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Hi Guys
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I am not sure how many of you guys will have
read the articles about this 009 layout from many years ago, but I appear to
have more time on my hands than is good for me right now, so I though I would
ask on here if any of the following locos have an O14 kit
available.
?
I know some won't, simply because they are
based on commercial 009 locos, but others might, so I though I would ask, the
numbers by the way refer to
the on Stronalacher.
?
No 1 Freelance 0-6-0T?
No 2 Venus - the loco is based on a Fowler
0-4-0 built for the Colonial Sugar Refining Co Ltd in 1880.
No 3 Prince?- based?on the FR
England engines in the latest format with a saddle tank.
No 4 Exe?- based on the L & B loco
in her later
form.?????????????????????????????????????
EDM will have a kit available at some time?
No 5 Prince Charlie?- a model of one of
the G W R built locos for the V o R ??? Didn't some one used to
make a white metal body of this??
No 6 A Baldwin 4-6-0 built for the WW1
trench
railways.????????????????????????????????Didn't
Wrightlines used to make a white metal body of this??
No 7?A model of one of the Darjeeling
Himalayan B
Class??????????????????????????????
Didn't Wrightlines used to make a white metal body of this???
No 8 A model of a Hibberd Planet diesel,
inspired by one from the Ashover.
No 9 An 0-4-4-0 Beyer Garrat based on the
one built for the Darjeeling Himalayan
No 10 Freelance diesel loco
?
Sorry If I have posted this before, but I
cant find the?answers at the moment.
?
Also dose anyone have a current Wrightlines
catalogue if one exists?
?
Regards
?
Colin Rainsbury?
?????
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Colin, ? Fowler 0-4-0, Springside, pretty crude kit FR small England loco, Mercian VoR try Chivers finelines, may be wrong on this, Baldwin, Wrightlines, S/H if you are lucky Darjeeling, EDM Brass and N/S kit ? Frank ?
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Subject: [O14] The Stronalacher Saga? ? I am not sure how many of you guys will have read the articles about this 009 layout from many years ago, but I appear to have more time on my hands than is good for me right now, so I though I would ask on here if any of the following locos have an O14 kit available. I know some won't, simply because they are based on commercial 009 locos, but others might, so I though I would ask, the numbers by the way refer to No 2 Venus - the loco is based on a Fowler 0-4-0 built for the Colonial Sugar Refining Co Ltd in 1880. No 3 Prince?- based?on the FR England engines in the latest format with a saddle tank. No 4 Exe?- based on the L & B loco in her later form.????????????????????????????????????? EDM will have a kit available at some time? No 5 Prince Charlie?- a model of one of the G W R built locos for the V o R ??? Didn't some one used to make a white metal body of this?? No 6 A Baldwin 4-6-0 built for the WW1 trench railways.????????????????????????????????Didn't Wrightlines used to make a white metal body of this?? No 7?A model of one of the Darjeeling Himalayan B Class?????????????????????????????? Didn't Wrightlines used to make a white metal body of this??? No 8 A model of a Hibberd Planet diesel, inspired by one from the Ashover. No 9 An 0-4-4-0 Beyer Garrat based on the one built for the Darjeeling Himalayan No 10 Freelance diesel loco Sorry If I have posted this before, but I cant find the?answers at the moment. Also dose anyone have a current Wrightlines catalogue if one exists?
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Colin, ? I have a few more minutes. ? The Springside Fowler is pretty crude, you'll need to do a lot to it to make something decent. I think it takes a Polly or Smokey Joe chassis. Buy the replacement S J etched version from Branchlines with Romford wheels but no motor or gear box. Buy those from High Level, 108:1 and fit a flywheel.. You can play about with the body knowing that it will run like a dream. ? I'd put the same gearbox in Prince. I've regeared Palmerston from the same kit for a friend, another friend says steam engines cannot run so slow as the steam condenses in the cylinders! ? The Baldwin, if you can get one has a bit of a reputation as a lot of work to get right. I have three part built with HL gearboxes again. ? I have a kit for the Darjeeling, I know two who have built them and both said the body worked fine but the chassis wanted work. If you are a member, you can access an article several years ago by Keith Millard in Narrow Lines, magazine of the 7mm narrow Gauge Association. There's another by me, The Peacock, the Eagle and the Dragon where I mess about with the Branchlines Peacock kit on their Eagle chassis, that has the HL drive, . ? Frank ?
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Subject: [O14] The Stronalacher Saga? ? I am not sure how many of you guys will have read the articles about this 009 layout from many years ago, but I appear to have more time on my hands than is good for me right now, so I though I would ask on here if any of the following locos have an O14 kit available. I know some won't, simply because they are based on commercial 009 locos, but others might, so I though I would ask, the numbers by the way refer to No 2 Venus - the loco is based on a Fowler 0-4-0 built for the Colonial Sugar Refining Co Ltd in 1880. No 3 Prince?- based?on the FR England engines in the latest format with a saddle tank. No 4 Exe?- based on the L & B loco in her later form.????????????????????????????????????? EDM will have a kit available at some time? No 5 Prince Charlie?- a model of one of the G W R built locos for the V o R ??? Didn't some one used to make a white metal body of this?? No 6 A Baldwin 4-6-0 built for the WW1 trench railways.????????????????????????????????Didn't Wrightlines used to make a white metal body of this?? No 7?A model of one of the Darjeeling Himalayan B Class?????????????????????????????? Didn't Wrightlines used to make a white metal body of this??? No 8 A model of a Hibberd Planet diesel, inspired by one from the Ashover. No 9 An 0-4-4-0 Beyer Garrat based on the one built for the Darjeeling Himalayan No 10 Freelance diesel loco Sorry If I have posted this before, but I cant find the?answers at the moment. Also dose anyone have a current Wrightlines catalogue if one exists?
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"I
have a kit for the Darjeeling, I know two who have built them and both
said the body worked fine but the chassis wanted work. If you are a
member, you can access an article several years ago by Keith Millard in
Narrow Lines, magazine of the 7mm narrow Gauge Association."
