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Association of Large Scale Railway Modeelers SHOW MANCHESTER SUNDAY ONLT
开云体育ALSRM Northern Show Manchester (incorporating scale O Bolton), supported by the Gauge 0 Guild.
? Full catering facilities on site as well as a licensed bar with real ale. Free car parks on site and ample on-street parking. ? ? Admission ?7, accompanied children and partners free. Association and Guild members ?6.00 ? This year, there’s 15 O Gauge, 2 Gauge 1 and a Gauge 3 test track (electric and battery locomotives, no live steam), as well?27 traders, numerous societies and demos. ? ? Among 'numerous societies' The 7mm Narrow Gauge Association will be there. Layouts: Bont Faen East Dean Foston Mills Franklin Lough Motive Power Depot Marsh Lane (new layout) OG Test Track Pistyll Graig Ddu Teign House Sidings Tilsdown Ullapool Vintage Tinplate layout Wolfe Lowe Yeoman's Quay Low Hill Hetton Colliery (G1) Moordale (G1) G3 test track
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From: O14@... [mailto:O14@...] Sent: 05 February 2015 13:58 To: O14@... Subject: [O14] Re: Rolling Road
Pardon my typo - that should read 014!
Noel
---In O14@..., <noeladams@...> wrote : Tim
According to their website, Finney & Smith still have residual stocks
of Bachrus rolling roads. ?I use the Bachrus model 50 for my 12mm gauge
models - it will accommodate up to P4, so should suit )14.
Noel
---In O14@..., wrote : Can anyone
recommend a supplier of a good rolling road? I have a couple of locos that need
some exercise.
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O14, of
course.
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Thanks in
advance, Tim
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Pardon my typo - that should read 014! Noel ---In O14@..., <noeladams@...> wrote : Tim According to their website, Finney & Smith still have residual stocks of Bachrus rolling roads. ?I use the Bachrus model 50 for my 12mm gauge models - it will accommodate up to P4, so should suit )14. Noel ---In O14@..., <halketfamily@...> wrote : Can anyone recommend
a supplier of a good rolling road? I have a couple of locos that need some
exercise. ? O14, of
course. ? Thanks in advance,
Tim ? ? ? |
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Re: Rolling Road
Tim
According to their website, Finney & Smith still have residual stocks of Bachrus rolling roads. ?I use the Bachrus model 50 for my 12mm gauge models - it will accommodate up to P4, so should suit )14. Noel ---In O14@..., <halketfamily@...> wrote : Can anyone recommend
a supplier of a good rolling road? I have a couple of locos that need some
exercise. ? O14, of
course. ? Thanks in advance,
Tim ? ? ? |
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Re: Rolling Road
开云体育Tim, I use a Bachrus Series 50 Saddle. Very good ... ... but helping John Clutterbuck at Swanley last year I noticed?how very differently a loco behaves when towing and hauling itself up or down grades and reverse curves. There's nothing like a layout to run a loco in. David H (still longing for Pig!) ? To: O14@... From: O14@... Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 11:53:28 +0000 Subject: [O14] Rolling Road ? Can anyone recommend
a supplier of a good rolling road? I have a couple of locos that need some
exercise.
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O14, of
course.
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Thanks in advance,
Tim
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Rolling Road
开云体育Can anyone recommend
a supplier of a good rolling road? I have a couple of locos that need some
exercise.
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O14, of
course.
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Thanks in advance,
Tim
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Re: Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics
开云体育I am about 200klm inland, more or less, directly west of Bundaberg, and
yep!! we got that sparky stuff here too!
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Brian
Qld. Aust. ? From: mailto:O14@...
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 10:23 PM
To: O14@...
Subject: RE: [O14] Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics ?
Gee Brian, we got that new fangled electricity! ? Where in Queensland? My cousin's daughter is trying to dry out Aborigines (if that is politically correct) somewhere on the Gulf Of Carpentaria, on the east coast of Queensland across from Cairns. Cut off now by the rainy season I believe. ? Frank ? From:
O14@... [mailto:O14@...] ? ? Frank, Kerosene, same stuff you use in lamps etc. ? Brian ? From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 8:41 PM To: O14@... Subject: RE: [O14] Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics ? Brian, ? Divided by a common language, please what is Kero? ? Frank ? From: O14@... [mailto:O14@...]
