Re: O14 Backwoods Garratt kit for sale

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There was an NGG on eBay recently, unsold at ?400, at ?375 and at ?350 before I think someone took it at ?325

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On 10 Dec 2016, at 09:55, Paul Holmes heatonwood@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:

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John built the K1 kit not the NGG16 which is the one for sale (i think)
Paul

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Re: O14 Backwoods Garratt kit for sale

#6513

John built the K1 kit not the NGG16 which is the one for sale (i think)
Paul

Re: O14 Backwoods Garratt kit for sale

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Pete may list it on his website but as I recall it isn't available, nor has it been for a long time - Pete withdrew it because it's a challenging build and needed further design. ?That said it can be beautifully done (see John Clutterbuck's magnificent example on Pentewan) ...

Gary

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On 10 Dec 2016, at 08:06, Paul Holmes heatonwood@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:

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Hi Keith.
Pete still lists the kit on his website at ?390. I assume it is still available? This makes your $600 (?480) look rather expensive!
Paul

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Re: O14 Backwoods Garratt kit for sale

#6511

Hi Keith. 
Pete still lists the kit on his website at ?390. I assume it is still available?  This makes your $600 (?480) look rather expensive!  
Paul 

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O14 Backwoods Garratt kit for sale

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#6510

Hi Guys,

I have a Backwoods Miniatures NG Garratt kit that I bought some years ago. This is the O-14 version NOT On30

I am building a layout in On3 and have realized that I will never find the time to build the Garratt.

I am willing to sell the kit for USD600.00 OBO plus postage from Canada.

would anyone be interested. If yes, contact me by email at csrr70@... and we can discuss.

The kit is mint and completely intact. Nothing has been cut off the sheets nor assembled yet.

Thanks,

Keith

Re: Point Frog Jigs

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Hi Craig,

You are right that the jig wouldn't survive being heated but then that's not really what it's designed for. It will only clamp over a single rail at a time to allow the rail to be cut. If you then want to use a jig to solder the two rails into a frog I'd recommend the jigs from KBScale. These survive being heated very well. I have the KBScale jigs mounted on a wooden block and use a blow torch to solder so that I can get the rails hot enough without the jig acting as a heat sink and drawing too much heat away.

Mark

On 04/12/16 00:54, Craig Parry thrustanparry7144@... [O14] wrote:

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Hi Mark,

Could I assume that your jig would not survive the heat from soldering?

Regards,

Craig
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On Sat, 12/3/16, 'Mark A. Greenwood' m.a.greenwood@... [O14] wrote:

Subject: [O14] Point Frog Jigs
To: O14@...
Date: Saturday, December 3, 2016, 10:27 AM

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Hi Everyone,

Last week there was a thread on using the the Fast Tracks
jigs for

making O14 points. I made a comment that a) the jigs seemed
exceedingly

expensive and that b) I'd previously designed and 3D
printed some much

cheaper jigs that were suitable for making Type 1 and Type 2
point frogs

(i.e 15 or 9 degree ends to the rails) that could be used
with the

KBScale crossing jigs. There was some interest in making
those jigs

available so I've now put them for sale on Shapeways.

Type 1:

Type 2:

Both jigs are priced at just $10 but do require you to
supply two pairs

of 12BA nuts and bolts to complete.

If anyone needs jigs for other crossing angles I'm happy
to do custom

jigs; just let me know the angle you need to cut the
rail,

Mark

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Re: Point Frog Jigs

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Hi Mark,

Could I assume that your jig would not survive the heat from soldering?

Regards,

Craig
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On Sat, 12/3/16, 'Mark A. Greenwood' m.a.greenwood@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:

 Subject: [O14] Point Frog Jigs
 To: O14@...
 Date: Saturday, December 3, 2016, 10:27 AM


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       Hi Everyone,



 Last week there was a thread on using the the Fast Tracks
 jigs for

 making O14 points. I made a comment that a) the jigs seemed
 exceedingly

 expensive and that b) I'd previously designed and 3D
 printed some much

 cheaper jigs that were suitable for making Type 1 and Type 2
 point frogs

 (i.e 15 or 9 degree ends to the rails) that could be used
 with the

 KBScale crossing jigs. There was some interest in making
 those jigs

 available so I've now put them for sale on Shapeways.