I didn't think there was a kit for the Darjeeling Garrat, only K1 from Backwoods, although I stand to be corrected. If there is I think I may pass this time.
John
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Thanks Frank for the help.
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I am not a member of the 7mm group yet, the
thing is I do have a large collection of 00n3 stock and kits to build and I am
against selling them all off as it has taken me ages to put the collection
together for a layout I have planned.
?
As for a 7mm layout if I should get around
to building such a layout, it will have to be duel gauge, i.e. 14mm narrow
gauge?and 33mm finescale standard gauge.
?
It would be?set somewhere in
the?Somerset/Devon area, this is so I can run SR/GWR/SDJR stock and a
mixture of L&BR/FR/WW1 stock on the Narrow gauge.
?
I like the idea of using Minffordd as a
basis for the NG and interchange sidings but then for the SG bit I have always
liked Halwill Junction as that had two SR lines, a GWR Branch plus an MOD
Supplies Depot near by (up to the First
WW).????
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Regards
?
Colin
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Colin,
?
I
have a few more minutes.
?
The
Springside Fowler is pretty crude, you'll need to do a lot to it to make
something decent. I think it takes a Polly or Smokey Joe chassis. Buy the
replacement S J etched version from Branchlines with Romford wheels but no
motor or gear box. Buy those from High Level, 108:1 and fit a flywheel.. You
can play about with the body knowing that it will run like a
dream.
?
I'd
put the same gearbox in Prince. I've regeared Palmerston from the same kit for
a friend, another friend says steam engines cannot run so slow as the steam
condenses in the cylinders!
?
The
Baldwin, if you can get one has a bit of a reputation as a lot of work to get
right. I have three part built with HL gearboxes again.
?
I
have a kit for the Darjeeling, I know two who have built them and both said
the body worked fine but the chassis wanted work. If you are a member, you can
access an article several years ago by Keith Millard in Narrow Lines, magazine
of the 7mm narrow Gauge Association. There's another by me, The Peacock, the
Eagle and the Dragon where I mess about with the Branchlines Peacock kit on
their Eagle chassis, that has the HL drive,
.
?
Frank
?
From:
O14@... [mailto:O14@...]
Sent: Monday, 10
October, 2016 11:39
To: O14@...
Subject: [O14]
The Stronalacher Saga
?
?
I am
not sure how many of you guys will have read the articles about this 009
layout from many years ago, but I appear to have more time on my hands than is
good for me right now, so I though I would ask on here if any of the following
locos have an O14 kit available.
I
know some won't, simply because they are based on commercial 009 locos, but
others might, so I though I would ask, the numbers by the way refer to
No 2
Venus - the loco is based on a Fowler 0-4-0 built for the Colonial Sugar
Refining Co Ltd in 1880.
No 3
Prince?- based?on the FR England engines in the latest format with a
saddle tank.
No 4
Exe?- based on the L & B loco in her later
form.?????????????????????????????????????
EDM will have a kit available at some time?
No 5
Prince Charlie?- a model of one of the G W R built locos for the V o R
??? Didn't some one used to make a white metal body of
this??
No 6
A Baldwin 4-6-0 built for the WW1 trench
railways.????????????????????????????????Didn't
Wrightlines used to make a white metal body of
this??
No
7?A model of one of the Darjeeling Himalayan B
Class??????????????????????????????
Didn't Wrightlines used to make a white metal body of this???
No 8
A model of a Hibberd Planet diesel, inspired by one from the
Ashover.
No 9
An 0-4-4-0 Beyer Garrat based on the one built for the Darjeeling Himalayan
No
10 Freelance diesel loco
Sorry If I have posted this
before, but I cant find the?answers at the
moment.
Also
dose anyone have a current Wrightlines catalogue if one exists?
|
John, ? B class, which is I think the 0-4-0. There is/was a Darjeeling Garratt in 4mm I think, I've seen a few round exhibitions though they might be scratch built. ?
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Subject: [O14] Re: The Stronalacher Saga? ? "I have a kit for the Darjeeling, I know two who have built them and both said the body worked fine but the chassis wanted work. If you are a member, you can access an article several years ago by Keith Millard in Narrow Lines, magazine of the 7mm narrow Gauge Association."
I didn't think there was a kit for the Darjeeling Garrat, only K1 from Backwoods, although I stand to be corrected. If there is I think I may pass this time.
John
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Hi Frank you are correct, if you look at the
backwoods 009 page you will see what he does for 009, sadly he told me that he
drew all the art work by hand and due to a flood where he used to live, he lost
the masters.
?
The reason I mention of all of this, is I
have asked him if he could do the 009 range in 014, but he did not appear to be
interested at the time. I am not sure if he got a few enquires would he do
them.?
?
Link
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I understand that he has to now look after
his wife and does not get to that many shows any more, if ever,?he did
mention last year that he is willing to sell off parts of the Backwoods range. I
was interested in one part of his range, but sadly?everything went wrong at
the time at my end, so I could not process with it. I still dont want to see
this range disappear, but the truth of the matter is, it just might do so as
Pete is thinking in terms of semi retirement.?
?
I know he is still designing new kits as the
website will testify, but I think he is looking more at the American market,
which I dont blame him for.
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Regards
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Colin
Rainsbury??????
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John,
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B
class, which is I think the 0-4-0. There is/was a Darjeeling Garratt in 4mm I
think, I've seen a few round exhibitions though they might be scratch
built.
?
From: O14@...
[mailto:O14@...]
Sent: Monday, 10 October, 2016
23:21
To: O14@...
Subject:
[O14] Re: The Stronalacher Saga
?
?
"I have a kit for
the Darjeeling, I know two who have built them and both said the body worked
fine but the chassis wanted work. If you are a member, you can access an
article several years ago by Keith Millard in Narrow Lines, magazine of the
7mm narrow Gauge Association."
I didn't think there was a kit
for the Darjeeling Garrat, only K1 from Backwoods, although I stand to be
corrected. If there is I think I may pass this
time.
John
|
There was a kit actually for the Darjeeling Garratt in 7mm scale?and I have seen the etchings and resin castings, now in the possession of a friend and 7mm NGA member. ?BUT this was, I gather, one of just two test etches and has never been released. ?If
anyone can track ?down its heritage then the possibility remains!!?
