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Re: Ossynths & DCC
--- In O-14@..., "adriangrayfr" <adrian@p...> wrote:
No it was someone else. I am still using the original gearhead motors. quiet of his workshop and at an exhibition, I can assure readers of theI am currently using DC. I keeping reading good reviews about the Ossynths system. However my layout is (or will be) quite large with potential for 2 - 3 locos (steam + diesel) in operation at 2 separate locations - think of Fallgate + Clay Cross on the ALR. This is why I am leaning towards DCC with sound and possibly smoke, but this wont happen for a good while yet. John |
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Re: [O-14] Scale Lumber in 7mm scale?
John Dennis
Grant (and others),
Of course I can - what was I thinking... It's also been pointed out that "standard" 3-ft wheels in 4mm (00 gauge) are 12mm - 21.3" in 7mm scale. That's pretty close to my 21" too.... Thanks all John On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 13:12:34 +1100, "McAdam, Grant" <grant.mcadam@...> wrote: ========================================================== John Dennis jdennis@... Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery Dutton Bay URL: WebX |
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Re: [O-14] 0-14 Standards
McAdam, Grant
(1) Are you actually working to 14mm gauge?
I am planning on it. I have obtained most of the kits produced by Roy Link. I will be leading a focus group on O-14 at the next Australian Narrow Gauge Convention. (2) if so are you using the RCL standard, if not what variation are you using? I plan to use the Roy Link Standards for the track work. (3) What are you modelling? Currently working toward my first layout in O-16.5 using Bachmann equipment with a Western American theme. In O-14 have plans to model a Victorian (Australian) salt works to be followed much later by some Welsh Slate. (4) Are you on DC or DCC or thinking of the latter? Undecided but leaning toward DCC. (5) Be as vague as you choose, but roughly where are you? Ormond (Melbourne), Victoria, Australia (6) If you answered yes to (1), how long have you been modelling in O-14? About 6 years, but only assembling rolling stock kits. Regards, Grant McAdam |
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Re: [O-14] Scale Lumber in 7mm scale?
McAdam, Grant
John,
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If you switch to 7mm you can use HO scale lumber by Mt Albert or Kappler Mill & Lumber. Kappler do an HO 16x4 which is exactly 8x2 in O scale. Kappler can be obtained in Australia from Trains & Tracks (Christmas Every Day). Sorry I cannot help with a source for the wheels, Regards, Grant -----Original Message-----
From: John Dennis [mailto:jdennis@...] Sent: Tuesday, 21 December 2004 8:46 AM To: 7mmAusmodelling@...; 7mmnga@...; O-14@... Subject: [O-14] Scale Lumber in 7mm scale? Please excuse me cross posting to three groups - apologies to those who receive this more than once... I have built myself a (very) small number of narrow gauge goods wagons in 1/4" scale - 2' gauge prototypes modelled in On30. However I remain uncommitted to 1/4" scale, and am contemplating moving to 7mm scale and 14mm gauge to better represent the appearance of the 2' gauge. Whilst at first glance making models to 7mm scale instead of 1/4" sounds easy, I have begun to realise I don't know whether I can source equivalent materials in the larger scale. My wagons have scale sized lumber - about 8 different sizes in the open wagon. For example, the sides and ends have a length each of 8x2 and 6x2 timber, while the decking has 24 planks of the 8x2 dimension (for the 16' total length). This is easy in 1/4" scale, as there are (at least) two manufacturers of scale sized lumber in 1/4" scale. If I need a piece of 8x2, I go to the little pack labeled 8x2 and there it is. Does anybody make scale size lumber in 7mm scale? What do people do when faced with the need for 24 pieces of 7mm scale 8x2? Wheels are another issue. My prototype uses 21" wheels, which are within 1% of HO 36" wheels, and readily available. In 7mm that wheel diameter becomes 12.3mm - any suggestions for 21" wheels in 7mm scale? The passenger car for which I am finalizing drawings now in 1/4" scale is easier. The prototype had 3" wide boards, 90 of them. I can do this in 1/4" by using .060" scribed styrene and am about 3% narrow. That doesn't worry me too much - more important to get the number of boards between each pair of windows correct, I think. Fortunately I can buy "Freight Car Siding" with a groove spacing of 0.067" (1.69mm) which is just as close to the scale dimension of 0.069" (1.75mm). So, the big issue for me seems to be the use of scale sized lumber and 21" wheels. What do the 7mm modellers do for this? John ========================================================== John Dennis jdennis@... Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery Dutton Bay URL: <> WebX <> O-14 Photos area: <> O-14 Files area: <> Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <> click here <> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: <> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: O-14-unsubscribe@... <mailto:O-14-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service <> . |