? ? The one thing a lot of people don’t do is after you have clean your airbrush, don’t just leave it that way, pour some kero into a lid and allow the straw of the airbrush suck some in so you are blowing kero out in a mist, then dunk it back in again and one small squirt and leave the airbrush with the kero in it, thinners is very harmful to O rings by leaving the kero in the gun it keeps the O rings nice and soft, I leave my airbrush this way for 6-7 months of the year because I am away from home, when I next want to use it I just pour some thinners into a lid and start sucking it through the airbrush allow the straw to blow itself clean a few times and it is then ready to start painting again. ? ? Brian ? No virus
found in this message. No virus found in this
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Re: Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics
开云体育Gee Brian, we got that new fangled electricity! ? Where in Queensland? My cousin's daughter is trying to dry out Aborigines (if that is politically correct) somewhere on the Gulf Of Carpentaria, on the east coast of Queensland across from Cairns. Cut off now by the rainy season I believe. ? Frank ? From: O14@... [mailto:O14@...]
Sent: 02 February 2015 11:46 To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics ? ? Frank, Kerosene, same stuff you use in lamps etc. ? Brian ? From: mailto:O14@... Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 8:41 PM To: O14@... Subject: RE: [O14] Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics ? Brian, ? Divided by a common language, please what is Kero? ? Frank ? From: O14@... [mailto:O14@...] ? ? The one thing a lot of people don’t do is after you have clean your airbrush, don’t just leave it that way, pour some kero into a lid and allow the straw of the airbrush suck some in so you are blowing kero out in a mist, then dunk it back in again and one small squirt and leave the airbrush with the kero in it, thinners is very harmful to O rings by leaving the kero in the gun it keeps the O rings nice and soft, I leave my airbrush this way for 6-7 months of the year because I am away from home, when I next want to use it I just pour some thinners into a lid and start sucking it through the airbrush allow the straw to blow itself clean a few times and it is then ready to start painting again. ? ? Brian ? No virus found in this message. |
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Re: Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics
开云体育Frank,
Kerosene, same stuff you use in lamps etc.
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Brian
Qld. Aust. ? From: mailto:O14@...
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 8:41 PM
To: O14@...
Subject: RE: [O14] Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics ?
Brian, ? Divided by a common language, please what is Kero? ? Frank ? From:
O14@... [mailto:O14@...] ? ? The one thing a lot of people don’t do is after you have clean your airbrush, don’t just leave it that way, pour some kero into a lid and allow the straw of the airbrush suck some in so you are blowing kero out in a mist, then dunk it back in again and one small squirt and leave the airbrush with the kero in it, thinners is very harmful to O rings by leaving the kero in the gun it keeps the O rings nice and soft, I leave my airbrush this way for 6-7 months of the year because I am away from home, when I next want to use it I just pour some thinners into a lid and start sucking it through the airbrush allow the straw to blow itself clean a few times and it is then ready to start painting again. ? ? Brian ? No virus found in this
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Re: Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics
开云体育Alastair, ? Little wonder that you cannot identify a particular prototype. The 7mm model, and I assume the 4mm one, has the front tank shape of the last UK built batch. They were welded, but the kit is riveted as the earlier batches. However the earlier batches had a different tank profile, and I think even that varied between batches. As far as I know they were all on cast not spoked wheels, certainly the last UK batch were as I have the drawings. On the kit the frames on the inside ends finish just past the inner wheel, they didn't, there was quite a bit further in than that. ? Once in service it has been said that no two had identical plumbing, but you try to find a picture of both sides of any one at about the same date! Some of the early rivet tanks must have corroded at the bottom, because there are pictures of some of them with rivet tops and presumably replacement flush (welded) side panels. ?You'll even find the plates differed, some having Afrikaans at the top, English at the bottom, some vice versa. I speculate that brass was valuable so got nicked! ? Still, Backwoods are to be thanked that we have the kit at all. ? Frank ? ? ? ? From: O14@... [mailto:O14@...]