 Type 1: 



 Type 2: 



 Both jigs are priced at just $10 but do require you to
 supply two pairs

 of 12BA nuts and bolts to complete.



 If anyone needs jigs for other crossing angles I'm happy
 to do custom

 jigs; just let me know the angle you need to cut the
 rail,



 Mark













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Point Frog Jigs

#6507

Hi Everyone,

Last week there was a thread on using the the Fast Tracks jigs for making O14 points. I made a comment that a) the jigs seemed exceedingly expensive and that b) I'd previously designed and 3D printed some much cheaper jigs that were suitable for making Type 1 and Type 2 point frogs (i.e 15 or 9 degree ends to the rails) that could be used with the KBScale crossing jigs. There was some interest in making those jigs available so I've now put them for sale on Shapeways.

Type 1: 

Type 2: 

Both jigs are priced at just $10 but do require you to supply two pairs of 12BA nuts and bolts to complete.

If anyone needs jigs for other crossing angles I'm happy to do custom jigs; just let me know the angle you need to cut the rail,

Mark

Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW

#6506

A postal employee snuck a copy into another NZ letterbox this afternoon. Glad to see the Wellingborough article doesn’t include drawings of the wagons, so I can probably keep resisting the temptation to model them a bit longer….

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De Selby Research

Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW

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Subject: Re: [O14] Narrow Gauge & Industrial Review 108

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Just FYI, it has not arrived on the west coast of the US yet. Hopefully today.

Dave

> On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:00 AM, 'jclutterbuck2001@...' jclutterbuck2001@... [O14] wrote:
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Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW

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It came!

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Just FYI, it has not arrived on the west coast of the US yet. Hopefully today.

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Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW

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Just FYI, it has not arrived on the west coast of the US yet. Hopefully today.

Dave

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On Nov 29, 2016, at 9:00 AM, 'jclutterbuck2001@...' jclutterbuck2001@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:

Thanks everyone for the delivery updates.

Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW

William Bryk

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Dear John:

I am grateful to Roy Link and you for keeping the magazine alive.? If it takes a little longer to get here than it once did, so what?? It's not a matter of life and death, at least not for me.? And when it gets here, it will be as always a great source of pleasure.

Regards,

William Bryk

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On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 12:00 PM, 'jclutterbuck2001@...' jclutterbuck2001@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:

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Thanks everyone for the delivery updates. It took 4 days to the UK, 22 days to get to the EU, 30 days to Australia, 32 to NZ and 35 to the USA. As Roy has stated delivery is via a mail facilitator and timescales are very much dependent on them achieving a full load with other magazines etc. If we didn’t use a facilitator it simply wouldn’t be economic to mail around the world. And it should be noted the prices have not changed for 5 years!

We will perhaps reset the despatch expectations for issue 109.

Regards
John

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Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW

#6501

Thanks everyone for the delivery updates. It took 4 days to the UK, 22 days to get to the EU, 30 days to Australia, 32 to NZ and 35 to the USA. As Roy has stated delivery is via a mail facilitator and timescales are very much dependent on them achieving a full load with other magazines etc. If we didn’t use a facilitator it simply wouldn’t be economic to mail around  the world. And it should be noted the prices have not changed for 5 years!

We will perhaps reset the despatch expectations for issue 109.

Regards
John

Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW

#6500

FWIW Issue 108 landed in my mailbox in Ocean View, Delaware, on November 28. Will get to open it later today.

Bill Uffelman

On Wednesday, October 5, 2016 3:08 PM, "jclutterbuck2001@... [O14]" wrote:

Aplogies if you've seen this elsewhere but this is a home forum for many Review readers.

Issue 108 has been sent to the printers. Despatch to UK subscribers should occur mid October. EU and 'Rest of World' copies go out from the mailing facilitator as soon as the minimum economic number of items is reached - but those furthest away from the UK should have their copies within the next 3-4 weeks.

