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Re: Point blade planing
Hi Steve
There doesn't seem to be any hard and fast rule. Whenever I see a railway or photos I'll always study the pointwork. It?seems to be on older or simpler railways both the blades and stock rails were planed with the main feature being the original rail feet are at the same level and some more modern lines have the blades planed so they fit on top of an unplaned stock rail foot as you suggest. This requires both long blades and very sophisticated planing of the sides and top of the blade rail, and sometimes special sections of rail. Have a look at Wenz Modelbau website for German examples of such blades. I should add that planing both is probably easier - and the inner side of the blade should be planed first. John |
Re: Point blade planing
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John's articles are under the Review Extras section of the Narrow Gauge and Industrial web site:
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of David Hughes <formerchurchwarden@...>
Sent: Sunday, August 9, 2020 9:21:21 PM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [o14] Point blade planing ?
Steve,
John Clutterbuck wrote in Review 63 that the outer rail 'may' have also been planed, the blade retaining its foot so that the tie bar had something to fix to. John's set of articles (parts 2 and 3 in Review 64 and 65 dealt with model construction) used to be
available as a free-standing download on this group, but I must admit I can't find it or the link fails. Hopefully John will see your query and give you a more definitive answer.
David
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of stephen howe via groups.io <stephenjhowe@...>
Sent: 09 August 2020 17:28 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [o14] Point blade planing ?
I very much enjoyed reading Trevor Hughes' account in NG&IRMR 123, of making track for his new Pendre layout. One query I have, which is totally down to my ignorance of the subtleties of narrow gauge track, concerns how the point blades are machined to
fit against the stock rail. I have recently finished the track on a P4 light railway (standard gauge) using Code 60 flat bottom rail. My researches suggested that the foot of the stockrail was left intact and the outer foot of the point blade was machined
at an angle to ride onto the foot which supported it. The inner foot of the switch being left intact. Prior to this project, and in my limited experience of 7mm NG flat bottom track making, using Karlgarin rail, I had filed away the foot of the stockrail as
Trevor has done, to make a notch to accommodate the switch, although I later read that this was not 'prototypical' as it weakened the stockrail. However knowing Trevor will have gone to great pains to get the track correct, and studying the prototype photos
in the article confirms that the stock rail did indeed have its foot cut away to make a seating for the toe of the switch blade.
Is there any hard and fast rule to this? or did it depend on the individual railway company's Chief Engineer?! Steve |
Re: Point blade planing
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Steve,
John Clutterbuck wrote in Review 63 that the outer rail 'may' have also been planed, the blade retaining its foot so that the tie bar had something to fix to. John's set of articles (parts 2 and 3 in Review 64 and 65 dealt with model construction) used to be
available as a free-standing download on this group, but I must admit I can't find it or the link fails. Hopefully John will see your query and give you a more definitive answer.
David
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of stephen howe via groups.io <stephenjhowe@...>
Sent: 09 August 2020 17:28 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [o14] Point blade planing ?
I very much enjoyed reading Trevor Hughes' account in NG&IRMR 123, of making track for his new Pendre layout. One query I have, which is totally down to my ignorance of the subtleties of narrow gauge track, concerns how the point blades are machined to
fit against the stock rail. I have recently finished the track on a P4 light railway (standard gauge) using Code 60 flat bottom rail. My researches suggested that the foot of the stockrail was left intact and the outer foot of the point blade was machined
at an angle to ride onto the foot which supported it. The inner foot of the switch being left intact. Prior to this project, and in my limited experience of 7mm NG flat bottom track making, using Karlgarin rail, I had filed away the foot of the stockrail as
Trevor has done, to make a notch to accommodate the switch, although I later read that this was not 'prototypical' as it weakened the stockrail. However knowing Trevor will have gone to great pains to get the track correct, and studying the prototype photos
in the article confirms that the stock rail did indeed have its foot cut away to make a seating for the toe of the switch blade.
