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Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW

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A note to those concerned about the time it takes to receive their copies of the REVIEW.

Before Bob Barlow took over the magazine, myself and my wife, Anjela used to bag up, address and frank every single subscriber copy. Then I took them down to the nearest sorting office for distribution. Unfortunately, Anjela fell pray to Heart & lung failure - and is now an invalid. I myself had to have my right Kidney removed because of cancer - which is now in my bladder. These events meant Bob’s offer to take over the magazine came at a most opportune time. Bob soon grew tired of despatching the magazine himself, and changed printers to one local to him which also offered despatch. No one could have predicted that Bob himself would die suddenly - he was the fit one . . .

I was determined to keep the magazine going, as seamlessly as possible, and before he died Bob and his wife rowena very kindly gifted the magazine back to me - but my health is now such that I can’t go back to direct distribution. The UK issues get delivered within a space of about 4 working days, as the printer reaches the number of items for economic despatch very quickly. The further away subscribers are, the longer it takes, as the numbers take longer to reach the target required. ?I know the copies to Europe and the USA have been arriving - as I’m seeing renewals from those areas.?

As I approach the age of seventy it is quite a strain on my health just putting together each issue for you - though I do now get invaluable help from John Clutterbuck (web site & admin) and David Hughes (proof reading). In amongst preparing each issue and bringing it to print, I also have to process orders for back issues, books etc., entirely on my own. Without 'mail consolidation', I could not provide the magazine physically - the saving in cost is really a bonus that has helped keep the cover stable over the past six or more years.

Please be patient . . .?

Roy

Tel:01766 530784
email: rclpubs@...
website:www.narrowgaugeandindustrial.co.uk

On 17 Nov 2016, at 10:27, ianajng@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:


Hello Bruce,

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Like Rod, I’m in Victoria, and I’ve not seen my copy yet either.? Unfortunately the use of a mail consolidator in the UK, which apparently reduces the postage costs, ?has seriously impacted on the delivery time to Australia from how it used to be.?? I guess because there are so few copies coming to Australia, it’s low priority at the consolidators.

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For some reason I now can’t reply using the forum, the page does not respond to the mouseclick. So this is being posted as an email, so I’ve no idea if it’ll come through. ?(Recently upgraded ( ???)? to Windoooze 10 )?

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Cheers

Ian J ?

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Thanks Ian,
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Your posting / email was successfully received.
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I can relate to the logistics. I guess we have no other option, than to wait! I am sure the reading content will be all worth it – when it is received!
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Cheers
Bruce
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From: ianajng@... [O14]
Sent: 17 November, 2016 9:27 PM
To: o14@...
Subject: [O14] NG&I Review 108
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Hello Bruce,

Like Rod, I’m in Victoria, and I’ve not seen my copy yet either.? Unfortunately the use of a mail consolidator in the UK, which apparently reduces the postage costs,? has seriously impacted on the delivery time to Australia from how it used to be.?? I guess because there are so few copies coming to Australia, it’s low priority at the consolidators.

For some reason I now can’t reply using the forum, the page does not respond to the mouseclick. So this is being posted as an email, so I’ve no idea if it’ll come through.? (Recently upgraded ( ???)? to Windoooze 10 )?

Cheers

Ian J?


Re: Digest Number 1653

 

Not Australia, but it hasn’t reached New Zealand yet either.


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Kevin Crosado
De Selby Research

On 17/11/2016, at 10:59 pm, O14@... wrote:

Has anyone in Australia received their subscription copy yet?


Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW

 

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Hello Bruce,

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Like Rod, I’m in Victoria, and I’ve not seen my copy yet either.? Unfortunately the use of a mail consolidator in the UK, which apparently reduces the postage costs, ?has seriously impacted on the delivery time to Australia from how it used to be.?? I guess because there are so few copies coming to Australia, it’s low priority at the consolidators.

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For some reason I now can’t reply using the forum, the page does not respond to the mouseclick. So this is being posted as an email, so I’ve no idea if it’ll come through. ?(Recently upgraded ( ???)? to Windoooze 10 )?

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Cheers

Ian J ?

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Thanks Rod – at least I am not alone!
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I thought there may have been some other Australian subscribers on this Group, to gain a better overall impression on when the magazine was received?
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Cheers
Bruce
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From: Rod Hutchinson rodhutchy@... [O14]
Sent: 16 November, 2016 1:36 PM
To: O14 Z-Group
Subject: Re: [O14] Re: NG&I Review 108
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It has not arrived in Victoria, Australia as yet.
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Rod Hutchinson
Mooroolbark, Australia
Registrar: 13th Australian Narrow Gauge Railway Convention, Easter 2017

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On 16 November 2016 at 13:16, bruce.wood@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:
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Hi Folks,

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Has anyone in Australia received their subscription copy yet?

