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New Member
Robin Edwards
Hello to everyone, I have just joined this Group and thought that I should introduce myself. I am Robin Edwards, I live near Gloucester in the UK and I have been modelling in 7mm scale narrow gauge since the mid 1970's. Most of this has been in On16.5 but I have dabbled a bit in 14mm gauge. I have had two On16.5 layouts - both exhibition layouts. My first was a continuous circuit, 13 feet by 6 feet and was called 'Dyffryn Station'. With a name like that it had to be set in Wales and it was extremely simple featuring just a passing loop and three storage loops at the back. This was retired in the early 1990's when I moved into a house in need of extensive renovation. Since then I have built a second exhibition layout - again in On16.5, but this time 'end to end', 20 inches by 15 feet called 'Ashcross Industrial Museum'.
However, my early dabbling into 14mm gauge has been haunting me and I would like to build a fairly small exhibition layout. Recent mailings on the 7mm NGA Group has reminded me of this Group so I thought I should join and get the benefit of the standards and experience of everyone else. I have to admit that I am a very slow worker so if I don't seem to contribute much it is because I am at the moment very much in 'receive' mode! Looking forward to some inspiration and sound advice. Regards, Robin |
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Cheap and ugly
G'day all,
Has anyone tried regauging the Bachmann On30 Porter 0-4-2 to 14mm gauge? I am most of the way though it but have found a problem, not sure what it is yet, either an occasional short or I've buggered up the motor mountings. Would anyone like details on how to do it? Its quite simple. Glad to have some answers to the Romford problem, my Krauss has the wrong wheels so i'll chat to the manufacturer on Monday. Cheers, Mark K Sydney Oz |
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Re: [O-14] Re: The Truth about Romfords (14 mm gauge that is)
Frank Sharp
John,
I hope we are right, partly to stop the flanges from catching the chairs, I have reprofiled 24 wheels this afternoon, including 8 which I have had to take off an already built Fairlie and then put back. I couldn't just dump them, not only the cost but I have milled the spokes back a millimetre so when I put in the overlays they are recessed as on the prototypes. Frank |
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Re: The Truth about Romfords (14 mm gauge that is)
--- In O-14@..., "Frank Sharp" <Frank.J.Sharp@t...> wrote:
I have the answer, I think, to why some of us are in gauge and someout of gauge.would suggest that one is the old 00 standard and is the other the RP25 standard.This could well be the answer. I found the problem with my Backwoods which was supplied with OO wheels + 14mm gauge. I had already done a lot of work on them (e.g. reduce to the correct 8 spokes) so I did not source RP25 replacements. I have reprofiled the flanges as well as skimmed the back to get to the correct Back to Back and Gauge. If others can confirm that the axles ARE correct if RP25 wheels are used then we should lobby all the kit manufacturers to supply RP25 wheels with 14mm axles and not OO wheels. Regards John |
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Another introduction and a layout photo
Hello everyone. I'm building a 2'x3' O14 layout using RCL track
components and rolling stock. Based on the Weydon Hill sand operation shown in the RCL Handbook, I've made one adjustment by moving the larry tip siding to be prominent in the front of the layout and plan to make it similar to that of the Bedford Silica company as shown on the cover of Leleux' recent rolling stock book. Track to the pit will disappear into a tunnel to hidden staging. To put a wrinkle into it, the whole operation is in Argentina, with the SG railroad interchange replaced with a 75cm siding that will hold two bogie opens of the Patagonian Express. To mimic practices found along that line, the overbridge will be of welded channel components, the engine house is planned to be of discarded ties, and the weigh office in corrugated iron. Anathema to traditionalists, I'm sure, but I've wanted to model the Patagonian desert for some time. I've created an Argentine sand layout folder in the Files which has a photo showing benchwork and track arrangement. Progress since the photo includes three switches now nearly complete (working on throwbar components) and the weigh bridge installed--but progress is incredibly slow at this time. I'll take this opportunity to beg Roy to develop a fret with throwbar components as these are tedious to craft and his look so much better than mine! Dave Eggleston Seattle, Washington USA |
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Re: [O-14] RE: The Truth about Romfords (14 mm gauge that is)
Frank Sharp
I have the answer, I think, to why some of us are in gauge and some out
