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Re: Fast Tracks

 

Hi Guys

Regarding the Shinohara Sn3 trackl there seems to have been a 'shift' in the standards.? The recent stuff is fine 'as is' and all my stock on Rhyd runs through it quite happily - although the frogs need regular cleaning for good pick up for short wheelbase locos.? The older points were tight over check rails but it was a matter of moments with a 1mm thick needle file to open them out.? These, too, now give faultless running (and the frogs can get away with less cleaning!)

All my curves, under about 42" radius, have the gauge widened to 14.2mm anyway.? Russel will haul a train of bow-siders around a 24" curve with no problems although Lew struggles below a 28" radius curve - but that is more to do with pony truck clearance than gauge!.

Cheers

David


From: "jclutterbuck2001@... [O14]"
To: O14@...
Sent: Friday, 25 November 2016, 18:24
Subject: [O14] Re: Fast Tracks

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Hi Craig,

I have had a go at comparing the NMRA standard at: against the O14 standard at:

It looks like the O14 back-to-back (min 12.4mm) will easily clear the Sn3 max Span of 12.01mm (.473")
and the Sn3 C (CN in O14 terms) min of 13.18mm (.519") just exceeds the O14 C (13.1mm max) thus it all should work.

I would be grateful if someone could check my calculations.

John
Re: Digest Number 1659

 

Still hopefully and expectantly watching the letterbox in NZ.


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De Selby Research

On 26/11/2016, at 10:08 pm, O14@... wrote:

That's 28 days after UK delivery. Just USA and NZ to confirm now if anyone is on this forum (what do you mean you don't read the Review )
Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW

 

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Still waiting.?
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Seattle, Washington


On Nov 25, 2016, at 10:32 AM, jclutterbuck2001@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:

Thanks Rod,

That's 28 days after UK delivery. Just USA and NZ to confirm now if anyone is on this forum (what do you mean you don't read the Review )

John

Re: Fast Tracks

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John,

I can confirm that, when I still had my 'NG Sand & Gravel O14 layout, it was quite possible to run a PBL Sn3 D&RGW boxcar through the turnouts without problems. It seems that, through some sort of serendipity, both Sn3 and O14 standard track and wheels are, more or less, compatible. It was certainly not by design - the standards I created back in the 1980s were, as noted elsewhere, based on those for EM(BRMSb 1950s) 18mm, less 4mm.

A PFM C16 could even run on part of the layout, though the tight curves prevented much in the way of progress.

Roy


On 25 Nov 2016, at 6:24 pm, jclutterbuck2001@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:

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Hi Craig,

I have had a go at comparing the NMRA standard at: against the O14 standard at:

It looks like the O14 back-to-back (min 12.4mm) will easily clear the Sn3 max Span of 12.01mm (.473")
and the Sn3 C (CN in O14 terms) min of 13.18mm (.519") just exceeds the O14 C (13.1mm max) thus it all should work.

I would be grateful if someone could check my calculations.

John
Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW

 

Thanks Rod,

That's 28 days after UK delivery. Just USA and NZ to confirm now if anyone is on this forum (what do you mean you don't read the Review )

John
Re: Fast Tracks

 

Hi Craig,

I have had a go at comparing the NMRA standard at: against the O14 standard at:

It looks like the O14 back-to-back (min 12.4mm) will easily clear the Sn3 max Span of 12.01mm (.473")
and the Sn3 C (CN in O14 terms) min of 13.18mm (.519") just exceeds the O14 C (13.1mm max) thus it all should work.

I would be grateful if someone could check my calculations.

John
Re: Fast Tracks

 

At the sharper radii used with the prototype 2 foot gauge, especially in “industrial” use (say, for example, with Hudson track), the gauge would be widened by half-an-inch or even more, so a model track gauge of 14,3 mm would be more accurate than 14,00 mm on curves.

As John has said, it is the back-to-back measurement in relation to check-rails in points that is critical. In the unlikely event that it proves to be a problem, use the jigs to build all the running rails and then use a custom made spacer (aluminium, blackened brass or steel or even wood) to space out the check rails from the adjacent running rails when fixing them in position. The check (wing) rails at the crossing in the point shouldn’t pose a problem unless your flanges are too course.

David Woodcock
Champlon, Belgique
Re: Fast Tracks

 

Thanks for the info - they have a neat jig for making frogs and today, Black Friday - they are not quite as 'posh' :).
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On Fri, 11/25/16, John Clutterbuck jclutterbuck2001@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [O14] Fast Tracks
To: O14@...
Date: Friday, November 25, 2016, 3:29 AM


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The difference in gauge is not a problem as proved
by the many of us who have used Sn3 track in hidden
sections, fiddle yards etc.



