Hulme End carriage bodies
At the Hulme End terminus of the Leek and Manifold, the NSR donated a pair of old 4 wheel carriage bodies. The bicycle store was a 4 compartment compo I think and the mess room was a full brake. Page 147 RCL Grattan book.
The questions are - what diagram are they, are there any drawings and are there even any etchings?
Help please
Paul
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Then there is the lady who drove her husband¡¯s brand new jag from Manchester to London in 2nd because she thought it was an automatic ¡
Gary
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Your
story of the old lady with the Morris Minor brought back a memory
from about 45 years ago. ?A friend of my wife gave us a lift in -
yes - her Morris Minor. ?She had just had a reconditioned engine
fitted and had been advised to take it easy for the first 1000
miles. ?Her solution was to do the whole trip in 1st and 2nd gear!
?Some of these old tales are true, it seems.
In that vein there is the
story of the elderly lady owner of a Morris Minor who was
getting very low mpg figures from her car. When the garage mechanic
couldn't understand why he suggested they do a test drive with her
at the wheel. After getting in the first thing she did was pull out
the choke knob and hang her handbag on it, which she said she always
did for the whole of a journey!!
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That's a good idea Frank. ?A couple of my locos could do with some minor attention from that point of view.
Your story of the old lady with the Morris Minor brought back a memory from about 45 years ago. ?A friend of my wife gave us a lift in - yes - her Morris Minor. ?She had just had a reconditioned engine fitted and had been advised to take it easy for the first 1000 miles. ?Her solution was to do the whole trip in 1st and 2nd gear! ?Some of these old tales are true, it seems.
Noel ---In O14@..., <frank.j.sharp@...> wrote : One advantage of a rolling road is when a loco is binding. Mark a wheel rim, put an analogue ammeter in circuit and watch the needle flick and note the position of the wheel. ? Doesn't work with a digital meter, they don't sample often enough, and don't be fooled by a binding roller. ? I loco pulling on curves does run in better and faster, but try a second or two with the loco running and a heavy hand pressing down on it. A bit like the tale of the old lady driving a Morris Minor, 6000 on the clock, but not run in. Pick a straight road, get it up to 60, drop it into second, that sorted it. ? Frank
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Rolling roads don't show up that sort of behaviour, but of course my Bacchrus was still invaluable?for running in and I'd thoroughly recommend one.
Agreed, find my rolling road really useful for initial running in and fault finding. But this needs combining with running on a layout to see whether your loco goes up and down and round curves. Speaking from experience with a couple of my builds ?and their first runs on Henmore being less than successful. Meanwhile, I am planning to replace my 'test track'?- a straight length of track - with a circular version comprising rising and falling grades and reverse-curves. Of course, that takes rather more room than I'm used to devoting to test purposes, so I guess it may well become a layout!
Think there are quite a few small layouts out there which have been built as scenic test layouts, they also give you somewhere nicer to photograph newly built stock than the average shelf in the study shot!
Cheers,
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One advantage of a rolling road is when a loco is binding. Mark a wheel rim, put an analogue ammeter in circuit and watch the needle flick and note the position of the wheel. ? Doesn't work with a digital meter, they don't sample often enough, and don't be fooled by a binding roller. ? I loco pulling on curves does run in better and faster, but try a second or two with the loco running and a heavy hand pressing down on it. A bit like the tale of the old lady driving a Morris Minor, 6000 on the clock, but not run in. Pick a straight road, get it up to 60, drop it into second, that sorted it. ? Frank
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I?haven't yet had to do anything quite so drastic as remove flanges,?but my 0-4-2 Decauville ran happily around PLR in its home?and yet struggled at ExpoNG. The difference was?that at ExpoNG it was hauling a white metal wagon full of white metal figures for the 'railway enthusiasts' special', which made it sit back on its rear driving wheels and lose traction. Rolling roads don't show up that sort of behaviour, but of course my Bacchrus was still invaluable?for running in and I'd thoroughly recommend one. Meanwhile, I am planning to replace my 'test track'?- a straight length of track - with a circular version comprising rising and falling grades and reverse-curves. Of course, that takes rather more room than I'm used to devoting to test purposes, so I guess it may well become a layout! David H ?