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of gauge. There appear to be two Romford wheel profiles knocking about, I would suggest that one is the old 00 standard and is the other the RP25 standard. I've hit the problem with the old standard. That is why my flanges catch the chairs on C & L track. Not only are the flanges deeper, 1mm, they are thicker. 0.65 mm. If you measure what I think are RP25 wheels, the flanges are 0.8mm deep, and only 0.5mm thick. Hence to get the old profile to come to the same gauge you need to lose 0.15 mm of the boss on the back of each wheel. Now on 00 the axle length over the round part of the axle is 14mm, 2.5 mm less than gauge, but on 14mm axles it is 12.1 mm, 1.9 mm less than gauge. There is 0.6 mm more 'slop' between the flanges and the rail in 00, so the old style wheels can never be tight to gauge in 00, but 14mm track is laid to the smaller 'slop' of EM gauge, and it can get too tight. Now this theoretically means that the back to back has to different, and a set of what I am calling RP25 wheels on an axle are a loose fit on my back to back gauge, and measure at 12.54 , whereas my old wheels with the bosses turned down a fraction are a tight fit, and measure at 12.47. If you put the wheel sets on 14mm track the RP25's have a touch more side play despite the bigger back to back. Deciding the correct point when measuring the flange root to flange root is difficult, but it appears to be larger on the RP25's. Now my problem is that these old wheels have been prepared for use in Festiniog Fairlies, with Wrightlines inserts in place on faces counter sunk with a milling machine to get the right dished look. I have to decide what to do next. If I turn the flanges down in HEIGHT it should solve the catching the chairs problem, but if I turn the THICKNESS of the flange down will they become too sloppy on the track. It is now 1.30 in the morning, I'll post this so those in other time zones can think about it and sort out whether in my tired state I have got the maths somewhere near. Frank -----Original Message-----
From: mattjcoleman@... [mailto:mattjcoleman@...] Sent: 08 December 2004 17:57 To: O-14@... Subject: [O-14] RE: The Truth about Romfords (14 mm gauge that is) Mark, I just checked with the wizards at the 3mm Society and according to them, the Romford 14mm axles were made specifically for 7mm modelders who wanted an accurate 2ft gauge driver. They are not known to be anything other than 14mm. Matt From: Mark Kendrick To: O-14@... Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:50 PM Subject: [O-14] The Truth about Romfords G'day All, I have heard it said that Romford 14mm gauge axles are actually 14.2mm gauge for Sn3. According to John Clutterbug's recently posted standards info (in the files), there is an extra 0.1-0.2mm back to back on Romfords. Does it make all that much difference? I haven't laid any points yet, but the track I have is laid to 14mm exactly (even around 6" radius curves) and the Romfords track fine around it (I come from N using proprietry track so am unaware of the intricacies of handlaid finescale track). From what I can tell (left my calipers at work), its only the flange thickness that is different from the RCL wheelsets. If it does make a difference, would it be a good idea for us all to send our axles back to Romford saying they aren't to the right gauge and asking for suitable replacements? Regards, Mark K Sydney Oz Who spent an enjoyable weekend playing with 1:1 2' gauge trains Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at O-14 Photos area: O-14 Files area: Yahoo! Groups Sponsor < D=groups/S=1706043018:HM/EXP=1102615049/A=2343726/R=0/SIG=12i9deidt/*htt p:/clk.atdmt.com/VON/go/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=110252864921 0501> < D=groups/S=1706043018:HM/EXP=1102615049/A=2343726/R=1/SIG=12i9deidt/*htt p:/clk.atdmt.com/VON/go/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=110252864921 0501> Get unlimited calls to < D=groups/S=1706043018:HM/EXP=1102615049/A=2343726/R=1/SIG=12i9deidt/*htt p:/clk.atdmt.com/VON/go/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=110252864921 0501> U.S./Canada < D=groups/S=1706043018:HM/EXP=1102615049/A=2343726/R=1/SIG=12i9deidt/*htt p:/clk.atdmt.com/VON/go/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=110252864921 0501> < 528649210501> < s/S=:HM/A=2343726/rand=675907763> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: O-14-unsubscribe@... <mailto:O-14-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <> Service. |
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Re: [O-14] RE: The Truth about Romfords (14 mm gauge that is)
Frank Sharp
