Re: Quarry Hunslet Book Second Edition
Andrew, ? Thanks, but I already have these. ? To explain, Tryfan was built in 1902. It had a low cab to work tunnels at Moel Tryfan quarry. It had a cab roof as a full half circle rising from the edges of what would have been the top of the cab side sheets on an open cab Hunslet. This is what I assume Roy means by a bread bib roof. ? Cadfan followed in 1904, the roof sprang from the same point but had a flattened top as Andrew's second picture, Tryfan was 6 ft high, I'd guess at Cadfan just over 5ft. ? My concern was that if two years later Cadfan was ordered with a lower roof had Tryfan not fit and was it pruned in Wales. From these pictures it is clear that Tryfan kept its higher roof. ? The quarry is being reworked for 'decorative' slate and the tunnels are no longer accessible. I went to look last Autumn, and fortunately ran into David Gwyn there. He says there were two tunnels at different heights (above sea level). ? Anyway I can (when I get round to it) make up Mercian kits with different cab heights knowing that they ran in the quarry like that. ? Frank ? ?
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Subject: [o14] Quarry Hunslet Book Second Edition Please does anyone have Cliff Thomas's Quarry Hunslet book second edition, 2004 I think? I'm told that it contains a 'poor head on' picture of the two locos with low cabs at Moel Tryfan / Alexandra / Amalgamated Slate. I have the first edition 2001 and it isn't in that. I don't want to try to get a second edition if this picture isn't in.
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Re: Quarry Hunslet Book Second Edition
Do these help
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From: Frank Sharp via Groups.Io <frank.j.sharp@...>
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Subject: [o14] Quarry Hunslet Book Second Edition
Please does anyone have Cliff Thomas's Quarry Hunslet book second edition, 2004 I think? I'm told that it contains a 'poor head on' picture of the two locos with low cabs at Moel Tryfan / Alexandra / Amalgamated Slate. I have the first edition 2001 and it isn't in that.
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I don't want to try to get a second edition if this picture isn't in.
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Frank
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Re: Quarry Hunslet Book Second Edition
Keith, ? There is! I'd looked at the rear of the book where the text refers to the NWNGR, never occurred to look at the front where the text is about the embankment railway. Neither is a 'good' photo but it tells me what I need to know. Tryfan still has its original semicircular cab, it wasn't cut down as low as that on Cadfan. In business! ? Thanks ? Frank ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of keith968150@...
Sent: Friday, 29 June, 2018 16:25
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Subject: Re: [o14] Quarry Hunslet Book Second Edition? Hi,
I think there is a copy of the photo in Boyd's NG Railways of Southern Caernarconshire, Vol 1 - edition published in the 1980s.? Think there's also a couple more of one or other of the locos in there, aside from the works photo.
Keith
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Re: Quarry Hunslet Book Second Edition
Hi,
I think there is a copy of the photo in Boyd's NG Railways of Southern Caernarconshire, Vol 1 - edition published in the 1980s.? Think there's also a couple more of one or other of the locos in there, aside from the works photo.
Keith
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Paul, ? try ? skiptonrailsoc.org.uk/lofthouse_album.htm ? How close are the ex Metropolitan coaches? ? Frank
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Holmes
Sent: Friday, 29 June, 2018 14:42
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Subject: Re: [o14] North Staffs coaches? Thanks David. There is a photo of an inbuilt alphagrafix kit online that I have seen. This does look like a longer version to very similar design so I shall probably get a kit and either use modeller’s license or do the proper thing and graft another few panels onto the end in plastic.?
The carriage looks different from both the Foxfield versions and the 5D stoke ones in that the top of the windows are almost arched, with square bases. Quite unusual.?
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Thanks David. There is a photo of an inbuilt alphagrafix kit online that I have seen. This does look like a longer version to very similar design so I shall probably get a kit and either use modeller’s license or do the proper thing and graft another few panels onto the end in plastic.?
The carriage looks different from both the Foxfield versions and the 5D stoke ones in that the top of the windows are almost arched, with square bases. Quite unusual.?