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Quite right John. ? I eventually removed the flanges from the centre driving wheels of two six-coupled locos to help them negotiate the tight curves in my fiddle yard. ?The Bachrus rolling road didn't warn me of this of course. Noel ---In O14@..., <jclutterbuck2001@...> wrote : I have a some Bachrus ones and they work well. However, as we discovered at ExpoNG locos that had been well run in only on rolling roads still may have issues when they first tackle curves and gradients.
John
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The Hobby holidays chassis jig has a rolling roads feature and can be made for any gauge. Speak to the owner, I found him very helpful.
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Kevin, The turning process allows the pressure on the hub of the wheel to
equalize as the axle slides through, and also stops the end of the axle from
gouging the inner face of the hub.
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Brian
Qld.
Aust.
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Hi David
I
just read the article, and i was not rotating the chuck.i will try after work.
fingers crossed. I meant wobble not buckled
thanks
for your help
kevin
On Thursday, 13 November 2014, 10:05,
"David John davidphillipjohn@... [O14]"
wrote:
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5957
Hi
Kevin
What
do you mean by 'buckled"?? I described my pragmatic approach to mounting
wheels with a drill press in a post in July (5957 on the 014 Group
correspondence log).? If you support your 2nd wheel evenly it should not
buckle.
It
should run true if you are careful and apply gentle even pressure throughout the
process.? After my article on the wheel-press someone said they had
achieved something similar using a GW Models quartering tool and an 014 back to
back gauge.? If you put a wobbly wheelset into this sort of press overnight
(say) the plastic will give a little and the wheelset will run true.?
?
If
that doesn't work contact me via the Rhyd web-site and we can explore other
options.? rs
David
www.rhyd.weebly.com
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From:
"kevin MacIntosh kelf28@... [O14]"
To:
"O14@..."
Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2014, 9:38
Subject: [O14] wheels
and presses
?
?
Hi all
?
OK
I need help.? David(KBscale) sent me a few wheel for my South African
rolling stock, 176 to be exact. I thought it would be simple. Use a drill press
and push the axle through the wheel. BUT NO< NOTHING IS SIMPLE. I get one
wheel on perfect, the 2nd is buckled. My back to back is fine, its just this
issue.
?
So
i looked up the wheel press on the 014 groups page. and saw one that John.C
ownes or built. Are there any 014 wheel presses on the market? would any one be
willing to fabricate me a press?
?
please
any help would be brilliant. as i dont know what im doing wrong AAARRGGH.
?
Kind
Regards
Kevin
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John,
Very wise words!!
Adrian
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I have a some Bachrus ones and they work well. However, as we discovered at ExpoNG locos that had been well run in only on rolling roads still may have issues when they first tackle curves and gradients.
John
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Hi,
I don't know if they are still going , but Finney and Smith , used to produce a very versatile rolling road called the "Bachrus series 40 rolling road ", which was adjustable down to 14mm.
Their website is, ?
Regards,
Ralph,
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Hi All
do any of you know of a 14mm gauge rolling roads, to test my locos on (garratts)
regards Kevin
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On 13 November 2014 13:24, noeladams@... [O14] <O14@...> wrote:
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Kevin The Bachrus Series 50 rolling road is adjustable from 10mm to 23mm gauge. Finney and Smith sell them and as far as I can make out from their website they still have them. Best of luck Noel
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Kevin The Bachrus Series 50 rolling road is adjustable from 10mm to 23mm gauge. Finney and Smith sell them and as far as I can make out from their website they still have them. Best of luck Noel
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Kevin
Try Paul Martin at EDM Models.?
I made mine from a vari-gauge set from DCC Suplies and made new spacer blocks for 14mm for each roller-set.? It does work fine but there are better things to do with life than filing and finishing 8 spacer blocks all exactly the same.
Next time I will buy a thing-of-purpose!
Cheers
David
From: "kevin MacIntosh kelf28@... [O14]"
To: "O14@..."
Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2014, 11:15
Subject: [O14] Rolling roads 14mm gauge
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Hi All
do any of you know of a 14mm gauge rolling roads, to test my locos on (garratts)
regards Kevin
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Hi All
do any of you know of a 14mm gauge rolling roads, to test my locos on (garratts)
regards Kevin
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Hi David
I just read the article, and i was not rotating the chuck.i will try after work. fingers crossed. I meant wobble not buckled
thanks for your help
kevin
On Thursday, 13 November 2014, 10:05, "David John davidphillipjohn@... [O14]" wrote:
?
5957
Hi Kevin
What do you mean by 'buckled"?? I described my pragmatic approach to mounting wheels with a drill press in a post in July (5957 on the 014 Group correspondence log).? If you support your 2nd wheel evenly it should not buckle.
It should run true if you are careful and apply gentle even pressure throughout the process.? After my article on the wheel-press someone said
they had achieved something similar using a GW Models quartering tool and an 014 back to back gauge.? If
you put a wobbly wheelset into this sort of press overnight (say) the plastic will give a little and the wheelset will run true.?? If that doesn't work contact me via the Rhyd web-site and we can explore other options.? rs
David
www.rhyd.weebly.com
From: "kevin MacIntosh kelf28@... [O14]"
To: "O14@..."
Sent: Thursday, 13
November 2014, 9:38
Subject: [O14] wheels and presses
?
Hi all
OK I need help. ?David(KBscale) sent me a few wheel for my South African rolling stock, 176 to be exact. I thought it would be simple. Use a drill press and push the axle through the wheel. BUT NO< NOTHING IS SIMPLE. I get one wheel on perfect, the 2nd is buckled. My back to back is fine, its just this issue.
So i looked up the wheel press on the 014 groups page. and saw one that John.C ownes or built. Are there any 014 wheel presses on the market? would any one be willing to fabricate me a press?
please any help would be brilliant. as i dont know what im doing wrong
AAARRGGH.
Kind Regards Kevin
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5957
Hi Kevin
What do you mean by 'buckled"?? I described my pragmatic approach to mounting wheels with a drill press in a post in July (5957 on the 014 Group correspondence log).? If you support your 2nd wheel evenly it should not buckle.
It should run true if you are careful and apply gentle even pressure throughout the process.? After my article on the wheel-press someone said they had achieved something similar using a GW Models quartering tool and an 014 back to back gauge.? If
you put a wobbly wheelset into this sort of press overnight (say) the plastic will give a little and the wheelset will run true.?? If that doesn't work contact me via the Rhyd web-site and we can explore other options.? rs
David
www.rhyd.weebly.com
From: "kevin MacIntosh kelf28@... [O14]"
To: "O14@..."
Sent: Thursday, 13
November 2014, 9:38
Subject: [O14] wheels and presses
?
Hi all
OK I need help. ?David(KBscale) sent me a few wheel for my South African rolling stock, 176 to be exact. I thought it would be simple. Use a drill press and push the axle through the wheel. BUT NO< NOTHING IS SIMPLE. I get one wheel on perfect, the 2nd is buckled. My back to back is fine, its just this issue.
So i looked up the wheel press on the 014 groups page. and saw one that John.C ownes or built. Are there any 014 wheel presses on the market? would any one be willing to fabricate me a press?
please any help would be brilliant. as i dont know what im doing wrong AAARRGGH.
Kind Regards Kevin
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Hi all
OK I need help. ?David(KBscale) sent me a few wheel for my South African rolling stock, 176 to be exact. I thought it would be simple. Use a drill press and push the axle through the wheel. BUT NO< NOTHING IS SIMPLE. I get one wheel on perfect, the 2nd is buckled. My back to back is fine, its just this issue.
So i looked up the wheel press on the 014 groups page. and saw one that John.C ownes or built. Are there any 014 wheel presses on the market? would any one be willing to fabricate me a press?
please any help would be brilliant. as i dont know what im doing wrong AAARRGGH.
Kind Regards Kevin
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