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of gauge. There appear to be two Romford wheel profiles knocking about, I would suggest that one is the old 00 standard and is the other the RP25 standard. I've hit the problem with the old standard. That is why my flanges catch the chairs on C & L track. Not only are the flanges deeper, 1mm, they are thicker. 0.65 mm. If you measure what I think are RP25 wheels, the flanges are 0.8mm deep, and only 0.5mm thick. Hence to get the old profile to come to the same gauge you need to lose 0.15 mm of the boss on the back of each wheel. Now on 00 the axle length over the round part of the axle is 14mm, 2.5 mm less than gauge, but on 14mm axles it is 12.1 mm, 1.9 mm less than gauge. There is 0.6 mm more 'slop' between the flanges and the rail in 00, so the old style wheels can never be tight to gauge in 00, but 14mm track is laid to the smaller 'slop' of EM gauge, and it can get too tight. Now this theoretically means that the back to back has to different, and a set of what I am calling RP25 wheels on an axle are a loose fit on my back to back gauge, and measure at 12.54 , whereas my old wheels with the bosses turned down a fraction are a tight fit, and measure at 12.47. If you put the wheel sets on 14mm track the RP25's have a touch more side play despite the bigger back to back. Deciding the correct point when measuring the flange root to flange root is difficult, but it appears to be larger on the RP25's. Now my problem is that these old wheels have been prepared for use in Festiniog Fairlies, with Wrightlines inserts in place on faces counter sunk with a milling machine to get the right dished look. I have to decide what to do next. If I turn the flanges down in HEIGHT it should solve the catching the chairs problem, but if I turn the THICKNESS of the flange down will they become too sloppy on the track. It is now 1.30 in the morning, I'll post this so those in other time zones can think about it and sort out whether in my tired state I have got the maths somewhere near. Frank -----Original Message-----
From: mattjcoleman@... [mailto:mattjcoleman@...] Sent: 08 December 2004 17:57 To: O-14@... Subject: [O-14] RE: The Truth about Romfords (14 mm gauge that is) Mark, I just checked with the wizards at the 3mm Society and according to them, the Romford 14mm axles were made specifically for 7mm modelders who wanted an accurate 2ft gauge driver. They are not known to be anything other than 14mm. Matt From: Mark Kendrick To: O-14@... Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:50 PM Subject: [O-14] The Truth about Romfords G'day All, I have heard it said that Romford 14mm gauge axles are actually 14.2mm gauge for Sn3. According to John Clutterbug's recently posted standards info (in the files), there is an extra 0.1-0.2mm back to back on Romfords. Does it make all that much difference? I haven't laid any points yet, but the track I have is laid to 14mm exactly (even around 6" radius curves) and the Romfords track fine around it (I come from N using proprietry track so am unaware of the intricacies of handlaid finescale track). From what I can tell (left my calipers at work), its only the flange thickness that is different from the RCL wheelsets. If it does make a difference, would it be a good idea for us all to send our axles back to Romford saying they aren't to the right gauge and asking for suitable replacements? Regards, Mark K Sydney Oz Who spent an enjoyable weekend playing with 1:1 2' gauge trains Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at O-14 Photos area: O-14 Files area: Yahoo! Groups Sponsor < D=groups/S=1706043018:HM/EXP=1102615049/A=2343726/R=0/SIG=12i9deidt/*htt p:/clk.atdmt.com/VON/go/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=110252864921 0501> < D=groups/S=1706043018:HM/EXP=1102615049/A=2343726/R=1/SIG=12i9deidt/*htt p:/clk.atdmt.com/VON/go/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=110252864921 0501> Get unlimited calls to < D=groups/S=1706043018:HM/EXP=1102615049/A=2343726/R=1/SIG=12i9deidt/*htt p:/clk.atdmt.com/VON/go/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=110252864921 0501> U.S./Canada < D=groups/S=1706043018:HM/EXP=1102615049/A=2343726/R=1/SIG=12i9deidt/*htt p:/clk.atdmt.com/VON/go/yhxxxvon01900091von/direct/01/&time=110252864921 0501> < 528649210501> < s/S=:HM/A=2343726/rand=675907763> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: O-14-unsubscribe@... <mailto:O-14-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <> Service. |
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Re: The Truth about Romfords (14 mm gauge that is)
Mark,