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Calling Roy Link
CHARLES HANSEN
Roy -
I've been trying to get several publications related to brickworks from you for about four months. Initially you seemed willing to sell these to me, but for the past two months you've been ignoring my emails. Since you're in communication with this group, I thought I'd try an email here. Could you tell me what's going on? Charles Hansen |
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Re: [O-14] 0-14 Standards
Geoffrey Tiller
Hi
As I haven't posed anything to the group yet I thought this Christmas Questionnaire was a good chance to say a bit about what i'm doing. (1) Are you actually working to 14mm gauge? I am starting a small layout in 14mm gauge. This is my first "real" layout. I have been involved in scale model railways for a few years but I have not actually done much modelling so the layout is a small project to start off. The stock is under way with the layout to be started in a month or so's time. (2) if so are you using the RCL standard, if not what variation are you using? I am using the RCL standards. Some members of the local model railway club use O-16.5, i decided that the Peco track was too heavy and so I decided if I was going to build the track I might as well do it to the correct gauge and use finer standards. A case of start as you mean to go on. (3) What are you modelling? The current small layout is going to be a short sand carrying line influenced by the Leighton Buzzard sand industry. I borrowed a few recent copies of the Review and Roy's layout gave me part of the idea. I am also heavily involved in HO scale US outline standard gauge through the local NMRA group and the local club's 009 (too small for my liking!). I also play with 308.4mm/foot scale narrow gauge at Leighton Buzzard. (4) Are you on DC or DCC or thinking of the latter? DC on the narrow gauge, Lenz DCC on the HO. (5) Be as vague as you choose, but roughly where are you? Chelmsford UK (6) If you answered yes to (1), how long have you been modelling in O-14? I bought the full set of jigs back in 1996 and subscribed to the Review for a couple of years, but as noted above I never actually got anything built. University got in the way :-) I will be re- starting a subscription after christmas As with all these things there is no guarantee that anything will actually get finished, it has taken eight years to actually plan a serious layout so it will probably take another eight to finish it. Cheers Geoff Tiller -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.1 - Release Date: 20/12/2004 |
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Scale Lumber in 7mm scale?
John Dennis
Please excuse me cross posting to three groups - apologies to those
who receive this more than once... I have built myself a (very) small number of narrow gauge goods wagons in 1/4" scale - 2' gauge prototypes modelled in On30. However I remain uncommitted to 1/4" scale, and am contemplating moving to 7mm scale and 14mm gauge to better represent the appearance of the 2' gauge. Whilst at first glance making models to 7mm scale instead of 1/4" sounds easy, I have begun to realise I don't know whether I can source equivalent materials in the larger scale. My wagons have scale sized lumber - about 8 different sizes in the open wagon. For example, the sides and ends have a length each of 8x2 and 6x2 timber, while the decking has 24 planks of the 8x2 dimension (for the 16' total length). This is easy in 1/4" scale, as there are (at least) two manufacturers of scale sized lumber in 1/4" scale. If I need a piece of 8x2, I go to the little pack labeled 8x2 and there it is. Does anybody make scale size lumber in 7mm scale? What do people do when faced with the need for 24 pieces of 7mm scale 8x2? Wheels are another issue. My prototype uses 21" wheels, which are within 1% of HO 36" wheels, and readily available. In 7mm that wheel diameter becomes 12.3mm - any suggestions for 21" wheels in 7mm scale? The passenger car for which I am finalizing drawings now in 1/4" scale