Is there any hard and fast rule to this? or did it depend on the individual railway company's Chief Engineer?! Steve |
Point blade planing
I very much enjoyed reading Trevor Hughes' account in NG&IRMR 123, of making track for his new Pendre layout. One query I have, which is totally down to my ignorance of the subtleties of narrow gauge track, concerns how the point blades are machined to fit against the stock rail. I have recently finished the track on a P4 light railway (standard gauge) using Code 60 flat bottom rail. My researches suggested that the foot of the stockrail was left intact and the outer foot of the point blade was machined at an angle to ride onto the foot which supported it. The inner foot of the switch being left intact. Prior to this project, and in my limited experience of 7mm NG flat bottom track making, using Karlgarin rail, I had filed away the foot of the stockrail as Trevor has done, to make a notch to accommodate the switch, although I later read that this was not 'prototypical' as it weakened the stockrail. However knowing Trevor will have gone to great pains to get the track correct, and studying the prototype photos in the article confirms that the stock rail did indeed have its foot cut away to make a seating for the toe of the switch blade.
Is there any hard and fast rule to this? or did it depend on the individual railway company's Chief Engineer?! Steve |
Crowsnest Chronicles
As REVIEW readers will know Roy C Link's superb new book on his lifetime long project to model a little known mineral railway is now available from NG&I. In summary a fascinating look into the work of one of the world's best narrow gauge modellers - full of inspiration, techniques and modelling insights. Full details here:? John |
Re: Roy Link/KBscale Lister and DCC
Thanks for the info Kevin. I was originally looking for a CT Elektronik
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decoder, being the smallest available but nobody in the UK appears to be stocking them any longer and when I posted a question on The NGRM Online forum, I was advised to avoid them and most recommended Zimo. I ordered a MX616 which arrived today so we'll see how I get on over the weekend! Regards Phil -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kevin Staddon via groups.io Sent: 10 July 2020 12:22 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [o14] Roy Link/KBscale Lister and DCC Model Railway Journal 278 has an article on chipping a 2mm class 11 shunter (LMS 08 lookalike) with stay alive.Looks like he used chips by CT Elektronik of Austria.. Perhaps worth a read. Kev S |
Re: Roy Link/KBscale Lister and DCC
开云体育Thanks again Frank for the info and tips. I am waiting for the Zimo decoder to arrive and then I’ll decide where best to fit it. In the meantime I’ll isolate the pickup from the chassis just to be doubly sure. ? Regards Phil ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frank Sharp via groups.io
Sent: 09 July 2020 20:12 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [o14] Roy Link/KBscale Lister and DCC ? Long time ago now Phil and the loco has since been converted to OO. That's a job trying to get clearance. I'm fairly sure it is pickup one side only, it doesn't matter if the motor body is live, the brushes are isolated in the motor housing. You must however feed the brushes with the grey and orange wires and ensure that brushes have no direct connection to pick up or chassis. In the early days of DCC there was a lot of rubbish talked about having to isolate the motor. You don't, but you do have to isolate the brushes. I remember folk trying o isolate an entire XO4 in a Triang chassis when all it needed was the other brush insulating, a sleeve on the spring. ? Shorting, a wheel touching where it shouldn't is a different thing. On say an old Hammant and Morgan if you got an intermittent short the loco might hesitate but the cutout took so long to react you were past it. Because you have full power to the rack, maybe 5 amps, DCC cutouts operate much faster and the loco will stop. I prefer an all dead chassis but only insist on it if there are pony trucks. You've made me think. The couplings are Kadee, the long reach ones with the normal pivot cut off and pivoted on a piece of wire through a hole drilled in the coupler shaft. I'm fairly sure the coupling shaft is plastic, not sure you can still get them. It is Kadee not a plastic clone. ? The chip was Digitrax, the smallest I could find at the time DC123? It had functions and I toyed with light piping a glowing cigarette but decided not to push my luck. ? I can remember struggling to assemble the castings of the frames, as you got it hot enough to solder one piece the previous one fell off. I have a friend who is a silversmith and I adopted her method. Clean it all up, assemble it on a piece of Scamulex (mica I think) block with map pins, put short lengths of solder where needed, drowned in Baker's No 3 flux and played a gas torch over it. Complete frame set in 5 seconds! ? FRank ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of toones4 ? Thanks for the info Frank, I remember seeing photos of your Lister a few years ago.? Can I ask, did you fit the pickups as the kit instructions, with one on a pcb pad and the other soldered direct