the subject of DIY I have convinced my wife that insulating the
roof space of my substantial loft will save on heating costs, as it
will trap any heat lost from the house below. At least I'll now be
warm in the winter and cool in the summer and get more modelling
time.

My substantial loft in a 1948 vintage house has had the 3" joists
doubled, to 6" depth, to carry the chipboard floor (I have quite a
bit of FR Archivery up there as well) and the space between these
joists has been filled with rockwool (fibreglass) insulation. This
has the double benefit of having seriously reduced the heating bill
for the house below and reducing the sounds of my friends and I
tramping about above the family bedrooms!
The tiled and felted roof has been underdrawn with softboard nailed
to the rafters. The architect member of our group was adamant that
NO waterproof membrane should be put behind the softboard and that
the gap under the felt should be left so that air can circulate; for
this reason the softboard does not go all the way to the apex but an
18" wide horizontal ceiling ensures a gap from one side to the other
(it also makes a good foundation for the six neon tubes).
If you impede the airflow there will be problems with condensation
between softboard and the underside of the felt.
The softboard has been painted with white emulsion - a tedious job as
it soaks up paint by the gallon, but it makes a very light 'room'.

The insulation from the house below prevents the 'room' becoming too
warm and the softboard above insulates the 'room'(mostly) from
outside temperatures. I now have a space for a layout that doesn't
suffer the extremes of temperature found in some lofts.

I feel a Narrow Lines article coming on............grrr!

Adrian


 

--- In O-14@..., "adriangrayfr" <adrian@p...> wrote:

:-) I think you mean Guy Williams, or maybe Malcolm Mitchell, both
top flight loco builders I am proud to call me friends.
I meant Guy Williams, but it equally applies to both.

I'm up for a set, please, John.
I'll wait and see if any others want some before getting any made. I
assume as yours is still in the box you're not quite ready for them
yet. Send me a reminder if you have'nt heard from me when you start.

The architect member of our group was adamant that
NO waterproof membrane should be put behind the softboard and that
the gap under the felt should be left so that air can circulate;
My loft floor in my c1988 house has 8x2 joists and no trusses (its why
I wanted the house!) There is currently about 4" insulation under the
chipboard floor. I am supplementing this around the edges to bring it
up to 8" and to trap any heat loss to the middle of the floor. I am
then using a special foil bubble wrap insulation which is designed for
this purpose on the inside of the rafters. This leaves a substantial
air gap between it and the tiles/felt which goes all the way from the
soffit to the ridge. This will leave the area inside the insulation
slightly warmed (due to loss from the 4" insul.) but it will keep out
all the drafts from the soffit gap. Note I also have a velux window
and ventilation from the inside area, and the water tank is still
warmed from below. I'm only 1/4 way through but my wife already says
our bedroom is warmer!

John