However, there is a critical relationship between gauge,
back-to-back, over check rails, and check to opposite rail
which if not compatible will cause running issues. A proper
study and comparison of the o14 and Sn3 standards is
probably required. That said I know some have successfully
used Shinohara Sn3 points in fiddle yards.



John









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Re: Fast Tracks

 

It's not 'right' in that 14.3mm gauge is actually 24 7/8" gauge, but I use 14mm gauge for the FfR and that should really run on 13.72mm track! That said, my stock runs through Shinohara points and plain track quite happily in the fiddle yard on Dinas. The shinohara track is quite delicate and minor knocks have ripped the rail out of the chairs quite easily. I think it is still available from Scalelink.?
If you are going to make your own track, then why not stick to 14mm gauge. I have never used posh jigs any way, just a digital vernier and a piece of thin 1/32" ply cut to exactly 14 or latterly 17.5mm width.?
As John says the critical dimensions are the wheel/flange/back to back/check rail clearance. Once those are settled then you can build a railway to any gauge you fancy. The limiting factor with that approach excludes the use of Romford wheels without a lot of fiddling about as they have a fixed back to back. Any wheel that is a push fit onto its axle may be fixed on an axle wherever you like.?
I never quite worked out why the fabulous Resau Breton line that Gordon built was to 18.2mm gauge and not 20mm as that would have been just as easy but correct.?
I will post a few photos of the evolving 17.5mm track later today.?
Paul?
Re: Fast Tracks

 

The difference in gauge is not a problem as proved by the many of us who have used Sn3 track in hidden sections, fiddle yards etc.

However, there is a critical relationship between gauge, back-to-back, over check rails, and check to opposite rail which if not compatible will cause running issues. A proper study and comparison of the o14 and Sn3 standards is probably required. That said I know some have successfully used Shinohara Sn3 points in fiddle yards.

John
Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW

 

Issue 108 has arrived in Melbourne, Australia on Friday Melbourne time.

Rod Hutchinson
Mooroolbark, Australia
Registrar:?13th Australian Narrow Gauge Railway Convention,?Easter 2017



On 19 November 2016 at 01:22, jclutterbuck2001@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:
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Please can someone let us know when it does arrive in USA, Canada, AUS and NZ so we can understand how long it is taking and manage expectations for future issues.
Just one message per country would be fine.

Thanks
John
Fast Tracks

 

I have been contemplating ?buying a set of Fast Track jigs for Sn3. The gauge is 14.3 mm.

Is this close enough for O14 kits?
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My copy arrived in Sydney, Australia today.
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Best regards
Bruce
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From: jclutterbuck2001@... [O14]
Sent: 19 November, 2016 1:22 AM
To: O14@...
Subject: RE: [O14] NG&I Review 108
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Please can someone let us know when it does arrive in USA, Canada, AUS and NZ so we can understand how long it is taking and manage expectations for future issues.
Just one message per country would be fine.

Thanks
John
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Will let you know when she arrives on the West Coast,(Los Angeles) ?John…

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All the best

Barry...

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From: O14@... [mailto:O14@...]
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 6:22 AM
To: O14@...
Subject: RE: [O14] NG&I Review 108

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Please can someone let us know when it does arrive in USA, Canada, AUS and NZ so we can understand how long it is taking and manage expectations for future issues.
Just one message per country would be fine.

Thanks
John
Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW

 

Arrived in Barrie, Ontario today

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Barrie, Ontario
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On 11/21/2016 18:33, Craig Parry thrustanparry7144@... [O14] wrote:
My copy arrived today in Canada.
Best Regards!
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Subject: RE: [O14] NG&I Review 108
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Date: Friday, November 18, 2016, 9:22 AM
Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW

 

My copy arrived today in Canada.
Best Regards!
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Subject: RE: [O14] NG&I Review 108
To: O14@...
Date: Friday, November 18, 2016, 9:22 AM


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Please can someone let us know when it does arrive
in USA, Canada, AUS and NZ so we can understand how long it
is taking and manage expectations for future issues.
Just one message per country would be fine.

Thanks
John









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Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW

 

Will do John

Cheers

Geoff


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Sent: Saturday, 19 November 2016, 1:22
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Please can someone let us know when it does arrive in USA, Canada, AUS and NZ so we can understand how long it is taking and manage expectations for future issues.
Just one message per country would be fine.

Thanks
John



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Please can someone let us know when it does arrive in USA, Canada, AUS and NZ so we can understand how long it is taking and manage expectations for future issues.
Just one message per country would be fine.

Thanks
John
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Good afternoon Roy…

Thank you for taking the time to explain the situation to us…

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A note to those concerned about the time it takes to receive their copies of the REVIEW.