to the chassis or did you isolate both from the chassis?? I believe that as I am using metal Greenwich couplings if I have a live chassis it could cause shorting problems if it contacted another loco with a chassis live to the other rail. Or am I imagining this as electrics/electronics is not my strongest point?? Regards Phil ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frank Sharp via groups.io ? Phil, ? I milled out the centre of the chassis under the gearbox to a point where I was just NOT catching the layshaft. I then cut away some of the underside of the gearbox. I was using a very small N gauge chip. Chips have got even smaller and if you have a burley driver I think you'd get the chip in him. Wires down the legs. Maybe a sack over the shoulders to keep off the rain. I've long gone back to DC as my friends cannot remember the chip number but do understand switches. I'm on modified Kadees but someone said he'd put one in the end of the chassis, he was on link couplings. Incidentally if you can still get one a Mashima 1015 will fit if you trim the plastic. ? Frank ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of toones4 ? Hope everyone is well and keeping safe.? I have a part built Roy Link Lister kit which I wish to fit for DCC?and am hoping someone may be able to offer advice on a couple of points.?Firstly?one of the motor brushes is grounded to the motor frame and picks up direct through the chassis.? I realise that the brush needs electrically isolating but I am wondering whether?I can just break the connection between brush and chassis or should I also isolate the pickup from the chassis to reduce the risk of any shorts???Being new to DCC and also not very electronically minded I hope I have explained myself sufficiently.? I am particularly wary of blowing up ?32 worth of decoder on my first attempt at fitting!? Secondly, has anyone on here fitted a decoder to the Lister and if so, where? I am looking either at one side between the axles, chassis and frames, reducing the chassis at one end and fitting it behind the buffer beam or building the kit with the canopy and hiding the decoder in the roof.? Any help, suggestions etc. would be gratefully received. |
Re: Roy Link/KBscale Lister and DCC
开云体育Long time ago now Phil and the loco has since been converted to OO. That's a job trying to get clearance. I'm fairly sure it is pickup one side only, it doesn't matter if the motor body is live, the brushes are isolated in the motor housing. You must however feed the brushes with the grey and orange wires and ensure that brushes have no direct connection to pick up or chassis. In the early days of DCC there was a lot of rubbish talked about having to isolate the motor. You don't, but you do have to isolate the brushes. I remember folk trying o isolate an entire XO4 in a Triang chassis when all it needed was the other brush insulating, a sleeve on the spring. ? Shorting, a wheel touching where it shouldn't is a different thing. On say an old Hammant and Morgan if you got an intermittent short the loco might hesitate but the cutout took so long to react you were past it. Because you have full power to the rack, maybe 5 amps, DCC cutouts operate much faster and the loco will stop. I prefer an all dead chassis but only insist on it if there are pony trucks. You've made me think. The couplings are Kadee, the long reach ones with the normal pivot cut off and pivoted on a piece of wire through a hole drilled in the coupler shaft. I'm fairly sure the coupling shaft is plastic, not sure you can still get them. It is Kadee not a plastic clone. ? The chip was Digitrax, the smallest I could find at the time DC123? It had functions and I toyed with light piping a glowing cigarette but decided not to push my luck. ? I can remember struggling to assemble the castings of the frames, as you got it hot enough to solder one piece the previous one fell off. I have a friend who is a silversmith and I adopted her method. Clean it all up, assemble it on a piece of Scamulex (mica I think) block with map pins, put short lengths of solder where needed, drowned in Baker's No 3 flux and played a gas torch over it. Complete frame set in 5 seconds! ? FRank ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of toones4
Sent: Thursday, 9 July, 2020 18:40 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [o14] Roy Link/KBscale Lister and DCC ? Thanks for the info Frank, I remember seeing photos of your Lister a few years ago.? Can I ask, did you fit the pickups as the kit instructions, with one on a pcb pad and the other soldered direct to the chassis or did you isolate both from the chassis?? I believe that as I am using metal Greenwich couplings if I have a live chassis it could cause shorting problems if it contacted another loco with a chassis live to the other rail. Or am I imagining this as electrics/electronics is not my strongest point?? Regards Phil ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frank Sharp via groups.io ? Phil, ? I milled out the centre of the chassis under the gearbox to a point where I was just NOT catching the layshaft. I then cut away some of the underside of the gearbox. I was using a very small N gauge chip. Chips have got even smaller and if you have a burley driver I think you'd get