Paul?
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Hi Paul
?
I might be wrong in thinking this, but for
me an 014 loco kit will need to have weight, I would guess that if I had a half
decent computer and the Auto Cad programme I would have a go at producing 7mm
drawings to make up brass etched kits and to also make the masters for the 3D
Cad?castings as well.
?
I think 014 has a lot going for it, and if I
had the space then I would consider building a model in this size, One thing
which I am surprised with and that is?the lack of?narrow gauge loco
and rolling stock?Cad drawings which are available (you watch, some one
will come on here now and tell me where I can find them), but why stop
there??as you are half way to getting an etch of that item
done.
?
May be it is just me getting older and
trying to cope with all this new technology.
?
?
Regards
?
Colin
?
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There was a kit actually for the Darjeeling Garratt in 7mm scale?and I
have seen the etchings and resin castings, now in the possession of a friend
and 7mm NGA member. ?BUT this was, I gather, one of just two test etches
and has never been released. ?If anyone can track ?down its heritage
then the possibility remains!!?
Paul?
|
Colin, ? I think you'll find a major difference between a drawing of a loco even in CAD and what is needed for an etched kit. The 7mm Narrow Gauge Association has books of drawings but most predate home CAD systems and were probably done originally by someone to scratch build a model. A lot of the ones published in NG&IRMR are proper works drawings. Both sources need treating with care, in the former case one doesn't know how much information the draughtsman had and in the latter you need to watch what was actually built as opposed to what was designed. All of course, thanks to someone's, efforts far better than nothing at all. ? Nothing like publishing anything for some further information to crawl out of the woodwork and make a fool of you. ? Frank ?
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Subject: Re: [O14] Re: The Stronalacher Saga? ? I might be wrong in thinking this, but for me an 014 loco kit will need to have weight, I would guess that if I had a half decent computer and the Auto Cad programme I would have a go at producing 7mm drawings to make up brass etched kits and to also make the masters for the 3D Cad?castings as well. I think 014 has a lot going for it, and if I had the space then I would consider building a model in this size, One thing which I am surprised with and that is?the lack of?narrow gauge loco and rolling stock?Cad drawings which are available (you watch, some one will come on here now and tell me where I can find them), but why stop there??as you are half way to getting an etch of that item done. May be it is just me getting older and trying to cope with all this new technology. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [O14] Re: The Stronalacher Saga There was a kit actually for the Darjeeling Garratt in 7mm scale?and I have seen the etchings and resin castings, now in the possession of a friend and 7mm NGA member. ?BUT this was, I gather, one of just two test etches and has never been released. ?If anyone can track ?down its heritage then the possibility remains!!? ?
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Very true.
Producing a working CAD drawing that can be turned in to a pattern or an etch takes a bit of doing for 3D parts you need to add shrinkage factors these change depending on the material being used to cast the item.?
For etches you have to flatten the part add bending lines which change depending on thickness of material and the level of distortion you need.?
I have lost count of the number of etches I have ditched and started again with.?
And if you want to just produce a 3D print all parts have interlock or be drawn from a solid as if it's just touching and unioned the printer will see two parts not one.
I produced our first kit in 1999 and I'm still getting things wrong on test etches and you would never know until you build the prototype.
Marc?
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Colin,
?
I think you'll find a major difference between a drawing of a loco even in CAD and what is needed for an etched kit. The 7mm Narrow Gauge Association has books of drawings but most predate home
CAD systems and were probably done originally by someone to scratch build a model. A lot of the ones published in NG&IRMR are proper works drawings. Both sources need treating with care, in the former case one doesn't know how much information the draughtsman
had and in the latter you need to watch what was actually built as opposed to what was designed. All of course, thanks to someone's, efforts far better than nothing at all.
?
Nothing like publishing anything for some further information to crawl out of the woodwork and make a fool of you.
?
Frank
?
?
?
I might be wrong in thinking this, but for me an 014 loco kit will need to have weight, I would guess that if I had a half decent computer and the Auto Cad programme I would have a
go at producing 7mm drawings to make up brass etched kits and to also make the masters for the 3D Cad?castings as well.
I think 014 has a lot going for it, and if I had the space then I would consider building a model in this size, One thing which I am surprised with and that is?the lack of?narrow gauge
loco and rolling stock?Cad drawings which are available (you watch, some one will come on here now and tell me where I can find them), but why stop there??as you are half way to getting an etch of that item done.
May be it is just me getting older and trying to cope with all this new technology.
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Subject: Re: [O14] Re: The Stronalacher Saga
There was a kit actually for the Darjeeling Garratt in 7mm scale?and I have seen the etchings and resin castings, now in the possession of a friend and 7mm NGA member. ?BUT this was, I gather, one of just two test etches and has
never been released. ?If anyone can track ?down its heritage then the possibility remains!!?
?
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From what I have seen and heard, a lot of etchings that have been done in
the past, they have tried to use too thick of a material which means it is very
hard to get folds correct, all of the etching I do is designed to use .4mm.
brass sheet, sometimes after spending countless hours designing the artwork, the
first test etch will reveal some problems, mainly because I got mixed up with
which side some fold points had to be on. Take a look at the photos of a 91
Class SAR loco I am building, and study the steps, one photos shows both sides
of the steps as etched and also what the steps look like after being folded, all
one piece each.
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Brian
Rawbelle
County Workshops
Qld. Aust.
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Very true.
Producing a working CAD drawing that can be turned in
to a pattern or an etch takes a bit of doing for 3D parts you need to add
shrinkage factors these change depending on the material being used to cast the
item.
?
For etches you have to flatten the part add bending
lines which change depending on thickness of material and the level of
distortion you need.
?
I have lost count of the number of etches I have
ditched and started again with.
And if you want to just produce a 3D
print all parts have interlock or be drawn from a solid as if it's just touching
and unioned the printer will see two parts not one.
?
I produced our first kit in 1999 and I'm still
getting things wrong on test etches and you would never know until you build the
prototype.