Sent: 02 February 2015 11:06 To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics ? ? Hi, ? Looks like a superb model Kevin, extremely neat work. I am just wondering if you made any modifications to the kit? ? I'm assuming that the Backwoods 7mm NGG16 is essentially the 009 version but 'shot-up'?? ? I have two of the 4mm versions that need a visit to the paint shop before selling-on and I'm tempted to get one of the 7mm kits.However, I'm not totally sure if the 4mm version is based on a particular prototype of these locomotives. When I've tried to compare the components of the 4mm version to prototype pictures I've had a hard job settling on some details. It's difficult to know if the SAR made modifications or whether a few compromises were made in the kit design - understandable in smaller scales but harder to get away with in 7mm! ? Thanks, ? Alastair ? ? |
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Re: Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics
开云体育Alastair The 7mm version is sort of `shot up’.? The orginal artwork was drawn to 8mm scale and so photo reduced by half to produce the 4mm model. The 7mm model has less reduction and, therefore, less reduction of the errors that arise from hand drawn artwork. As for a prototype it’s a medley of the various batches of NGG16’s ·???????? I am part way through building several and things that spring to mind without really re-visiting them (have touched them for a while) are: - ·???????? The tanks are the right shape for the later welded ones but are covered in rivets ·???????? The rear of the bogie frames are just plain missing where they should go around the inner 2’s of the 2-6-2 ·???????? The valve gear is 1970’s triang in appearance and needs a lot of work, in particular the combination lever is way too long. (I hate engines in mid gear too) ·???????? The flycranks are wrong. Two aspects here. One is the kit hasn’t noticed that each axle in the bogie has different shaped cranks and the other is the cranks are made from multiple layers which being hand drawn rather than cut and paste CAD have significant variations requiring a lot of fettling. I have had some profile milled ? As ever the real things play musical bits. You have to work from a photo. ? Paul ? |
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Re: Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics
Hi, Looks like a superb model Kevin, extremely neat work. I am just wondering if you made any modifications to the kit? I have two of the 4mm versions that need a visit to the paint shop before selling-on and I'm tempted to get one of the 7mm kits.However, I'm not totally sure if the 4mm version is based on a particular prototype of these locomotives. When I've tried to compare the components of the 4mm version to prototype pictures I've had a hard job settling on some details. It's difficult to know if the SAR made modifications or whether a few compromises were made in the kit design - understandable in smaller scales but harder to get away with in 7mm! Thanks, Alastair ? On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 10:53 AM, 'Bruce Wood' bruce.wood@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:
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Re: Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics
开云体育Frank,
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“Kero” is short for Kerosene, which in some countries is referred to as
Paraffin.
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I hope this helps?
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Bruce Wood
? From: mailto:O14@...
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 9:41 PM
To: O14@...
Subject: RE: [O14] Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics ?
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Brian,
Divided by a common language, please what is Kero?
Frank
From: O14@... [mailto:O14@...]
? The one thing a lot of people don’t do is after you have clean your airbrush, don’t just leave it that way, pour some kero into a lid and allow the straw of the airbrush suck some in so you are blowing kero out in a mist, then dunk it back in again and one small squirt and leave the airbrush with the kero in it, thinners is very harmful to O rings by leaving the kero in the gun it keeps the O rings nice and soft, I leave my airbrush this way for 6-7 months of the year because I am away from home, when I next want to use it I just pour some thinners into a lid and start sucking it through the airbrush allow the straw to blow itself clean a few times and it is then ready to start painting again. Brian |
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Re: Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics
Kero=kerosene=paraffin Regards
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Re: Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics
开云体育>> Divided by a common language, please what is Kero?<< Guessing paraffin aka Kerosene ? |
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Re: Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics
开云体育Brian, ? Divided by a common language, please what is Kero? ? Frank ? From: O14@... [mailto:O14@...]
Sent: 02 February 2015 04:14 To: O14@... Subject: Re: [O14] Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics ? ? The one thing a lot of people don’t do is after you have clean your airbrush, don’t just leave it that way, pour some kero into a lid and allow the straw of the airbrush suck some in so you are blowing kero out in a mist, then dunk it back in again and one small squirt and leave the airbrush with the kero in it, thinners is very harmful to O rings by leaving the kero in the gun it keeps the O rings nice and soft, I leave my airbrush this way for 6-7 months of the year because I am away from home, when I next want to use it I just pour some thinners into a lid and start sucking it through the airbrush allow the straw to blow itself clean a few times and it is then ready to start painting again. ? ? Brian ? |
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Re: Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics
开云体育The one thing a lot of people don’t do is after you have clean your
airbrush, don’t just leave it that way, pour some kero into a lid and allow the
straw of the airbrush suck some in so you are blowing kero out in a mist, then
dunk it back in again and one small squirt and leave the airbrush with the kero
in it, thinners is very harmful to O rings by leaving the kero in the gun it
keeps the O rings nice and soft, I leave my airbrush this way for 6-7 months of
the year because I am away from home, when I next want to use it I just pour
some thinners into a lid and start sucking it through the airbrush allow the
straw to blow itself clean a few times and it is then ready to start painting
again.
?
?
Brian
Qld. Aust. ? From: mailto:O14@...
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 11:55 AM
To: O14@...
Subject: Re: [O14] Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics ?
Hi Folks,
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I find the best method of learning how to airbrush, is to teach yourself.