Contents:

Woolacombe Bay - Large scale modelling by Franck Combe (7/8ths)
Stanley - Mark & Angela Fry describe a loco metamorphosis (prototype)
Modelling the Southwold Railway - The creative layouts of Stewart Green (4mm and 2mm scale)
Robert Hudson Bogie Wagon - Archive drawing
Four East Midlands Ironstone Tramways - Part 3 – Wellingborough by Dan Quine (prototype)
Photography Diorama - Described by Nick Brown (7mm)
Crochat PE Tractor – Ingenious drive system in O14 by Bernard Marchand
Finishing the Peckett - OO9 kit by Alex Duckworth

Plus product and book reviews, readers letters and Jottings.

Subscriptions and renewals can be ordered here:

John

Re: Fast Tracks

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I agree the fast tracks jigs are expensive, although I did toy with the idea of getting the blade filing jig - which I am led to believe through correspondance will accept Karlgarin 82 rail.

I personally find filing the crossing nose is not too hard although I do complicate it by making it a lap joint (see p25 of?)

The much harder part is holding the crossing and wing rails accuratley in place whilst soldering. On my recent work I have evolved my techniques to use sacrificial card overlays on a template copy with the crossing a wing rails (all straight and over long) held in place with masking tape. I failed to take photos of the soldering operation but hopefully the template photo is obvious - see:?

I have also moved on from trying to solder in the wires (as in track article) to using glued in black plastic snippets to represent the spacers in the flange ways and pieces of fishplate (zamzoodled) glued on the outer side of the rail.

John

Re: Fast Tracks

matthieu jacquemart

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Le 27/11/2016 à 09:40, Mark A Greenwood m.a.greenwood@... [O14] a écrit?:

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If people are interested I can look into making them available, probably direct from shapeways and you'd just need to supply the 12BA nuts and bolts.

hello,
That could be a good idea !
Matthieu

Re: Fast Tracks

#6497

Having just looked those Fast Tracks jigs seem rather expensive! Each of the part jigs is just over $50 and a point template jig is around $130. So if you wanted to use the jigs for all the parts you'd need to spend almost $300 per rail size and per turnout number! Saying that seems excessive feels like the understatement of the year.

In comparison the crossing jigs from KBScale are just ?7 each and make assembling the hardest part of a point very easy. The one thing those jigs don't help with is cutting the rail at the right angle though and I did find that was a bit of a pain. Rather than buy an expensive jig though I designed my own that could be 3D printed using the cheapest material shapeways offer. You can see the idea in this blog post I wrote

If people are interested I can look into making them available, probably direct from shapeways and you'd just need to supply the 12BA nuts and bolts.

Mark

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On 27 November 2016 at 01:40, Geoffrey Briggs geoffrey_briggs@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:

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Craig, I'm glad you asked too, this has been a really useful thread! Will order some shinohara and experiment
Cheers
Geoff

> On 27 Nov 2016, at 2:06 am, "Craig Parry thrustanparry7144@... [O14]" <O14@...> wrote:
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> Thanks All - I'm glad I asked!
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> Cheers,
>
> Craig
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> On Sat, 11/26/16, David John davidphillipjohn@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:
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> Subject: Re: [O14] Re: Fast Tracks
> To: "O14@..." <O14@...>
> Date: Saturday, November 26, 2016, 7:19 AM
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> Hi
> Guys
> Regarding
> the Shinohara Sn3 trackl there seems to have been a
> 'shift' in the standards. The recent stuff is fine
> 'as is' and all my stock on Rhyd runs through it
> quite happily - although the frogs need regular cleaning for
> good pick up for short wheelbase locos. The older points
> were tight over check rails but it was a matter of moments
> with a 1mm thick needle file to open them out. These, too,
> now give faultless running (and the frogs can get away with
> less cleaning!)
> All my
> curves, under about 42" radius, have the gauge widened
> to 14.2mm anyway. Russel will haul a train of bow-siders
> around a 24" curve with no problems although Lew
> struggles below a 28" radius curve - but that is more
> to do with pony truck clearance than gauge!.
> Cheers
> David
>
>
> From:
> "jclutterbuck2001@... [O14]"
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> To: O14@...
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> Sent: Friday, 25
> November 2016, 18:24
> Subject: [O14] Re: Fast
> Tracks
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> Hi
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> I have had a go at
> comparing the NMRA standard at:
> against the O14 standard at:
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> It looks like the O14
> back-to-back (min 12.4mm) will easily clear the Sn3 max Span
> of 12.01mm (.473")
> and the Sn3 C (CN
> in O14 terms) min of 13.18mm (.519") just exceeds the
> O14 C (13.1mm max) thus it all should work.
>
> I would be grateful if someone
> could check my calculations.
>
> John
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Re: Fast Tracks