I just checked with the wizards at the 3mm Society and according to them, the Romford 14mm axles were made specifically for 7mm modelders who wanted an accurate 2ft gauge driver. They are not known to be anything other than 14mm. Matt From: Mark Kendrick To: O-14@... Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:50 PM Subject: [O-14] The Truth about Romfords G'day All, I have heard it said that Romford 14mm gauge axles are actually 14.2mm gauge for Sn3. According to John Clutterbug's recently posted standards info (in the files), there is an extra 0.1-0.2mm back to back on Romfords. Does it make all that much difference? I haven't laid any points yet, but the track I have is laid to 14mm exactly (even around 6" radius curves) and the Romfords track fine around it (I come from N using proprietry track so am unaware of the intricacies of handlaid finescale track). From what I can tell (left my calipers at work), its only the flange thickness that is different from the RCL wheelsets. If it does make a difference, would it be a good idea for us all to send our axles back to Romford saying they aren't to the right gauge and asking for suitable replacements? Regards, Mark K Sydney Oz Who spent an enjoyable weekend playing with 1:1 2' gauge trains Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at |
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Re: [O-14] The Truth about Romfords
Stephen Holland
I joined the group last week, then changed phone supplier and the computer went potty. It refused to go on line and would only receive emails. Any attempt to reply got the electronic version of a "raspberry". Hence the late response on wheel standards.
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By way of introduction, I have been working in 14mm gauge since Roy Link first introduced his range of kits, but wanted something a bit larger as well, so I am also building Ffestiniog and Welsh Highland stock. With Romford driving wheels I found I needed to skim 0.15mm off the boss on the back of each wheel, otherwise they climbed over the pointwork built with Roy Links track gauge. I have had no problems with Ultrascale EM profile wheels in this respect, although they do not have the self quartering feature built in and do not rely on a shouldered axle to set the back - to - back dimension. This is not too much of a problem if you are careful with assembly and take things one step at a time when setting up the frames, and I also prefer the Ultrascale crankpins to the Romford ones. Regards Steve ----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Kendrick To: O-14@... Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2004 12:50 PM Subject: [O-14] The Truth about Romfords G'day All, I have heard it said that Romford 14mm gauge axles are actually 14.2mm gauge for Sn3. According to John Clutterbug's recently posted standards info (in the files), there is an extra 0.1-0.2mm back to back on Romfords. Does it make all that much difference? I haven't laid any points yet, but the track I have is laid to 14mm exactly (even around 6" radius curves) and the Romfords track fine around it (I come from N using proprietry track so am unaware of the intricacies of handlaid finescale track). From what I can tell (left my calipers at work), its only the flange thickness that is different from the RCL wheelsets. If it does make a difference, would it be a good idea for us all to send our axles back to Romford saying they aren't to the right gauge and asking for suitable replacements? Regards, Mark K Sydney Oz Who spent an enjoyable weekend playing with 1:1 2' gauge trains Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: O-14-unsubscribe@... c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. |
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Re: [O-14] Track gauges
Frank Sharp
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photo's as track gauges and I think it is O.K. Frank -----Original Message-----
From: Michel MASSOT [mailto:ml.massot@...] Sent: 07 December 2004 07:28 To: O-14@... Subject: Re: [O-14] Digest Number 5 Hi Frank do uou have a drawing of your 14mm gauge regards Michel |
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Re: [O-14] Digest Number 5
Frank Sharp
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I cannot attach in Yahoo groups so I am going to put a picture in the photo section. I usually make a pigs ear of this and the picture is far too big. If I muck it up, I think you will be able to scroll it, and will someone PLEASE tell me what I am doing wrong. There are two gauges. The block is the simple one that Wrightlines sell, I've highlighted the important bit in green. It is only really much good for straightish track. The other is I think from C&L components, possibly intended for EM gauge, I have messed about with C & L chairs on 5mm x 3mm wood sleepers set to narrow gauge spacing and using C & L's bullhead 4mm scale rail. It is a bit fine for 1930's Festiniog, and I'm really waiting until Adrian Gray comments on S gauge society track, but I might still use C & L on the theory that the track is a bit worn and it certainly has the delicate look which I think suits narrow gauge. I might go S gauge track for mainline and C & L for sidings and quarry, with Roy Link's flat bottom for the remoter quarry sections. You need a whisker off the depth of Romfords flanges or they tend to rattle on the inside of the C & L chairs. This is TOTALLY PROTOTYPICAL but doesn't help pickup. Alan Gibson's flanges are shallower and no problem. Any