Marc
?
Colin,
I think
you'll find a major difference between a drawing of a loco even in CAD and
what is needed for an etched kit. The 7mm Narrow Gauge Association has books
of drawings but most predate home CAD systems and were probably done
originally by someone to scratch build a model. A lot of the ones published in
NG&IRMR are proper works drawings. Both sources need treating with care,
in the former case one doesn't know how much information the draughtsman had
and in the latter you need to watch what was actually built as opposed to what
was designed. All of course, thanks to someone's, efforts far better than
nothing at all.
Nothing like
publishing anything for some further information to crawl out of the woodwork
and make a fool of you.
Frank
?
I
might be wrong in thinking this, but for me an 014 loco kit will need to have
weight, I would guess that if I had a half decent computer and the Auto Cad
programme I would have a go at producing 7mm drawings to make up brass etched
kits and to also make the masters for the 3D Cad castings as
well.
I
think 014 has a lot going for it, and if I had the space then I would consider
building a model in this size, One thing which I am surprised with and that is
the lack of narrow gauge loco and rolling stock Cad drawings which are
available (you watch, some one will come on here now and tell me where I can
find them), but why stop there? as you are half way to getting an etch of that
item done.
May
be it is just me getting older and trying to cope with all this new
technology.
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There was a kit actually for the Darjeeling
Garratt in 7mm scale and I have seen the etchings and resin castings, now in
the possession of a friend and 7mm NGA member.? BUT this was, I gather,
one of just two test etches and has never been released.? If anyone can
track? down its heritage then the possibility remains!!
|
?
Thanks Guys
?
We have Expong coming up so I hope to be
able to talk to a few people who are making 3D?prints in 009, I realise
that if making a?brass etch kit was easy we would all be doing them, that
said, I do?take my hat off to you guys who spend your time making these
kits for the rest of us to b***er up, I am not going to promise anything as it
could all change over night so to speak, but the idea behind this thread was to
see if any of the locos I listed where produced in brass for?014, I think I
have the answer is?generally no.
?
That said, I am sure Wrightlines used to do
Prince and the?Darjeeling B tank and we know that EDM will have the
L&BR 2-6-2 kit at some stage, and I think chivers fines lines used to do a
7mm scale Vale of Rheidol 2-6-2 as well, but I am sure the others don't have
kits, so there is a lot of scratch building to do in that
case.?????
?
There is one photo of the 4mm version of
Stronalacher which always makes me go Wow after all this time and the Darjeeling
Garrett with a long slate train on a Wooden trestle bridge, I think that would
look really cool in 014, it was about 5ft in 009, that would be somewhere near
2.6 metres in length in 014.
?
Regards
?
Colin
?
?
?
?
?
????????
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From what I have seen and heard, a lot of etchings that have been done in
the past, they have tried to use too thick of a material which means it is
very hard to get folds correct, all of the etching I do is designed to use
.4mm. brass sheet, sometimes after spending countless hours designing the
artwork, the first test etch will reveal some problems, mainly because I got
mixed up with which side some fold points had to be on. Take a look at the
photos of a 91 Class SAR loco I am building, and study the steps, one photos
shows both sides of the steps as etched and also what the steps look like
after being folded, all one piece each.
<>
?
Brian
Rawbelle
County Workshops
Qld. Aust.
?
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: [O14] Re: The Stronalacher Saga
?
Very true.
Producing a working CAD drawing that can be turned
in to a pattern or an etch takes a bit of doing for 3D parts you need to add
shrinkage factors these change depending on the material being used to cast
the item.
?
For etches you have to flatten the part add bending
lines which change depending on thickness of material and the level of
distortion you need.
?
I have lost count of the number of etches I have
ditched and started again with.
And if you want to just produce a 3D
print all parts have interlock or be drawn from a solid as if it's just
touching and unioned the printer will see two parts not one.
?
I produced our first kit in 1999 and I'm still
getting things wrong on test etches and you would never know until you build
the prototype.
Marc
?
Colin,
I think
you'll find a major difference between a drawing of a loco even in CAD and
what is needed for an etched kit. The 7mm Narrow Gauge Association has books
of drawings but most predate home CAD systems and were probably done
originally by someone to scratch build a model. A lot of the ones published
in NG&IRMR are proper works drawings. Both sources need treating with
care, in the former case one doesn't know how much information the
draughtsman had and in the latter you need to watch what was actually built
as opposed to what was designed. All of course, thanks to someone's, efforts
far better than nothing at all.
Nothing
like publishing anything for some further information to crawl out of the
woodwork and make a fool of you.
Frank
?
I
might be wrong in thinking this, but for me an 014 loco kit will need to
have weight, I would guess that if I had a half decent computer and the Auto
Cad programme I would have a go at producing 7mm drawings to make up brass
etched kits and to also make the masters for the 3D Cad castings as
well.
I
think 014 has a lot going for it, and if I had the space then I would
consider building a model in this size, One thing which I am surprised with
and that is the lack of narrow gauge loco and rolling stock Cad drawings
which are available (you watch, some one will come on here now and tell me
where I can find them), but why stop there? as you are half way to getting
an etch of that item done.
May be it is just me
getting older and trying to cope with all this new
technology.
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Subject:
Re: [O14] Re: The Stronalacher Saga
There was a kit actually for the Darjeeling
Garratt in 7mm scale and I have seen the etchings and resin castings, now
in the possession of a friend and 7mm NGA member.? BUT this was, I
gather, one of just two test etches and has never been released.? If
anyone can track? down its heritage then the possibility remains!!
|
Colin,
Making your own etchings isn’t as hard to do as you may think, the set up
cost for the basic items will cost you about AUD$600 or about 300UK pound, the
hard part is learning to design your own artwork, instead of using CAD I use
Paintshop Pro7 and instead of actually working is a scale I simply use pixels at
72000 resolution each pixel is equal to .1mm. so I can etch components as
accurate as within .1mm.
Anyone who would like to learn how to accurately draw there artwork you can
contact me, I can teach you the basic techniques of how I start to work out how
to establish the fold points etc.