is easier. The prototype had 3" wide boards, 90 of them. I can do this in 1/4" by using .060" scribed styrene and am about 3% narrow. That doesn't worry me too much - more important to get the number of boards between each pair of windows correct, I think. Fortunately I can buy "Freight Car Siding" with a groove spacing of 0.067" (1.69mm) which is just as close to the scale dimension of 0.069" (1.75mm). So, the big issue for me seems to be the use of scale sized lumber and 21" wheels. What do the 7mm modellers do for this? John ========================================================== John Dennis jdennis@... Melbourne,Australia Home of the HOn30 Dutton Bay Tramway and the Australian Narrow Gauge Web-Exhibition Gallery Dutton Bay URL: WebX |
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Re: 0-14 Standards
adriangrayfr
--- In O-14@..., "Frank Sharp" <Frank.J.Sharp@t...> wrote:
Yes. (2) if so are you using the RCL standard, if not what variation areyou using? When I started thinking about this, in about 1984, there were no standards published. An engineer friend and I were then modelling in Scalefour - though he had previously dabbled in 16mm NG. Dave knew I wasn't really happy doing S4 SG because my heart was in the Festiniog, but neither of us could get S$ NG to work to our satisfaction. (Paul Holmes - Borth-y-gest - has now shown us that we gave up too soon!) To make my mind up for me Dave turned up a set of gauges for 14mm gauge - I think he worked to EM standards as I would be using Gibson EM wheels. When I can, after Christmas, I'll unearth them and have a measuring session. (3) What are you modelling?Festiniog, what else?!! However, as Frank will attest, I'm sometimes distracted by the Welshpool (on 16.5mm) and my models of K1 and the WHR's NGG16 don't really fit the c.1924 date for my proposed model of Tan-y-bwlch! ======== Steve Holland wrote of modelling at 308mm/ft. I do some of that, too, volunteering at the Festiniog's Boston Lodge (4) Are you on DC or DCC or thinking of the latter?Good old analogue. (5) Be as vague as you choose, but roughly where are you?Sat in front of my confuser, of course, wasting modelling time :-) At home, near Silverstone, Northamptonshire, UK. ======== Roy asked where else he could go to the supermarket and see the NG? As it happens, in Leighton Buzzard, not far from here but, d'you know, I hardly ever visit the place, shame really as it is an interesting little line - and they have a Baldwin there, too! (though the frames are currently with Alan Keef). Adrian |
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Re: Ossynths & DCC
adriangrayfr
--- In O-14@..., Roy Link <royclink@n...> wrote:
In response to Mr Clutterbuck's query regarding the Ossynths soundI think John has replaced the lovely coreless, gearhead, motors in his K1 with Mashimas - bet he wishes he hadn't now! :-) (Sorry John) The sound provided by both the IC and steam systems is superior in every way to that provided by DCC, which, as the soundchip is in the loco, does not benefit from the auxiliary speakers, northe powerful output Otto has cleverly contrived. As far as I am aware,I know of offers 'wheel and rolling stock' sound options either.Hearing a loco running 'light engine' rumbling over light rails, buffing upto a train, then the whole moving off with the clatter of skips orgroan of timber wagons is a treat DCC owners can only dream of.where multiple train movements are required. This aspect is of lessis 'in steam' as a matter of course. I know Otto can make systems thatwith either UK, European or US narrow gauge steam.Having listened to the sound system Roy refers to, both in the quiet of his workshop and at an exhibition, I can assure readers of the excellent quality of the Ossynths sound. The variation in i/c engine notes may sound wierd but it is very distinctive and the 'background noises' are particularly effective. Adrian |
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Re: [O-14] WHR Baldwin
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From: Stephen Holland [mailto:stephen@...] Sent: 20 December 2004 20:55 To: O-14@... Subject: [O-14] WHR Baldwin I have posted a folder of "under construction" photos of my Wrightlines Baldwin slowly being finished as 590 from the WHR- follow the link: Steve I've always said that I don't like the Baldwins, but you might be converting me. I've some pictures of the new 590 in bits at the WHR, unfortunately its so far in bits they wouldn't help you. I've just assembled the chassis block and engine cover for my lister this afternoon. I've an idea on DCC chipping it, I'll report later. Frank |
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WHR Baldwin