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Cheers

Bruce

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Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW

 

It has not arrived in Victoria, Australia as yet.

Rod Hutchinson
Mooroolbark, Australia
Registrar:?13th Australian Narrow Gauge Railway Convention,?Easter 2017



On 16 November 2016 at 13:16, bruce.wood@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:
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Hi Folks,


Has anyone in Australia received their subscription copy yet?


Cheers

Bruce






Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW

 

Hi Folks,


Has anyone in Australia received their subscription copy yet?


Cheers

Bruce





Bogies Wrightlines

 

Hello
I'm looking for Wrightlines O14 bogies
gribi.gilbert@...


Mickleover Derby 7mmNG Open Day

 



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The Trent Valley Area Group would like to invite all members, friends and other railway modellers to their Open Day?on 21st January. Please note that this is at a new venue. After many years at the Community Centre, we have moved a few hundred yards down the road to Our Lady of Lourdes Parish Centre. This is the Catholic Church Hall next to the petrol station by the roundabout in the centre of Mickleover. The new venue gives us more space which is all in one large room and so we won’t have displays hidden in classrooms where operators felt left out of the main event. There is a large kitchen and so we will still be able to provide refreshments and another benefit is a separate car park which is not shared with the library users. The only disadvantage is the cost which means a reluctant increase in our admission price to ?4 but we hope all our visitors agree that it’s worth it.

This event should see the first public viewing of the replacement to our Henmore layout which had been featured in both Narrow Lines and Railway Modeller. After sustaining some damage at the York show, it was agreed to scrap it and start again - whilst the planning was a long and slow process, we have now reached a point where we would like to share its development with our visitors.

Trade support already agreed with Association Sales, Second-Hand Sales, EDM Models and Port Wynnstay Models.

Anyone wishing to bring a layout, model display, demonstration, items for sale etc should contact Mike Bellamy by email mike.bellamy@... with their details. Please offer us something to fill the hall otherwise we'll all be rather lonely !

TRENT VALLEY AREA GROUP
MICKLEOVER (DERBY) OPEN DAY
OUR LADY OF LOURDES PARISH CENTRE
36 UTTOXETER ROAD
MICKLEOVER
DERBY
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SATURDAY 21ST JANUARY 2017

OPEN 10.00am to 4.00pm

ADMISSION ?4.

WEBSITE ? (Thanks to Paul Martin and EDM Models)

Details contact Mike Bellamy 01332 518109 (evenings only) or email mike.bellamy@...



















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On 25/10/2016 20:03, jclutterbuck2001@... [O14] wrote:
Yes it was changed (by me). I understand from Roy they have started being sent out today so UK readers should get them in a day or two.

Thanks for clearing that up - and my copy arrived in this morning's post!

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Brian Rumary
England
brian(at)rumary.co.uk


Re: Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW

 

Yes it was changed (by me). I understand from Roy they have started being sent out today so UK readers should get them in a day or two.

Regards
John


Narrow Gauge & Industrial Railway Modelling REVIEW

 

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Has anyone received their subscription copy of "Narrow Gauge and Industrial Railway Modelling Review" No.108 yet? On their website blog it says that "Issue 108 has been sent to the printers. Despatch to UK subscribers should occur end of October."

Note that this seems to have been changed recently - I seem to remember that the entry originally said "the middle of October"!


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Brian Rumary
England
brian(at)rumary.co.uk


Re: motors for Wrightlines WW1 Simplex

 

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I just ordered and received a drive with a Mashima motor so I suppose he still has stock or access to them.

Bruce Wilson
Barrie, Ontario, Canada
Life Member    NMRA
Member    Scale 7 Group    Gauge 0 Guild  7mmNGA
Member Bird Studies Canada   Ontario Bird Banding Association
Brereton Field Naturalists' Club  Simcoe County Banding Group
On 10/20/2016 14:09, Paul Holmes heatonwood@... [O14] wrote:

Looking at the website, they have mashima motors. ???How are they coping now they have stopped making them?????


Paul Holmes



From: O14@... on behalf of Bruce Wilson wilsonbrucea@... [O14]
Sent: 20 October 2016 17:21
To: O14@...
Subject: Re: [O14] Re: motors for Wrightlines WW1 Simplex
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Hollywood will do 14mm gauge.??? Contact Geoffrey there for information on ordering.