?
Brian
Rawbelle
County Workshops
Qld. Aust.
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Subject: Re: [O14] Re: The Stronalacher Saga
?
?
Thanks Guys
?
We have Expong coming up so I hope to be
able to talk to a few people who are making 3D prints in 009, I realise that if
making a brass etch kit was easy we would all be doing them, that said, I do
take my hat off to you guys who spend your time making these kits for the rest
of us to b***er up, I am not going to promise anything as it could all change
over night so to speak, but the idea behind this thread was to see if any of the
locos I listed where produced in brass for 014, I think I have the answer is
generally no.
?
That said, I am sure Wrightlines used to do
Prince and the Darjeeling B tank and we know that EDM will have the L&BR
2-6-2 kit at some stage, and I think chivers fines lines used to do a 7mm scale
Vale of Rheidol 2-6-2 as well, but I am sure the others don't have kits, so
there is a lot of scratch building to do in that case.????
?
There is one photo of the 4mm version of
Stronalacher which always makes me go Wow after all this time and the Darjeeling
Garrett with a long slate train on a Wooden trestle bridge, I think that would
look really cool in 014, it was about 5ft in 009, that would be somewhere near
2.6 metres in length in 014.
?
Regards
?
Colin
?
?
?
?
?
???????
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Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 9:01
PM
Subject: Re: [O14] Re: The Stronalacher
Saga
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From what I have seen and heard, a lot of etchings that have been done in
the past, they have tried to use too thick of a material which means it is
very hard to get folds correct, all of the etching I do is designed to use
.4mm. brass sheet, sometimes after spending countless hours designing the
artwork, the first test etch will reveal some problems, mainly because I got
mixed up with which side some fold points had to be on. Take a look at the
photos of a 91 Class SAR loco I am building, and study the steps, one photos
shows both sides of the steps as etched and also what the steps look like
after being folded, all one piece each.
<>
?
Brian
Rawbelle
County Workshops
Qld. Aust.
?
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: [O14] Re: The Stronalacher Saga
?
Very true.
Producing a working CAD drawing that can be turned
in to a pattern or an etch takes a bit of doing for 3D parts you need to add
shrinkage factors these change depending on the material being used to cast
the item.
?
For etches you have to flatten the part add bending
lines which change depending on thickness of material and the level of
distortion you need.
?
I have lost count of the number of etches I have
ditched and started again with.
And if you want to just produce a 3D
print all parts have interlock or be drawn from a solid as if it's just
touching and unioned the printer will see two parts not one.
?
I produced our first kit in 1999 and I'm still
getting things wrong on test etches and you would never know until you build
the prototype.
Marc
?
Colin,
I think
you'll find a major difference between a drawing of a loco even in CAD and
what is needed for an etched kit. The 7mm Narrow Gauge Association has books
of drawings but most predate home CAD systems and were probably done
originally by someone to scratch build a model. A lot of the ones published
in NG&IRMR are proper works drawings. Both sources need treating with
care, in the former case one doesn't know how much information the
draughtsman had and in the latter you need to watch what was actually built
as opposed to what was designed. All of course, thanks to someone's, efforts
far better than nothing at all.
Nothing
like publishing anything for some further information to crawl out of the
woodwork and make a fool of you.
Frank
?
I
might be wrong in thinking this, but for me an 014 loco kit will need to
have weight, I would guess that if I had a half decent computer and the Auto
Cad programme I would have a go at producing 7mm drawings to make up brass
etched kits and to also make the masters for the 3D Cad castings as
well.
I
think 014 has a lot going for it, and if I had the space then I would
consider building a model in this size, One thing which I am surprised with
and that is the lack of narrow gauge loco and rolling stock Cad drawings
which are available (you watch, some one will come on here now and tell me
where I can find them), but why stop there? as you are half way to getting
an etch of that item done.
May be it is just me
getting older and trying to cope with all this new
technology.
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-----
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 12:20
PM
Subject:
Re: [O14] Re: The Stronalacher Saga
There was a kit actually for the Darjeeling
Garratt in 7mm scale and I have seen the etchings and resin castings, now
in the possession of a friend and 7mm NGA member.? BUT this was, I
gather, one of just two test etches and has never been released.? If
anyone can track? down its heritage then the possibility remains!!
|
Without wanting to suggest that you are doing anything wrong
Brian, I'd suggest that anyone wanting to learn to produce artwork
for etching avoids using Paintshop Pro or any other bitmap based
software. There are two reasons for this 1) bitmap based drawings
can be difficult to edit, especially scaling and 2) most companies
will refuse to take bitmap artwork for etching now. Brian, I
assume you have a local company you've been using for a while and
as they know your artwork point 2 is slightly less relevant.
For those starting to learn to draw the artwork what you really
want to look at isn't necessarily CAD? (which can be expensive and
difficult to learn) but a vector drawing programme (I use a free
programme called Inkscape: ). The
difference between these two types of programmes is that a bitmap
image just records the colour of each pixel whereas a vector image
is essentially a set of instructions for how to draw the image.
This means that scaling an image becomes easy as you just change
the instructions, and lines etc. remain smooth rather than
becoming jagged as they do in a bitmap. It's also easy to move
parts around as again you just change the instructions so the
starting point for a shape changes (all done through the normal
drawing tool interactions you don't have to worry about the maths
yourself). One of the companies many people in the UK use is PPD
Ltd and they have a set of guides for producing artwork that are a
good starting point for understanding the process:
All this of course only refers to how you produce the drawings,
and so anyone starting out would do well to avail themselves of
Brian's very kind offer to help with basic techniques and issues
like fold points etc. that can easily catch out the unwary.
If you are going to ExpoNG then talking to Stephen on the Narrow
Planet stand might be a good idea as he's been producing etch
artwork for a number of years, not only for name/number plates but
also for their range of kits, as well as custom pieces -- I'm
slightly biased here as I designed their OO9 kit of the 24hp
Hudson-Hunslet diesel loco.