Stephen Holland
I have posted a folder of "under construction" photos of my Wrightlines Baldwin slowly being finished as 590 from the WHR- follow the link:
I am ashamed to admit that the receipt in the kit's box revealed that I bought it in 1994! Slow worker or what? I will finish it one day Roy, honest! Regards Steve |
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Re: [O-14] 0-14 Standards
Stephen Holland
Here's what I am up to, work permitting:
(1) Are you actually working to 14mm gauge? Yes, but I also get distracted by Bachmann On30 and 16mm finescale (2 rail electric, not live steam high speed caricatures). Also working to 1432mm gauge, 304.8mm/ft, but that pays the bills and gets in the way of hobbies:-) (2) if so are you using the RCL standard, if not what variation are you using? Using Roy's standards. (3) What are you modelling? Ffestiniog and Welsh Highland with industrial thrown in for good measure - that and On30 plus the 16mm scale probably explains why I have not finished a layout yet! (4) Are you on DC or DCC or thinking of the latter? DC - can't see how a decoder would go in a Lister, although it would be no problem in the FR stuff. I have no plans to play with DCC in the near future though. (5) Be as vague as you choose, but roughly where are you? Sutton Coldfield, Birmingham UK (that should upset some of the locals who think Sutton should declare "UDI" from Brum) (6) If you answered yes to (1), how long have you been modelling in O-14? Ever since Roy Link introduced his range of kits. Regards Steve |
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Re: 0-14 Standards
Peter Whitehead
(1) Are you actually working to 14mm gauge?
No not yet, have one 16.5 loco and four items of rolling stock, I have a plan but no layout yet. (2) if so are you using the RCL standard, if not what variation are you using? Intend using RCL standards. (3) What are you modelling? Initially a quarry, then something Festiniog like. (4) Are you on DC or DCC or thinking of the latter? No (5) Be as vague as you choose, but roughly where are you? Essex, Thames Estury (6) If you answered yes to (1), how long have you been modelling in O-14? N/A Peter Whitehead |
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Re: [O-14] 0-14 Standards
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From: Frank Sharp [mailto:Frank.J.Sharp@...] Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 12:48 PM To: O-14@... Subject: [O-14] 0-14 Standards Now that John has raised the issue and Roy has kindly added a PDF file of 14mm track and wheel standards, how many of us are working to these, and if not what variations are in use? I ask because we are a relatively small band, and widely spread, but some of us might meet someday and it would be handy to be able to run on other members layouts should the possibility ever arise. Please may I make it clear that I am not for one moment suggesting that these standards should be mandatory on any of us. If you are modelling narrow gauge, let alone on 14mm, you have already shown you can think away from the crowd, so your track standards are your own business. Mark, as it is your site may I suggest that perhaps over Christmas we could run a bit of a survey, I will suggest some questions, but say up to Christmas Eve we add or change the questions, and then 'fill in the answers' over Christmas. If nothing else if anyone has a problem they might know who to ask, this being one of the benefits of being in any group. (1) Are you actually working to 14mm gauge? When I do any yes (2) if so are you using the RCL standard, if not what variation are you using RCL/EM (3) What are you modelling Lakes slate (well Welsh but with a different location) (4) Are you on DC or DCC or thinking of the latter AC but with rectifier :?) (5) Be as vague as you choose, but roughly where are you UK Are we up for this? Frank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> O-14 Photos area: O-14 Files area: Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.0 - Release Date: 17/12/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.0 - Release Date: 17/12/2004 |
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Re: [O-14] 0-14 Standards
Frank Sharp
As I suggested this, and though I had intended it to be the 'Christmas