way, back to that EM gauge gauge. As far as I remember the flangeway was too narrow as I bought it for the RCL standard, but if you took it to bits and reversed the two outer discs it comes right. I then turned a bit of brass tubing, or may be it was the original brass spacer, any way I turned it (shortened it) to give the right gauge. I want some three point gauges for making curves, RCL's standard is really narrowed down EM gauge, it hasn't the slop of 00, so I think I need gauge widening. I will find or alter some bolt heads so they fit on the track head. Then drill a bit of plate, brass or aluminium slightly over size holes but to near enough gauge. Get a bit of track, straight and dead to gauge, stand the bolts on the track with the track head in the screw slots and drop the plate over them. Spot 24 hour Araldite to pack the oversize bolt holes, lightly apply nuts and leave to set. I think that should work. I'm sending this then I am going to try to download the picture Frank -----Original Message-----
From: Michel MASSOT [mailto:ml.massot@...] Sent: 07 December 2004 07:28 To: O-14@... Subject: Re: [O-14] Digest Number 5 Hi Frank do uou have a drawing of your 14mm gauge regards Michel ----- Original Message ----- From: <O-14@...> To: <O-14@...> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2004 8:24 AM Subject: [O-14] Digest Number 5 ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ particular doesn't do? He makes curly spokes in 3 sizes. 9, 10.5 and 12mm, andsome of his 00 wheels will also do for narrow gauge. If you are usingstandard you want, he does different wheel profiles, e.g P4. Normal axle lengthusually, on Lima replacement axles at 24.5 mm. These are a better idea in the7mm NGA slate wagons, where you can then fit his waisted bearings. Theyend up so free running they are a devil to shunt with Kay Dees, I amworking on a DCC brake van!in a lathe to 12.45 mm. I drilled two holes on the solid part of thegauge, 2.5 mm diameter and just deep enough so that if you push one end of a26 mm axle set hard into one hole, and then the other end into the sameI think they would probably be O.K. if I didn't mess about with thegauge. for rollingstock made? They could be straight, split or curly spoked, or< D=groups/S=1706043018:HM/EXP=1102422842/A=2434971/R=0/SIG=11eeoolb0/*htt p:/www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60185400> click here< s/S=:HM/A=2434971/rand=329745652>________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________
already makes at least two diameters of curly spoke, 10.5mm and 12mm Port Wynnstay Models) a Festiniog teardrop hole disc wheel. You really need to find out what different axle lengths he makes, and there are a few, as I am sure he will supply wheels off axles to set at your owngauge if asked nicely. He supplies my inside bearing wagon wheels like this.I am willing to make the F.R. wheels available for general use if thereis a demand. Can't send attachments on group but if you wish to view saidwheel contact me off group and I will send the picture.believe Roy Link won't sell his wheels separately, is Gibson the only otherfor rollingstock made? They could be straight, split or curly spoked, orreached as------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Yahoo! Groups Links________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ of your queries.anyone enquired he referred them to me, if there is a demand I will orderextra above and beyond those I need for my kits and supply them, same priceas Alan's other wheels and axles.particular doesn't do? He makes curly spokes in 3 sizes. 9, 10.5 and 12mm, andsome of his 00 wheels will also do for narrow gauge. If you are usingstandard you want, he does different wheel profiles, e.g P4. Normal axlelength is 26 mm but he will also supply, given a couple of days noticeusually, on Lima replacement axles at 24.5 mm. These are a better idea in the7mm NGA slate wagons, where you can then fit his waisted bearings. Theyend up so free running they are a devil to shunt with Kay Dees, I amworking on a DCC brake van!making the wheels for Portwynnstay's inside bearing Festiniog Railwaywagons. Phil, are they your exclusive for the kits or can we buy them from AG or yourself on their own?16.5 gauge brass back to back gauge, 14.5 mm ?, and turned the faces downin a lathe to 12.45 mm. I drilled two holes on the solid part of thegauge, 2.5 mm diameter and just deep enough so that if you push one end of a26 mm axle set hard into one hole, and then the other end into the sameother hole does for 24.5 mm axles.the rims off, and bedding them back with a smear of 24 hour Araldite. TheI think they would probably be O.K. if I didn't mess about with thegauge. for rollingstock made? They could be straight, split or curly spoked, or< D=groups/S=1706043018:HM/EXP=1102422842/A=2434971/R=0/SIG=11eeoolb0/*htt p:/www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60185400> click