Hope that helps,
Mark
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Colin,
Making your own etchings isn’t as hard to do as you
may think, the set up cost for the basic items will
cost you about AUD$600 or about 300UK pound, the hard
part is learning to design your own artwork, instead
of using CAD I use Paintshop Pro7 and instead of
actually working is a scale I simply use pixels at
72000 resolution each pixel is equal to .1mm. so I can
etch components as accurate as within .1mm.
Anyone who would like to learn how to accurately
draw there artwork you can contact me, I can teach you
the basic techniques of how I start to work out how to
establish the fold points etc.
?
Brian
Rawbelle County Workshops
Qld. Aust.
?
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:32
AM
Subject: Re: [O14] Re: The
Stronalacher Saga
?
?
Thanks Guys
?
We have Expong
coming up so I hope to be able to talk to a few
people who are making 3D prints in 009, I realise
that if making a brass etch kit was easy we would
all be doing them, that said, I do take my hat off
to you guys who spend your time making these kits
for the rest of us to b***er up, I am not going to
promise anything as it could all change over night
so to speak, but the idea behind this thread was
to see if any of the locos I listed where produced
in brass for 014, I think I have the answer is
generally no.
?
That said, I am
sure Wrightlines used to do Prince and the
Darjeeling B tank and we know that EDM will have
the L&BR 2-6-2 kit at some stage, and I think
chivers fines lines used to do a 7mm scale Vale of
Rheidol 2-6-2 as well, but I am sure the others
don't have kits, so there is a lot of scratch
building to do in that case.????
?
There is one photo
of the 4mm version of Stronalacher which always
makes me go Wow after all this time and the
Darjeeling Garrett with a long slate train on a
Wooden trestle bridge, I think that would look
really cool in 014, it was about 5ft in 009, that
would be somewhere near 2.6 metres in length in
014.
?
Regards
?
Colin
?
?
?
?
?
???????
----- Original
Message -----
Sent: Tuesday,
October 11, 2016 9:01 PM
Subject: Re:
[O14] Re: The Stronalacher Saga
?
From what I have seen and heard, a lot of
etchings that have been done in the past, they
have tried to use too thick of a material
which means it is very hard to get folds
correct, all of the etching I do is designed
to use .4mm. brass sheet, sometimes after
spending countless hours designing the
artwork, the first test etch will reveal some
problems, mainly because I got mixed up with
which side some fold points had to be on. Take
a look at the photos of a 91 Class SAR loco I
am building, and study the steps, one photos
shows both sides of the steps as etched and
also what the steps look like after being
folded, all one piece each.
<>
?
Brian
Rawbelle County Workshops
Qld. Aust.
?
Sent: Wednesday, October 12,
2016 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: [O14] Re: The
Stronalacher Saga
?
Very true.
Producing a
working CAD drawing that can be turned in to
a pattern or an etch takes a bit of doing
for 3D parts you need to add shrinkage
factors these change depending on the
material being used to cast the item.
?
For etches you
have to flatten the part add bending lines
which change depending on thickness of
material and the level of distortion you
need.
?
I have lost count
of the number of etches I have ditched and
started again with.
And if you want to just produce a 3D print
all parts have interlock or be drawn from a
solid as if it's just touching and unioned
the printer will see two parts not one.
?
I produced our
first kit in 1999 and I'm still getting
things wrong on test etches and you would
never know until you build the prototype.
Marc
?
Colin,
I think you'll find a
major difference between a drawing
of a loco even in CAD and what is
needed for an etched kit. The 7mm
Narrow Gauge Association has books
of drawings but most predate home
CAD systems and were probably done
originally by someone to scratch
build a model. A lot of the ones
published in NG&IRMR are
proper works drawings. Both
sources need treating with care,
in the former case one doesn't
know how much information the
draughtsman had and in the latter
you need to watch what was
actually built as opposed to what
was designed. All of course,
thanks to someone's, efforts far
better than nothing at all.
Nothing like publishing
anything for some further
information to crawl out of the
woodwork and make a fool of you.
Frank
?
I might
be wrong in thinking this,
but for me an 014 loco kit
will need to have weight,
I would guess that if I
had a half decent computer
and the Auto Cad programme
I would have a go at
producing 7mm drawings to
make up brass etched kits
and to also make the
masters for the 3D Cad
castings as well.
I think
014 has a lot going for
it, and if I had the space
then I would consider
building a model in this
size, One thing which I am
surprised with and that is
the lack of narrow gauge
loco and rolling stock Cad
drawings which are
available (you watch, some
one will come on here now
and tell me where I can
find them), but why stop
there? as you are half way
to getting an etch of that
item done.
May be it
is just me getting older
and trying to cope with
all this new technology.
-----
Original Message -----
Sent:
Tuesday, October 11,
2016 12:20 PM
Subject:
Re: [O14] Re: The
Stronalacher Saga
There was a kit
actually for the
Darjeeling Garratt in
7mm scale and I have
seen the etchings and
resin castings, now in
the possession of a
friend and 7mm NGA
member.? BUT this was, I
gather, one of just two
test etches and has
never been released.? If
anyone can track? down
its heritage then the
possibility remains!!
|
?
Thanks Mark
?
Funnily enough it was Stephen I wanted to
have a chat to, due to various reasons I have not been able to get to any of the
Greenwich meetings of late, but having a chat to him would help the long term
process.
?
I have to admit that I would like to do a
couple of 00n3 locos as well, now I have the?works drawings and photos to
go with them.
?
Regards
?
Colin
?
?
?
?
?
?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 7:04
AM
Subject: Re: [O14] Re: The Stronalacher
Saga
Without wanting to suggest that you are doing anything wrong Brian, I'd
suggest that anyone wanting to learn to produce artwork for etching avoids
using Paintshop Pro or any other bitmap based software. There are two reasons
for this 1) bitmap based drawings can be difficult to edit, especially scaling
and 2) most companies will refuse to take bitmap artwork for etching now.
Brian, I assume you have a local company you've been using for a while and as
they know your artwork point 2 is slightly less relevant.