Bruce Wilson
Barrie, Ontario, Canada
Life Member    NMRA
Member    Scale 7 Group    Gauge 0 Guild  7mmNGA
Member Bird Studies Canada   Ontario Bird Banding Association
Brereton Field Naturalists' Club  Simcoe County Banding Group
On 10/20/2016 12:52, adrian@... [O14] wrote:
Tim,

Hollywood will do a BullAnt bogie to TT fine = 14.2mm gauge and do go down to TT coarse = 12mm so an exactly 14mm gauge version ought to be possible.

I would go for one of those, unless you want to run the turtle with its doors open when there might be visibility of motor issues.

Adrian





Re: motors for Wrightlines WW1 Simplex

 

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Looking at the website, they have mashima motors. ?How are they coping now they have stopped making them???


Paul Holmes



From: O14@... on behalf of Bruce Wilson wilsonbrucea@... [O14]
Sent: 20 October 2016 17:21
To: O14@...
Subject: Re: [O14] Re: motors for Wrightlines WW1 Simplex
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Hollywood will do 14mm gauge.? Contact Geoffrey there for information on ordering.

Bruce Wilson
Barrie, Ontario, Canada
Life Member    NMRA
Member    Scale 7 Group    Gauge 0 Guild  7mmNGA
Member Bird Studies Canada   Ontario Bird Banding Association
Brereton Field Naturalists' Club  Simcoe County Banding Group
On 10/20/2016 12:52, adrian@... [O14] wrote:
Tim,

Hollywood will do a BullAnt bogie to TT fine = 14.2mm gauge and do go down to TT coarse = 12mm so an exactly 14mm gauge version ought to be possible.

I would go for one of those, unless you want to run the turtle with its doors open when there might be visibility of motor issues.

Adrian




Re: motors for Wrightlines WW1 Simplex

 

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Hollywood will do 14mm gauge.? Contact Geoffrey there for information on ordering.

Bruce Wilson
Barrie, Ontario, Canada
Life Member    NMRA
Member    Scale 7 Group    Gauge 0 Guild  7mmNGA
Member Bird Studies Canada   Ontario Bird Banding Association
Brereton Field Naturalists' Club  Simcoe County Banding Group
On 10/20/2016 12:52, adrian@... [O14] wrote:

Tim,

Hollywood will do a BullAnt bogie to TT fine = 14.2mm gauge and do go down to TT coarse = 12mm so an exactly 14mm gauge version ought to be possible.

I would go for one of those, unless you want to run the turtle with its doors open when there might be visibility of motor issues.

Adrian




Re: motors for Wrightlines WW1 Simplex

 

Tim,


Hollywood will do a BullAnt bogie to TT fine = 14.2mm gauge and do go down to TT coarse = 12mm so an exactly 14mm gauge version ought to be possible.


I would go for one of those, unless you want to run the turtle with its doors open when there might be visibility of motor issues.


Adrian


Re: motors for Wrightlines WW1 Simplex

 

You could have a look at Hollywood Foundry products.

Rod Hutchinson
Mooroolbark
Australia

Registrar: Australian Narrow Gauge Railway Convention, Easter 2017


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On 19 Oct 2016 21:38, "David John davidphillipjohn@... [O14]" <O14@...> wrote:
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Hi Tim

Mine is on the Wrightlines 014 motor bogie and fits fine.? Top end is a little lively - but then no-one shoots at it on Rhyd!? Slow running is perfectly acceptible.

I understand the Black Beetle is not easy to regauge down to 14mm and both the Halling and BullAnt are probably too high for the cast floor - but may be possible if you cut bits away.

Cheers

David



From: "'Halket Family' halketfamily@... [O14]" <O14@...>
To: O14@...
Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2016, 8:22
Subject: [O14] motors for Wrightlines WW1 Simplex

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Hi all,
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I’m just wondering what experience you all might have of building the Wrightlines WW1 Simplex “Tin Turtles”? I have a kit W225 and was wondering about the best way to motorise it.
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Should I use a Keykits motor-bogey, or perhaps a Black-Beetle? Does the KB scale chassis fit?
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Also are there any other little extra details or known issues with the kit?
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Any help and advice very gratefully received.
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Thanks, Tim



Re: motors for Wrightlines WW1 Simplex

 

Hi Tim

Mine is on the Wrightlines 014 motor bogie and fits fine.? Top end is a little lively - but then no-one shoots at it on Rhyd!? Slow running is perfectly acceptible.

I understand the Black Beetle is not easy to regauge down to 14mm and both the Halling and BullAnt are probably too high for the cast floor - but may be possible if you cut bits away.