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Before Bob Barlow took over the magazine, myself and my wife, Anjela used to bag up, address and frank every single subscriber copy. Then I took them down to the nearest sorting office for distribution. Unfortunately, Anjela fell pray to Heart & lung failure - and is now an invalid. I myself had to have my right Kidney removed because of cancer - which is now in my bladder. These events meant Bob’s offer to take over the magazine came at a most opportune time. Bob soon grew tired of despatching the magazine himself, and changed printers to one local to him which also offered despatch. No one could have predicted that Bob himself would die suddenly - he was the fit one . . .

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I was determined to keep the magazine going, as seamlessly as possible, and before he died Bob and his wife rowena very kindly gifted the magazine back to me - but my health is now such that I can’t go back to direct distribution. The UK issues get delivered within a space of about 4 working days, as the printer reaches the number of items for economic despatch very quickly. The further away subscribers are, the longer it takes, as the numbers take longer to reach the target required. ?I know the copies to Europe and the USA have been arriving - as I’m seeing renewals from those areas.?

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As I approach the age of seventy it is quite a strain on my health just putting together each issue for you - though I do now get invaluable help from John Clutterbuck (web site & admin) and David Hughes (proof reading). In amongst preparing each issue and bringing it to print, I also have to process orders for back issues, books etc., entirely on my own. Without 'mail consolidation', I could not provide the magazine physically - the saving in cost is really a bonus that has helped keep the cover stable over the past six or more years.

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Please be patient . . .?

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Roy


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On 17 Nov 2016, at 10:27, ianajng@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:



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Hello Bruce,

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Like Rod, I’m in Victoria, and I’ve not seen my copy yet either.? Unfortunately the use of a mail consolidator in the UK, which apparently reduces the postage costs, ?has seriously impacted on the delivery time to Australia from how it used to be.?? I guess because there are so few copies coming to Australia, it’s low priority at the consolidators.

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For some reason I now can’t reply using the forum, the page does not respond to the mouseclick. So this is being posted as an email, so I’ve no idea if it’ll come through. ?(Recently upgraded ( ???)? to Windoooze 10 )?

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Cheers

Ian J ?

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Hi Roy,
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Thank-you for your very detailed explanation, and we understand the efforts of all those involved with the magazine production.
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Please note that the intention of my posting was not criticism, however I asked the question, just in case my copy had gone astray?
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We all appreciate the very good work of your editorial team, and we look forward to receiving your magazines!
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Best regards
Bruce
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From: Roy Link rclpubs@... [O14]
Sent: 17 November, 2016 11:06 PM
To: O14@...
Subject: Re: [O14] NG&I Review 108
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A note to those concerned about the time it takes to receive their copies of the REVIEW.

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Before Bob Barlow took over the magazine, myself and my wife, Anjela used to bag up, address and frank every single subscriber copy. Then I took them down to the nearest sorting office for distribution. Unfortunately, Anjela fell pray to Heart & lung failure - and is now an invalid. I myself had to have my right Kidney removed because of cancer - which is now in my bladder. These events meant Bob’s offer to take over the magazine came at a most opportune time. Bob soon grew tired of despatching the magazine himself, and changed printers to one local to him which also offered despatch. No one could have predicted that Bob himself would die suddenly - he was the fit one . . .
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I was determined to keep the magazine going, as seamlessly as possible, and before he died Bob and his wife rowena very kindly gifted the magazine back to me - but my health is now such that I can’t go back to direct distribution. The UK issues get delivered within a space of about 4 working days, as the printer reaches the number of items for economic despatch very quickly. The further away subscribers are, the longer it takes, as the numbers take longer to reach the target required.? I know the copies to Europe and the USA have been arriving - as I’m seeing renewals from those areas.
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As I approach the age of seventy it is quite a strain on my health just putting together each issue for you - though I do now get invaluable help from John Clutterbuck (web site & admin) and David Hughes (proof reading). In amongst preparing each issue and bringing it to print, I also have to process orders for back issues, books etc., entirely on my own. Without 'mail consolidation', I could not provide the magazine physically - the saving in cost is really a bonus that has helped keep the cover stable over the past six or more years.
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Please be patient . . .
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Roy

Tel:01766 530784
email: rclpubs@...
website:www.narrowgaugeandindustrial.co.uk
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On 17 Nov 2016, at 10:27, ianajng@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:

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Hello Bruce,

Like Rod, I’m in Victoria, and I’ve not seen my copy yet either.? Unfortunately the use of a mail consolidator in the UK, which apparently reduces the postage costs,? has seriously impacted on the delivery time to Australia from how it used to be.?? I guess because there are so few copies coming to Australia, it’s low priority at the consolidators.

For some reason I now can’t reply using the forum, the page does not respond to the mouseclick. So this is being posted as an email, so I’ve no idea if it’ll come through.? (Recently upgraded ( ???)? to Windoooze 10 )

Cheers

Ian J?

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