the chip in him. Wires down the legs. Maybe a sack over the shoulders to keep off the rain. I've long gone back to DC as my friends cannot remember the chip number but do understand switches. I'm on modified Kadees but someone said he'd put one in the end of the chassis, he was on link couplings. Incidentally if you can still get one a Mashima 1015 will fit if you trim the plastic. ? Frank ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of toones4 ? Hope everyone is well and keeping safe.? I have a part built Roy Link Lister kit which I wish to fit for DCC?and am hoping someone may be able to offer advice on a couple of points.?Firstly?one of the motor brushes is grounded to the motor frame and picks up direct through the chassis.? I realise that the brush needs electrically isolating but I am wondering whether?I can just break the connection between brush and chassis or should I also isolate the pickup from the chassis to reduce the risk of any shorts???Being new to DCC and also not very electronically minded I hope I have explained myself sufficiently.? I am particularly wary of blowing up ?32 worth of decoder on my first attempt at fitting!? Secondly, has anyone on here fitted a decoder to the Lister and if so, where? I am looking either at one side between the axles, chassis and frames, reducing the chassis at one end and fitting it behind the buffer beam or building the kit with the canopy and hiding the decoder in the roof.? Any help, suggestions etc. would be gratefully received. |
Re: Roy Link/KBscale Lister and DCC
开云体育Thanks for the info Frank, I remember seeing photos of your Lister a few years ago.? Can I ask, did you fit the pickups as the kit instructions, with one on a pcb pad and the other soldered direct to the chassis or did you isolate both from the chassis?? I believe that as I am using metal Greenwich couplings if I have a live chassis it could cause shorting problems if it contacted another loco with a chassis live to the other rail. Or am I imagining this as electrics/electronics is not my strongest point?? Regards Phil ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Frank Sharp via groups.io
Sent: 09 July 2020 18:13 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [o14] Roy Link/KBscale Lister and DCC ? Phil, ? I milled out the centre of the chassis under the gearbox to a point where I was just NOT catching the layshaft. I then cut away some of the underside of the gearbox. I was using a very small N gauge chip. Chips have got even smaller and if you have a burley driver I think you'd get the chip in him. Wires down the legs. Maybe a sack over the shoulders to keep off the rain. I've long gone back to DC as my friends cannot remember the chip number but do understand switches. I'm on modified Kadees but someone said he'd put one in the end of the chassis, he was on link couplings. Incidentally if you can still get one a Mashima 1015 will fit if you trim the plastic. ? Frank ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of toones4 ? Hope everyone is well and keeping safe.? I have a part built Roy Link Lister kit which I wish to fit for DCC?and am hoping someone may be able to offer advice on a couple of points.?Firstly?one of the motor brushes is grounded to the motor frame and picks up direct through the chassis.? I realise that the brush needs electrically isolating but I am wondering whether?I can just break the connection between brush and chassis or should I also isolate the pickup from the chassis to reduce the risk of any shorts???Being new to DCC and also not very electronically minded I hope I have explained myself sufficiently.? I am particularly wary of blowing up ?32 worth of decoder on my first attempt at fitting!? Secondly, has anyone on here fitted a decoder to the Lister and if so, where? I am looking either at one side between the axles, chassis and frames, reducing the chassis at one end and fitting it behind the buffer beam or building the kit with the canopy and hiding the decoder in the roof.? Any help, suggestions etc. would be gratefully received. |
Re: Roy Link/KBscale Lister and DCC
开云体育Phil, ? I milled out the centre of the chassis under the gearbox to a point where I was just NOT catching the layshaft. I then cut away some of the underside of the gearbox. I was using a very small N gauge chip. Chips have got even smaller and if you have a burley driver I think you'd get the chip in him. Wires down the legs. Maybe a sack over the shoulders to keep off the rain. I've long gone back to DC as my friends cannot remember the chip number but do understand switches. I'm on modified Kadees but someone said he'd put one in the end of the chassis, he was on link couplings. Incidentally if you can still get one a Mashima 1015 will fit if you trim the plastic. ? Frank ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of toones4