#6496

Craig, I'm glad you asked too, this has been a really useful thread! Will order some shinohara and experiment
Cheers
Geoff

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On 27 Nov 2016, at 2:06 am, "Craig Parry thrustanparry7144@... [O14]" <O14@...> wrote:

Thanks All - I'm glad I asked!

Cheers,

Craig
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On Sat, 11/26/16, David John davidphillipjohn@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [O14] Re: Fast Tracks
To: "O14@..." <O14@...>
Date: Saturday, November 26, 2016, 7:19 AM












      Hi
Guys
Regarding
the Shinohara Sn3 trackl there seems to have been a
'shift' in the standards.  The recent stuff is fine
'as is' and all my stock on Rhyd runs through it
quite happily - although the frogs need regular cleaning for
good pick up for short wheelbase locos.  The older points
were tight over check rails but it was a matter of moments
with a 1mm thick needle file to open them out.  These, too,
now give faultless running (and the frogs can get away with
less cleaning!)
All my
curves, under about 42" radius, have the gauge widened
to 14.2mm anyway.  Russel will haul a train of bow-siders
around a 24" curve with no problems although Lew
struggles below a 28" radius curve - but that is more
to do with pony truck clearance than gauge!.
Cheers
David


       From:
"jclutterbuck2001@... [O14]"
<O14@...>
 To: O14@...

 Sent: Friday, 25
November 2016, 18:24
 Subject: [O14] Re: Fast
Tracks












      Hi
Craig,

I have had a go at
comparing the NMRA standard at: 
against the O14 standard at: 


It looks like the O14
back-to-back (min 12.4mm) will easily clear the Sn3 max Span
of 12.01mm (.473")
and the Sn3 C (CN
in O14 terms) min of 13.18mm (.519") just exceeds the
O14 C (13.1mm max) thus it all should work.

I would be grateful if someone
could check my calculations.

John





















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Posted by: Craig Parry <thrustanparry7144@...>
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Re: Fast Tracks

#6495

Thanks All - I'm glad I asked!

Cheers,

Craig
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On Sat, 11/26/16, David John davidphillipjohn@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [O14] Re: Fast Tracks
 To: "O14@..." <O14@...>
 Date: Saturday, November 26, 2016, 7:19 AM


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       Hi
 Guys
 Regarding
 the Shinohara Sn3 trackl there seems to have been a
 'shift' in the standards.? The recent stuff is fine
 'as is' and all my stock on Rhyd runs through it
 quite happily - although the frogs need regular cleaning for
 good pick up for short wheelbase locos.? The older points
 were tight over check rails but it was a matter of moments
 with a 1mm thick needle file to open them out.? These, too,
 now give faultless running (and the frogs can get away with
 less cleaning!)
 All my
 curves, under about 42" radius, have the gauge widened
 to 14.2mm anyway.? Russel will haul a train of bow-siders
 around a 24" curve with no problems although Lew
 struggles below a 28" radius curve - but that is more
 to do with pony truck clearance than gauge!.
 Cheers
 David


        From:
 "jclutterbuck2001@... [O14]"
 <O14@...>
  To: O14@...

  Sent: Friday, 25
 November 2016, 18:24
  Subject: [O14] Re: Fast
 Tracks


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       Hi
 Craig,

 I have had a go at
 comparing the NMRA standard at: 
 against the O14 standard at: 


 It looks like the O14
 back-to-back (min 12.4mm) will easily clear the Sn3 max Span
 of 12.01mm (.473")
 and the Sn3 C (CN
 in O14 terms) min of 13.18mm (.519") just exceeds the
 O14 C (13.1mm max) thus it all should work.

 I would be grateful if someone
 could check my calculations.

 John
















 




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