Read the theory from magazines or internet etc (ie. paint to be thinned to the
consistency of milk etc), and then teach yourself the practical side. See what
happens when paint is too thin / too thick, see what happens when the airbrush
is too close / too far from the work piece, what happens when the pressure is
too high / too low etc, what if the needle in your airbrush is not a good choice
for the paint you are using, what happens if your air cap on the airbrush is not
sealed properly? I am sure that we all have some old paint sitting in cupboards,
which will be perfect for training purposes. I suggest used kitchen containers
are good for test work pieces, especially cans from soup or fruit or soft drink
etc. Just make sure that they are properly cleaned to the same level of
preparation as your model. The weather can also be an important factor in your
painting results. Cold damp weather is not good for painting for many paints.
?
My experience has been knowing what not to do, has made me a much better
painter, and when things are not going as they should, you need to quickly
identify what is wrong. The more times you dis-assemble your airbrush for
cleaning, the more comfortable you will get using it. I have seen some
first-class paint jobs from modellers with very basic equipment, and I have also
seen some disastrous efforts from modellers with very expensive equipment. This
all comes back to the users knowledge and skills in operating their
equipment.
?
Last piece of advice – painting can be very unforgiving when it goes all
wrong. Make sure when you set-up your airbrush for a painting session, do so
some test painting first on some scrap material, and have that feeling of
confidence, before allowing the airbrush anywhere near the model!
?
Cheers
Bruce Wood
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From: mailto:O14@...
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 11:11 AM
To: O14@...
Subject: RE: [O14] Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics ? ?
Hi Frank, I undertook an airbrushing course.? Whilst basic, I would recommend doing one as it may help to de-mystify the tool. Regards On Feb 2, 2015 11:01 AM, "'Frank Sharp' frank.j.sharp@...
[O14]" <O14@...>
wrote:
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Re: Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics
开云体育And one thing you forgot Rod, make sure you put on a pair of disposable
latex rubber gloves, so you don’t put your lunch hooks on the bare clean brass,
or you may find problems getting paint to stick where you left your finger
prints.
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Brian
Qld. Aust. ? From: mailto:O14@...
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 9:38 AM
To: O14@...
Subject: RE: [O14] Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics ?
Hi Frank, I was a little flippant.? My intent was to show the previous writers that air brushing is not that frightening.? If in doubt I would recommend Tim Shackleton's airbrushing DVDs. My steps for brass painting: 1. Lightly grit blast. PS: my little Garratt is a HOn30 unit as used by Victorian Railways NG lines in Australia. Regards On Feb 1, 2015 11:33 PM, "'Frank Sharp' frank.j.sharp@...
[O14]" <O14@...>
wrote:
No virus found in this
message. |
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Re: Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics
开云体育Hi Folks,
?
I find the best method of learning how to airbrush, is to teach yourself.
Read the theory from magazines or internet etc (ie. paint to be thinned to the
consistency of milk etc), and then teach yourself the practical side. See what
happens when paint is too thin / too thick, see what happens when the airbrush
is too close / too far from the work piece, what happens when the pressure is
too high / too low etc, what if the needle in your airbrush is not a good choice
for the paint you are using, what happens if your air cap on the airbrush is not
sealed properly? I am sure that we all have some old paint sitting in cupboards,
which will be perfect for training purposes. I suggest used kitchen containers
are good for test work pieces, especially cans from soup or fruit or soft drink
etc. Just make sure that they are properly cleaned to the same level of
preparation as your model. The weather can also be an important factor in your
painting results. Cold damp weather is not good for painting for many paints.
?
My experience has been knowing what not to do, has made me a much better
painter, and when things are not going as they should, you need to quickly
identify what is wrong. The more times you dis-assemble your airbrush for
cleaning, the more comfortable you will get using it. I have seen some
first-class paint jobs from modellers with very basic equipment, and I have also
seen some disastrous efforts from modellers with very expensive equipment. This
all comes back to the users knowledge and skills in operating their
equipment.
?
Last piece of advice – painting can be very unforgiving when it goes all
wrong. Make sure when you set-up your airbrush for a painting session, do so
some test painting first on some scrap material, and have that feeling of
confidence, before allowing the airbrush anywhere near the model!
?
Cheers
Bruce Wood
? From: mailto:O14@...
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2015 11:11 AM
To: O14@...
Subject: RE: [O14] Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics ?
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Hi Frank, I undertook an airbrushing course.? Whilst basic, I would recommend doing one as it may help to de-mystify the tool. Regards On Feb 2, 2015 11:01 AM, "'Frank Sharp' frank.j.sharp@...
[O14]" <O14@...>
wrote:
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Re: Ngg16 .110 pre-painted pics
Hi Frank, I undertook an airbrushing course.? Whilst basic, I would recommend doing one as it may help to de-mystify the tool. Regards
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Noel
David Hughes
Paul Martin