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Re: Quarry Hunslet Book Second Edition
Thanks Roy, as with Thomas I have only the first edition of Slate Quarry Album. Internet search coming up! ? Frank ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Roy C Link
Sent: Friday, 29 June, 2018 11:04
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Subject: Re: [o14] Quarry Hunslet Book Second Edition? Frank, I’ve just had a quick look at the second edition of Quarry Hunslets of North Wales and the entries for Tryfan and Cadfan just have Hunslet official photos (one each). However, if you reach for your copy of Slate Quarry Album (second edition) you will find a detailed reproduction of the photo you mention of the pair head on - this reproduced from an original print. There is also a photo showing Tryfan with the ‘breadbin’ cab and rubbish wagon tender circa 1920. Both on page 50. ?
Please does anyone have Cliff Thomas's Quarry Hunslet book second edition, 2004 I think? I'm told that it contains a 'poor head on' picture of the two locos with low cabs at Moel Tryfan / Alexandra / Amalgamated Slate. I have the first edition 2001 and it isn't in that. I don't want to try to get a second edition if this picture isn't in. ?
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Re: Quarry Hunslet Book Second Edition
Frank,
I’ve just had a quick look at the second edition of Quarry Hunslets of North Wales and the entries for Tryfan and Cadfan just have Hunslet official photos (one each).
However, if you reach for your copy of Slate Quarry Album (second edition) you will find a detailed reproduction of the photo you mention of the pair head on - this reproduced from an original print. There is also a photo showing Tryfan with the ‘breadbin’ cab and rubbish wagon tender circa 1920. Both on page 50.
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Please does anyone have Cliff Thomas's Quarry Hunslet book second edition, 2004 I think? I'm told that it contains a 'poor head on' picture of the two locos with low cabs at Moel Tryfan / Alexandra / Amalgamated Slate. I have the first edition 2001 and it isn't in that. ? I don't want to try to get a second edition if this picture isn't in. ? Frank
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Hi Frank,
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I have an idea that in the dim and distant past, making allowances for aged
memory, Peco marketed one. The parts looked at first glance as though they were
vac formed plastic but were actually fibre reinforced. I had one myself but
never used it, indeed it may be hiding in one of the boxes of “00” parts that I
have not unpacked since my last house move 20+ years ago!
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Phil T.
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From: Frank Sharp via Groups.Io
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Subject: [o14] Fibre Glass Bridge
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Out
of a junk box at Bakewell show a couple of weeks ago I bought a bridge made from
glass fibre. It might be 4mm, but equally could be for 7mm narrow gauge as the
style, stone with a brick arch is very much NWNGR/WHR.
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Anyone
know the source?
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Frank
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Quarry Hunslet Book Second Edition
Please does anyone have Cliff Thomas's Quarry Hunslet book second edition, 2004 I think? I'm told that it contains a 'poor head on' picture of the two locos with low cabs at Moel Tryfan / Alexandra / Amalgamated Slate. I have the first edition 2001 and it isn't in that. ? I don't want to try to get a second edition if this picture isn't in. ? Frank
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Out of a junk box at Bakewell show a couple of weeks ago I bought a bridge made from glass fibre. It might be 4mm, but equally could be for 7mm narrow gauge as the style, stone with a brick arch is very much NWNGR/WHR. ? Anyone know the source? ? Frank
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Re: 14mm Roller Gauges wanted
Roger, ? If not brass, then presumably some sort of plastic? Will the flangeway guides be strong enough, will you want to solder near it? ? Frank ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Finelines
Sent: Thursday, 28 June, 2018 23:13
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Subject: Re: [o14] 14mm Roller Gauges wanted? Thanks for posting my request on my behalf. Having retired because of my health and being Sharon’s 24/7 carer I’ve been struggling what I want to model for me. It works out that 14mm is a good compromise between my various ideas.?
I have all the bits I need for making track, apart from gauges and Frank is right I have the ability to make some, but it’s just another obstacle. Having a couple of brass ready made ones means I could start tomorrow apart from taking Sharon to the hospital. I think I will draw one and send it to Shapeways (Not brass, it shrinks).?