Sent: Thursday, 9 July, 2020 16:57 To: [email protected] Subject: [o14] Roy Link/KBscale Lister and DCC ? Hope everyone is well and keeping safe.? I have a part built Roy Link Lister kit which I wish to fit for DCC?and am hoping someone may be able to offer advice on a couple of points.?Firstly?one of the motor brushes is grounded to the motor frame and picks up direct through the chassis.? I realise that the brush needs electrically isolating but I am wondering whether?I can just break the connection between brush and chassis or should I also isolate the pickup from the chassis to reduce the risk of any shorts???Being new to DCC and also not very electronically minded I hope I have explained myself sufficiently.? I am particularly wary of blowing up ?32 worth of decoder on my first attempt at fitting!? Secondly, has anyone on here fitted a decoder to the Lister and if so, where? I am looking either at one side between the axles, chassis and frames, reducing the chassis at one end and fitting it behind the buffer beam or building the kit with the canopy and hiding the decoder in the roof.? Any help, suggestions etc. would be gratefully received. |
Roy Link/KBscale Lister and DCC
Hope everyone is well and keeping safe.? I have a part built Roy Link Lister kit which I wish to fit for DCC?and am hoping someone may be able to offer advice on a couple of points.?Firstly?one of the motor brushes is grounded to the motor frame and picks up direct through the chassis.? I realise that the brush needs electrically isolating but I am wondering whether?I can just break the connection between brush and chassis or should I also isolate the pickup from the chassis to reduce the risk of any shorts???Being new to DCC and also not very electronically minded I hope I have explained myself sufficiently.? I am particularly wary of blowing up ?32 worth of decoder on my first attempt at fitting!? Secondly, has anyone on here fitted a decoder to the Lister and if so, where? I am looking either at one side between the axles, chassis and frames, reducing the chassis at one end and fitting it behind the buffer beam or building the kit with the canopy and hiding the decoder in the roof.? Any help, suggestions etc. would be gratefully received.
Thanks Phil |
Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW
Looking forward to this one!? ![]() Steve
On Monday, June 29, 2020, 01:55:10 PM GMT+1, John C via groups.io <jclutterbuck2001@...> wrote:
![]() Issue 123 has gone to the printers for distribution next month. The contents are:
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Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW
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Re: O14 layout for sale in New Zealand
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Thanks Kevin.
I'm sure no-one on this group needs telling that Paul is a phenomenally good modeller. It would be a crying shame for this layout to be dismantled. While the layout has indeed featured in the Review, Paul has also regularly contributed articles on construction
of locos and rolling stock, most recently Issue 120, so whoever saves the layout will also gain some well-built items.
David H
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Kevin Crosado <kcrosado@...>
Sent: 24 June 2020 05:03 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [o14] O14 layout for sale in New Zealand ?
My friend Paul Berntsen wishes to sell his O14 layout Wexford and has asked me to forward this message:
I want to sell my layout ‘Wexford’. The layout at present occupies??a space?a tiny bit over 4 metres by 4 metres. There are 5 base-boards, the largest one is 3 metres by 2 metres.? This could be divided in two but is better left as one if possible. The layout is 7 mm scale and 14 mm gauge, representing a two foot gauge common carrier somewhere in the south of England. Needless to say it is freelance! There are 8 locomotives, 10 coaches and many pieces of goods rolling stock. There are also many road vehicles of all types. The layout is cab control DC with two throttles. It runs very reliably. Ideally I would like to sell it all in one go but if I get no interest I will sell parts such as the buildings separately. I am not looking for silly money, but I do need to get a result. Call or e-mail and talk.
Paul Berntsen ?0-6-877 5334 ?
bernieofthebay@... |
O14 layout for sale in New Zealand
My friend Paul Berntsen wishes to sell his O14 layout Wexford and has asked me to forward this message:
I want to sell my layout ‘Wexford’. The layout at present occupies??a space?a tiny bit over 4 metres by 4 metres. There are 5 base-boards, the largest one is 3 metres by 2 metres.? This could be divided in two but is better left as one if possible. The layout is 7 mm scale and 14 mm gauge, representing a two foot gauge common carrier somewhere in the south of England. Needless to say it is freelance! There are 8 locomotives, 10 coaches and many pieces of goods rolling stock. There are also many road vehicles of all types. The layout is cab control DC with two throttles. It runs very reliably. Ideally I would like to sell it all in one go but if I get no interest I will sell parts such as the buildings separately. I am not looking for silly money, but I do need to get a result. Call or e-mail and talk. Paul Berntsen ?0-6-877 5334 ? bernieofthebay@... |
Re: Something to do in these difficult times - RCL & NGI Competition
开云体育I'm glad you did. I've not had chance to give it a go myself but I'm enjoying seeing others attempts, Mark On 14/05/2020 19:57, Steve Holland via
groups.io wrote:
Sorry, did not intend to send this to the entire group. Blame it on the stress of working with small fiddly card parts. |