Cheers

David



From: "'Halket Family' halketfamily@... [O14]"
To: O14@...
Sent: Wednesday, 19 October 2016, 8:22
Subject: [O14] motors for Wrightlines WW1 Simplex

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Hi all,
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I’m just wondering what experience you all might have of building the Wrightlines WW1 Simplex “Tin Turtles”? I have a kit W225 and was wondering about the best way to motorise it.
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Should I use a Keykits motor-bogey, or perhaps a Black-Beetle? Does the KB scale chassis fit?
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Also are there any other little extra details or known issues with the kit?
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Any help and advice very gratefully received.
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Thanks, Tim



motors for Wrightlines WW1 Simplex

 

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Hi all,
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I’m just wondering what experience you all might have of building the Wrightlines WW1 Simplex “Tin Turtles”? I have a kit W225 and was wondering about the best way to motorise it.
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Should I use a Keykits motor-bogey, or perhaps a Black-Beetle? Does the KB scale chassis fit?
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Also are there any other little extra details or known issues with the kit?
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Any help and advice very gratefully received.
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Thanks, Tim


Re: The Stronalacher Saga

 

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Mark,
I use the .png as the bases of all my artwork, however when it comes to doing makersplates or anything requiring fine detail such as lettering etc.. I draw the artwork 10 times larger, and then take that file into Coral Draw and reduce it to the required actual size, that way I can etch lettering that is perhaps only .2mm. high [point two millimetre]
See photos of other models I have built all fully etched chassis and body work.
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Brian
Rawbelle County Workshops
Qld. Aust.
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Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 3:37 PM
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Hi Brian,

I'm seriously impressed if you do your own etching! It also explains why you don't have any issues using a bitmap format for the images: PNG is a bitmap format. As to scaling I didn't? mean for scaling the entire artwork for differing modelling scales, more changing the size of a part if you initially mis-measured etc. Clearly if you do the entire process yourself (still really impressed by that!) then you'll have found a process that works perfectly for you, I'd just be concerned for anyone starting out from scratch and wanting to have a company do the actual etching, and in that instance I'd strongly suggest they use a vector drawing program or at least check with the etcher first before investing lots of time in producing drawings as bitmaps,

Mark


On 12/10/16 20:56, rallim56@... [O14] wrote:
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Mark,
While it is possible to save drawings in a multitude of file types with Paintshop Pro, I save all my artwork as “.png” [Portable Network Graphic], and I do all my own etching, as far as “scaling” goes artwork cannot be successfully enlarged or reduced to suit a particular scale, because the artwork if done properly is designed to use a particular material thickness, if you were to reduce the artwork in size, that would mean you also reduce the width of the fold lines and after the etching is done you wouldn’t get the brass to fold neatly on those lines because the lines would be too fine.
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Brian
Rawbelle County Workshops
Qld. Aust.
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Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 4:04 PM
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Without wanting to suggest that you are doing anything wrong Brian, I'd suggest that anyone wanting to learn to produce artwork for etching avoids using Paintshop Pro or any other bitmap based software. There are two reasons for this 1) bitmap based drawings can be difficult to edit, especially scaling and 2) most companies will refuse to take bitmap artwork for etching now. Brian, I assume you have a local company you've been using for a while and as they know your artwork point 2 is slightly less relevant.

For those starting to learn to draw the artwork what you really want to look at isn't necessarily CAD? (which can be expensive and difficult to learn) but a vector drawing programme (I use a free programme called Inkscape: ). The difference between these two types of programmes is that a bitmap image just records the colour of each pixel whereas a vector image is essentially a set of instructions for how to draw the image. This means that scaling an image becomes easy as you just change the instructions, and lines etc. remain smooth rather than becoming jagged as they do in a bitmap. It's also easy to move parts around as again you just change the instructions so the starting point for a shape changes (all done through the normal drawing tool interactions you don't have to worry about the maths yourself). One of the companies many people in the UK use is PPD Ltd and they have a set of guides for producing artwork that are a good starting point for understanding the process:

All this of course only refers to how you produce the drawings, and so anyone starting out would do well to avail themselves of Brian's very kind offer to help with basic techniques and issues like fold points etc. that can easily catch out the unwary.

If you are going to ExpoNG then talking to Stephen on the Narrow Planet stand might be a good idea as he's been producing etch artwork for a number of years, not only for name/number plates but also for their range of kits, as well as custom pieces -- I'm slightly biased here as I designed their OO9 kit of the 24hp Hudson-Hunslet diesel loco.