Quiz' (or inQUIZition) I had better add my answers (1) Are you actually working to 14mm gauge? Yes, just finished converting the last 16.5 locos and rolling stock this summer, I have a plan but no layout yet (2) if so are you using the RCL standard, if not what variation are you using? Intend using RCL standards, having originally devised my own, as RCL but with a slightly narrower flangeway (3) What are you modelling? Basically Festiniog, say mid 1930's, but on the assumptions that the slate industry was still as active as it had been in the late 1800's and that Colonel Stephens and 'Kentish Green' had never heard of Portmadoc. In addition there will be a lot of vehicles and buildings which I like from other parts of the North Wales slate industry (4) Are you on DC or DCC or thinking of the latter? Using the Austrian Zimo DCC system. It will allow a certain amount of automatic train control if I can afford the modules. I am having to use some ZTC and Digitrax chips because they are smaller. These however will not respond to the Zimo signal control system, so in small local shunters only. If it hasn't got lamp irons it cannot go on the main line, that is it hasn't a Zimo chip (5) Be as vague as you choose, but roughly where are you? God's own county of Yorkshire (6) If you answered yes to (1), how long have you been modelling in O-14? Started the conversion a couple of years ago, also modelling GWR 0 Gauge, when and if I get time. |
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Re: [O-14] 0-14 Standards
Vincent Bradley
Hi, here are my answers
(1) Are you actually working to 14mm gauge? Yes (although progress is slow) (2) if so are you using the RCL standard, if not what variation are you using? Using RCL standards and NMRA On3 standards (3) What are you modelling? Sand extraction in Leighton Buzzard area (4) Are you on DC or DCC or thinking of the latter? DC, considering DCC in the near future, probably Lenz. Looked at Bachmann and it is too bulky to hold comfortably. (5) Be as vague as you choose, but roughly where are you? (I suppose you mean geographically) Cincinnati Ohio, USA (6) If you answered yes to (1), how long have you been modelling in O-14? About 3 months Vincent Bradley -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.0 - Release Date: 12/17/04 |
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Re: [O-14] 0-14 Standards
Roy Link
Gentlemen, for your interest:
(1) Are you actually working to 14mm gauge? (2) if so are you using the RCL standard, if not what variation are Has anyone considered using modified NMRA 'Sn3' standards? Sn3 track (3) What are you modelling? (4) Are you on DC or DCC or thinking of the latter? (5) Be as vague as you choose, but roughly where are you? (6) If you answered yes to (1), how long have you been modelling inRoy Link |
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Re: Ossynths & DCC
Roy Link
In response to Mr Clutterbuck's query regarding the Ossynths sound system and DCC I can confirm that the two are mutually incompatible.
The Ossynths unit puts out pure DC (so you need locos with coreless motors). The sound provided by both the IC and steam systems is superior in every way to that provided by DCC, which, as the sound chip is in the loco, does not benefit from the auxiliary speakers, nor the powerful output Otto has cleverly contrived. As far as I am aware, Otto's diesel system is the only one to offer 'diesel mechanical' sound, with a choice of 1, 2, 3 or 4 cylinder units. No DCC system I know of offers 'wheel and rolling stock' sound options either. Hearing a loco running 'light engine' rumbling over light rails, buffing up to a train, then the whole moving off with the clatter of skips or groan of timber wagons is a treat DCC owners can only dream of. DCC though, does have benefits, particularly with large systems, where multiple train movements are required. This aspect is of less importance for narrow gauge operations where often, only one loco is 'in steam' as a matter of course. I know Otto can make systems that cope with more than one loco, my own diesel system provides 2 or 3 cylinder modes (for a Ruston LAT & LBT). My steam system will cope with either UK, European or US narrow gauge steam. Roy |
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Re: 0-14 Standards
narolines
OK, here's my two-penn'orth:
(1) Are you actually working to 14mm gauge?Yes, among other projects. (2) if so are you using the RCL standard, if not what variationare you usingCommon or garden OO finescale, I'm afraid! (3) What are you modellingNWNGR (4) Are you on DC or DCC or thinking of the latterDC - DCC looks tempting, but I just haven't got the time or funds to undertake the changeover. (5) Be as vague as you choose, but roughly where are youWest Midlands, UK Graham |
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Re: 0-14 Standards
narolines
OK, here's my 2-penn'orth:
Yes, among other projects (2) if so are you using the RCL standard, if not what variationare you using |
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