Roger
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Re: 14mm Roller Gauges wanted
Hi Roger
Good to hear that you are modelling 014, but sorry to hear about the ever increasingly common health problems you are both having to endure.
My modelling is often unconventional and thus over the years I have built layouts in P4 standard gauge, P4 Narrow gauge 014 and now 017.5 and never used a gauge at all. I have just used my trusty digital vernier and slips of card for flangeway gaps. Maybe not ideal, but it would get you going while Shapeways does your printing?
I could be converted though and buy one of yours from Shapeways if they become available.?
Paul?
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Re: 14mm Roller Gauges wanted
Thanks for posting my request on my behalf. Having retired because of my health and being Sharon’s 24/7 carer I’ve been struggling what I want to model for me. It works out that 14mm is a good compromise between my various ideas.?
I have all the bits I need for making track, apart from gauges and Frank is right I have the ability to make some, but it’s just another obstacle. Having a couple of brass ready made ones means I could start tomorrow apart from taking Sharon to the hospital. I think I will draw one and send it to Shapeways (Not brass, it shrinks).?
Roger
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Re: 14mm Roller Gauges wanted
Mike, ? As 14mm gauge standards are effectively narrowed EM then buy C&L EM gauges. Unless they've changed, the 'gauge' is a piece of tubing, the check rail spacing is 'washers' all held on a bolt. Dismantle, shorten gauge tube and reassemble. ? Frank ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of MICHAEL BELLAMY via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, 27 June, 2018 22:16
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Subject: [o14] 14mm Roller Gauges wanted? Over on RMweb, Roger Chivers has asked if anyone has 14mm gauges for sale. It's great that Roger is interested in 14mm - can anyone help him? See here (no need to be registered to read the topic)
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14mm Roller Gauges wanted
Over on RMweb, Roger Chivers has asked if anyone has 14mm gauges for sale.
It's great that Roger is interested in 14mm - can anyone help him?
See here (no need to be registered to read the topic)
Mike
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Thanks George. It does look very similar but is not as long with fewer panels. I suspect the Hulme End one might be a 6 wheeler and theirs four maybe. I can’t see why a North London van should end up on a North Staffs line really, but I don’t know what vans the NSR had. Cheers all. Paul?
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The Furness Railway trust would also be worth contacting as they have a North London full brake that looks identical to yours:
best regards, George!
On ?Wednesday?, ?27? ?June? ?2018? ?15?:?01?:?26? ?CEST, Paul Holmes <heatonwood@...> wrote:
Thanks both. Any idea on diagram numbers to start searching? ?
The Worsley etches are for bogie carriages so too long but the van is a six wheeler. No photos anywhere to help though!?
I will contact the North Staffs Study group and Foxfield next too?
Cheers. Paul?
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Thanks Frank. I'll look up MJT.
David
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David,
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I compensate one axle on anything the length of the Peco L&B van or longer. MJT now do, at my persuasion, an inside bearing rocking axle frame that fits under the floor. They
admit that now they hardly sell any of the old style with much longer legs. I ream out the plain holes and use Gibson small 2mm bearings. Tip, if you do a brake van with veranda put the fixed axle at that end. Otherwise, if you put a white metal guard at one
side the van tends to tip. I have one with guard at one side and three milk churns at the other!
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Outside bearings I accept don't run as freely as pinpoints but it does mean I can couple Kadees without the stock moving.
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Frank ?
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David, ? I compensate one axle on anything the length of the Peco L&B van or longer. MJT now do, at my persuasion, an inside bearing rocking axle frame that fits under the floor. They admit that now they hardly sell any of the old style with much longer legs. I ream out the plain holes and use Gibson small 2mm bearings. Tip, if you do a brake van with veranda put the fixed axle at that end. Otherwise, if you put a white metal guard at one side the van tends to tip. I have one with guard at one side and three milk churns at the other! ? Outside bearings I accept don't run as freely as pinpoints but it does mean I can couple Kadees without the stock moving. ? Frank ?
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