Hope that helps,

Mark


On 12/10/16 01:13, rallim56@... [O14] wrote:
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Colin,
Making your own etchings isn’t as hard to do as you may think, the set up cost for the basic items will cost you about AUD$600 or about 300UK pound, the hard part is learning to design your own artwork, instead of using CAD I use Paintshop Pro7 and instead of actually working is a scale I simply use pixels at 72000 resolution each pixel is equal to .1mm. so I can etch components as accurate as within .1mm.
Anyone who would like to learn how to accurately draw there artwork you can contact me, I can teach you the basic techniques of how I start to work out how to establish the fold points etc.
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Brian
Rawbelle County Workshops
Qld. Aust.
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Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 9:32 AM
To: O14@...
Subject: Re: [O14] Re: The Stronalacher Saga
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Thanks Guys
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We have Expong coming up so I hope to be able to talk to a few people who are making 3D prints in 009, I realise that if making a brass etch kit was easy we would all be doing them, that said, I do take my hat off to you guys who spend your time making these kits for the rest of us to b***er up, I am not going to promise anything as it could all change over night so to speak, but the idea behind this thread was to see if any of the locos I listed where produced in brass for 014, I think I have the answer is generally no.
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That said, I am sure Wrightlines used to do Prince and the Darjeeling B tank and we know that EDM will have the L&BR 2-6-2 kit at some stage, and I think chivers fines lines used to do a 7mm scale Vale of Rheidol 2-6-2 as well, but I am sure the others don't have kits, so there is a lot of scratch building to do in that case.????
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There is one photo of the 4mm version of Stronalacher which always makes me go Wow after all this time and the Darjeeling Garrett with a long slate train on a Wooden trestle bridge, I think that would look really cool in 014, it was about 5ft in 009, that would be somewhere near 2.6 metres in length in 014.
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Regards
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Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 9:01 PM
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From what I have seen and heard, a lot of etchings that have been done in the past, they have tried to use too thick of a material which means it is very hard to get folds correct, all of the etching I do is designed to use .4mm. brass sheet, sometimes after spending countless hours designing the artwork, the first test etch will reveal some problems, mainly because I got mixed up with which side some fold points had to be on. Take a look at the photos of a 91 Class SAR loco I am building, and study the steps, one photos shows both sides of the steps as etched and also what the steps look like after being folded, all one piece each.
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Rawbelle County Workshops
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Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 1:11 AM
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Very true.
Producing a working CAD drawing that can be turned in to a pattern or an etch takes a bit of doing for 3D parts you need to add shrinkage factors these change depending on the material being used to cast the item.
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For etches you have to flatten the part add bending lines which change depending on thickness of material and the level of distortion you need.
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I have lost count of the number of etches I have ditched and started again with.

And if you want to just produce a 3D print all parts have interlock or be drawn from a solid as if it's just touching and unioned the printer will see two parts not one.
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I produced our first kit in 1999 and I'm still getting things wrong on test etches and you would never know until you build the prototype.
Marc

On 11 Oct 2016, at 15:58, 'Frank Sharp' frank.j.sharp@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:

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Colin,

I think you'll find a major difference between a drawing of a loco even in CAD and what is needed for an etched kit. The 7mm Narrow Gauge Association has books of drawings but most predate home CAD systems and were probably done originally by someone to scratch build a model. A lot of the ones published in NG&IRMR are proper works drawings. Both sources need treating with care, in the former case one doesn't know how much information the draughtsman had and in the latter you need to watch what was actually built as opposed to what was designed. All of course, thanks to someone's, efforts far better than nothing at all.

Nothing like publishing anything for some further information to crawl out of the woodwork and make a fool of you.

Frank

From: O14@... [mailto:O14@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 11 October, 2016 14:57
To: O14@...
Subject: Re: [O14] Re: The Stronalacher Saga

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Hi Paul

I might be wrong in thinking this, but for me an 014 loco kit will need to have weight, I would guess that if I had a half decent computer and the Auto Cad programme I would have a go at producing 7mm drawings to make up brass etched kits and to also make the masters for the 3D Cad castings as well.

I think 014 has a lot going for it, and if I had the space then I would consider building a model in this size, One thing which I am surprised with and that is the lack of narrow gauge loco and rolling stock Cad drawings which are available (you watch, some one will come on here now and tell me where I can find them), but why stop there? as you are half way to getting an etch of that item done.

May be it is just me getting older and trying to cope with all this new technology.

Regards

Colin

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Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2016 12:20 PM

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There was a kit actually for the Darjeeling Garratt in 7mm scale and I have seen the etchings and resin castings, now in the possession of a friend and 7mm NGA member.? BUT this was, I gather, one of just two test etches and has never been released.? If anyone can track? down its heritage then the possibility remains!!

Paul