For those starting to learn to draw the artwork what you really want to
look at isn't necessarily CAD? (which can be expensive and difficult to
learn) but a vector drawing programme (I use a free programme called Inkscape:
). The difference
between these two types of programmes is that a bitmap image just records the
colour of each pixel whereas a vector image is essentially a set of
instructions for how to draw the image. This means that scaling an image
becomes easy as you just change the instructions, and lines etc. remain smooth
rather than becoming jagged as they do in a bitmap. It's also easy to move
parts around as again you just change the instructions so the starting point
for a shape changes (all done through the normal drawing tool interactions you
don't have to worry about the maths yourself). One of the companies many
people in the UK use is PPD Ltd and they have a set of guides for producing
artwork that are a good starting point for understanding the process:
All this of course only refers to how you produce the drawings, and so
anyone starting out would do well to avail themselves of Brian's very kind
offer to help with basic techniques and issues like fold points etc. that can
easily catch out the unwary.
If you are going to ExpoNG then talking to Stephen on the Narrow Planet
stand might be a good idea as he's been producing etch artwork for a number of
years, not only for name/number plates but also for their range of kits, as
well as custom pieces -- I'm slightly biased here as I designed their OO9 kit
of the 24hp Hudson-Hunslet diesel loco.
Hope that helps,
Mark
?
Colin,
Making your own etchings isn’t as hard to do as you may think, the set
up cost for the basic items will cost you about AUD$600 or about 300UK
pound, the hard part is learning to design your own artwork, instead of
using CAD I use Paintshop Pro7 and instead of actually working is a scale I
simply use pixels at 72000 resolution each pixel is equal to .1mm. so I can
etch components as accurate as within .1mm.
Anyone who would like to learn how to accurately draw there artwork you
can contact me, I can teach you the basic techniques of how I start to work
out how to establish the fold points etc.
?
Brian
Rawbelle
County Workshops
Qld. Aust.
?
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: [O14] Re: The Stronalacher Saga
?
?
Thanks Guys
?
We have Expong coming up so I hope to be
able to talk to a few people who are making 3D prints in 009, I realise that
if making a brass etch kit was easy we would all be doing them, that said, I
do take my hat off to you guys who spend your time making these kits for the
rest of us to b***er up, I am not going to promise anything as it could all
change over night so to speak, but the idea behind this thread was to see if
any of the locos I listed where produced in brass for 014, I think I have
the answer is generally no.
?
That said, I am sure Wrightlines used to
do Prince and the Darjeeling B tank and we know that EDM will have the
L&BR 2-6-2 kit at some stage, and I think chivers fines lines used to do
a 7mm scale Vale of Rheidol 2-6-2 as well, but I am sure the others don't
have kits, so there is a lot of scratch building to do in that
case.????
?
There is one photo of the 4mm version of
Stronalacher which always makes me go Wow after all this time and the
Darjeeling Garrett with a long slate train on a Wooden trestle bridge, I
think that would look really cool in 014, it was about 5ft in 009, that
would be somewhere near 2.6 metres in length in 014.
?
Regards
?
Colin
?
?
?
?
?
???????
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 9:01
PM
Subject: Re: [O14] Re: The
Stronalacher Saga
?
From what I have seen and heard, a lot of etchings that have been
done in the past, they have tried to use too thick of a material which
means it is very hard to get folds correct, all of the etching I do is
designed to use .4mm. brass sheet, sometimes after spending countless
hours designing the artwork, the first test etch will reveal some
problems, mainly because I got mixed up with which side some fold points
had to be on. Take a look at the photos of a 91 Class SAR loco I am
building, and study the steps, one photos shows both sides of the steps as
etched and also what the steps look like after being folded, all one piece
each.
<>
?
Brian
Rawbelle
County Workshops
Qld. Aust.
?
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 1:11 AM
Subject: Re: [O14] Re: The Stronalacher Saga
?
Very true.
Producing a working CAD drawing that can be
turned in to a pattern or an etch takes a bit of doing for 3D parts you
need to add shrinkage factors these change depending on the material being
used to cast the item.
?
For etches you have to flatten the part add
bending lines which change depending on thickness of material and the
level of distortion you need.
?
I have lost count of the number of etches I
have ditched and started again with.
And if you want to just
produce a 3D print all parts have interlock or be drawn from a solid as if
it's just touching and unioned the printer will see two parts not
one.
?
I produced our first kit in 1999 and I'm still
getting things wrong on test etches and you would never know until you
build the prototype.
Marc
?
Colin,
I think
you'll find a major difference between a drawing of a loco even in CAD
and what is needed for an etched kit. The 7mm Narrow Gauge Association
has books of drawings but most predate home CAD systems and were
probably done originally by someone to scratch build a model. A lot of
the ones published in NG&IRMR are proper works drawings. Both
sources need treating with care, in the former case one doesn't know how
much information the draughtsman had and in the latter you need to watch
what was actually built as opposed to what was designed. All of course,
thanks to someone's, efforts far better than nothing at
all.
Nothing
like publishing anything for some further information to crawl out of
the woodwork and make a fool of you.
Frank
?
I might be
wrong in thinking this, but for me an 014 loco kit will need to have
weight, I would guess that if I had a half decent computer and the Auto
Cad programme I would have a go at producing 7mm drawings to make up
brass etched kits and to also make the masters for the 3D Cad castings
as well.
I think
014 has a lot going for it, and if I had the space then I would consider
building a model in this size, One thing which I am surprised with and
that is the lack of narrow gauge loco and rolling stock Cad drawings
which are available (you watch, some one will come on here now and tell
me where I can find them), but why stop there? as you are half way to
getting an etch of that item done.
May be it
is just me getting older and trying to cope with all this new
technology.
----- Original
Message -----
Sent:
Tuesday, October 11, 2016 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: [O14] Re: The Stronalacher
Saga
There was a kit actually for the
Darjeeling Garratt in 7mm scale and I have seen the etchings and resin
castings, now in the possession of a friend and 7mm NGA member.?
BUT this was, I gather, one of just two test etches and has never been
released.? If anyone can track? down its heritage then the
possibility remains!!
|
?
That said, I am sure Wrightlines used to do
Prince and the?Darjeeling B tank and we know that EDM will have the
L&BR 2-6-2 kit at some stage, and I think chivers fines lines used to do a
7mm scale Vale of Rheidol 2-6-2 as well, but I am sure the others don't have
kits, so there is a lot of scratch building to do in that
case.?????
Colin,
Sadly, your memory is playing tricks with you, the only part of that which is correct is that EDM will be bringing out the L&B 2-6-2!
Wychbury Loco Works brought out the Ffes England loco which is now sold by Mercian.
The Darj B Class is available through EDM Models, the only other 7mm scale version I know of was a French manufactured kit, others have proposed it but not brought it out.
Wrightlines got to the stage of producing patterns and castings for the VoR tanks but this never got to the stage of being a released kit.
|
You are correct Andrew
?
No sooner than I had posted my reply, than I
looked around the web and found that some of the kits which I though had been
done where in fact figments of my imagination.
?
I will have to have a chat to that nice man
who has all the wrightline moulds to see what can be done and just what kits he
is doing.
?
Just out of interest, but what where
wrightlines called before wrightlines, I am sure they took over another model
manufacture before they started or am I just dreaming that as well?
?
Colin.???
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:27
AM
Subject: Re: [O14] Re: The Stronalacher
Saga
?
That said, I am sure Wrightlines used to
do Prince and the?Darjeeling B tank and we know that EDM will have the
L&BR 2-6-2 kit at some stage, and I think chivers fines lines used to do
a 7mm scale Vale of Rheidol 2-6-2 as well, but I am sure the others don't
have kits, so there is a lot of scratch building to do in that
case.?????
Colin,
Sadly, your memory is playing tricks with you, the only part of that
which is correct is that EDM will be bringing out the L&B 2-6-2!
Wychbury Loco Works brought out the Ffes England loco which is now sold
by Mercian.
The Darj B Class is available through EDM Models, the only other 7mm
scale version I know of was a French manufactured kit, others have proposed it
but not brought it out.
Wrightlines got to the stage of producing patterns and castings for the
VoR tanks but this never got to the stage of being a released kit.
|
Colin
Adrian Swain (Mr Wrightlines) is not at all well at the moment.? He is unable to do any casting and his appearance at ExpoNG is doubtful/unlikely.? Could I respectfully suggest you do not contact him for a while as he is concentrating on far more important things than model railways?? If he is at ExpoNG then talk to him by all means - otherwise I would leave it for two to three months.
As far as I know Wrightlines has always been Wrightlines.? It was started (35 to 40 years ago?) by Russell Wright (hence the logo a double-bassist with the Bournemouth Philharmonic, taken over by Kay Butler and when she retired? Aidrian.? Adrian (the ABS of ABS Castings) always did the mould-making and castings and things have reverted back to him.? Sinilarly, other brands (like IKB and BEC) reverted to ABS once the originators moved on.
Their non-availability leaves many of us frustrated but all we can really do is to wish Aidrian well and hope he gets better as soon as possible.
Hope this helps
David
From: "'Colin Rainsbury' COLINR@... [O14]"
To: O14@...
Sent: Wednesday, 12 October 2016, 13:40
Subject: Re: [O14] Re: The Stronalacher Saga
?
You are correct Andrew
?
No sooner than I had posted my reply, than I
looked around the web and found that some of the kits which I though had been
done where in fact figments of my imagination.
?
I will have to have a chat to that nice man
who has all the wrightline moulds to see what can be done and just what kits he
is doing.
?
Just out of interest, but what where
wrightlines called before wrightlines, I am sure they took over another model
manufacture before they started or am I just dreaming that as well?
?
Colin.???
?
?
?
?
?
?
?
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:27
AM
Subject: Re: [O14] Re: The Stronalacher
Saga
?
That said, I am sure Wrightlines used to
do Prince and the?Darjeeling B tank and we know that EDM will have the
L&BR 2-6-2 kit at some stage, and I think chivers fines lines used to do
a 7mm scale Vale of Rheidol 2-6-2 as well, but I am sure the others don't
have kits, so there is a lot of scratch building to do in that
case.?????
Colin,
Sadly, your memory is playing tricks with you, the only part of that
which is correct is that EDM will be bringing out the L&B 2-6-2!
Wychbury Loco Works brought out the Ffes England loco which is now sold
by Mercian.
The Darj B Class is available through EDM Models, the only other 7mm
scale version I know of was a French manufactured kit, others have proposed it
but not brought it out.
Wrightlines got to the stage of producing patterns and castings for the
VoR tanks but this never got to the stage of being a released kit.
|
Colin, ? IF I've got this correct, some of the Wrightlines kits originated or had masters made by Roy Link, Robin Wright took them over and passed them on later to Kay Butler. I think Robin now trades in 16mm as Wrightscale. Don't quote me, but I think that is (W)right. ? Frank ?
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Sent: Wednesday, 12 October, 2016 13:41
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Subject: Re: [O14] Re: The Stronalacher Saga? ? No sooner than I had posted my reply, than I looked around the web and found that some of the kits which I though had been done where in fact figments of my imagination. I will have to have a chat to that nice man who has all the wrightline moulds to see what can be done and just what kits he is doing. Just out of interest, but what where wrightlines called before wrightlines, I am sure they took over another model manufacture before they started or am I just dreaming that as well? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [O14] Re: The Stronalacher Saga ? That said, I am sure Wrightlines used to do Prince and the?Darjeeling B tank and we know that EDM will have the L&BR 2-6-2 kit at some stage, and I think chivers fines lines used to do a 7mm scale Vale of Rheidol 2-6-2 as well, but I am sure the others don't have kits, so there is a lot of scratch building to do in that case.?????
Colin, Sadly, your memory is playing tricks with you, the only part of that which is correct is that EDM will be bringing out the L&B 2-6-2! Wychbury Loco Works brought out the Ffes England loco which is now sold by Mercian. The Darj B Class is available through EDM Models, the only other 7mm scale version I know of was a French manufactured kit, others have proposed it but not brought it out. Wrightlines got to the stage of producing patterns and castings for the VoR tanks but this never got to the stage of being a released kit.
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Paul Holmes