here< s/S=:HM/A=2434971/rand=329745652>------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------ Yahoo! Groups Links________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ for 3mm Finescale. Being a member of the 3mm society, I would think thatthere would have been a lot of interest had they actually been 14.2 mmgauge. Wheels have been a concern for the 3mm Society for a while and I don't recall any comments about them in the Society newsletter but I mayhave missed it.count. standards infobut the track I have is laid to 14mm exactly (even around 6" radiuscurves) andtrack so am unaware of the intricacies of handlaid finescale track).to Romford saying they aren't to the right gauge and asking for suitable________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ for 3mm Finescale. 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And I can get my wheels to whatever size and shape I want.I'm going to get 12" dia coalskip wheels for myself anyway, and a largersway my decision with a preferred size/shape.________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ get some made, send Adrian Gray a set for review in Narrow Lines, it isgood publicity and his reviews are fair.still expensive. And I can get my wheels to whatever size and shape I want.sway my< D=groups/S=1706043018:HM/EXP=1102462590/A=2434971/R=0/SIG=11eeoolb0/*htt p:/www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60185400> click here< s/S=:HM/A=2434971/rand=737151928>________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ the metal blackened.a whole new game.the prototype skip (albeit with different wheels):member? 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Re: The Truth about Romfords
Frank,
There is probably quite a bit, but the 3mm Society, like most UK socieities can only sell to members. The society price list is: But, as I mentioned, you need to be a society member to buy. Three Millimetre Scale Railways (3SMR) and Finney & Smith are both commercial companies which offer some 14.2 wheels. All the 3mm drivers use a shouldered axle for back-to-back spacing but the wheels are simply pressed on to a straight axle. In looking for items to be of use in 7mm I would suppose the solid wheels would be more useful than the spoked. Matt Message: 6 Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 22:05:34 -0000 From: "Frank Sharp" <Frank.J.Sharp@...> Subject: RE: RE: The Truth about Romfords Matt, Let's look at this the other way round, what is there in 3mm wheels which might work in 14mm narrow gauge? Frank __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at |
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O14 Standards
Hi All
I have revised the track standards document and moved it into a sub folder called 'O14 Standards' with the picture in a sub folder 'images'. If we find any more standards we can then put them in these folders which will keep it a bit tidier. I am still continuing to post the odd note about my slow progress on my Backwoods K1 Garratt on the 7mmnga group. Although this is 14mm gauge many of the issues are more general so I feel it better to continue to post there. Regards John C |
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Re: [O-14] Digest Number 5
Michel MASSOT
Hi Frank do uou have a drawing of your 14mm gauge
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Re: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels
Frank Sharp
Probably, but you should join!
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From: Mark Kendrick [mailto:trainbrain@...] Sent: 07 December 2004 00:02 To: O-14@... Subject: RE: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels Frank, They will be plastic inner, metal rim, metal axle. I can get gunmetal, nickel silver, brass, mild steel etc for metals, and delrin or other engineering plastics for inners. I'll have to find out if I can get the metal blackened. I've never got past laying flextrack before so materials for wheels is a whole new game. The coal skips wheels are a 6 flat spoke design, inside bearing. The coalskips to go with them will be for sale too sometime next year (in limited quantities, undecided on construction method). Heres a pic of the prototype skip (albeit with different wheels): Will Adrian review something from someone who isn't an Association member? Regards, Mark K -----Original Message----- Sent: Tuesday, 7 December 2004 10:44 AM To: O-14@... Subject: RE: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels Mark, How constructed, metal rim and plastic inner? Keep us in touch, 7mm diameter wheels (scale 12") might be of use to some of us. When you get some made, send Adrian Gray a set for review in Narrow Lines, it is good publicity and his reviews are fair. Frank Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT < D=groups/S=1706043018:HM/EXP=1102463919/A=2455397/R=0/SIG=119u9qmi7/*htt p:/smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/> click here < s/S=:HM/A=2455397/rand=918254474> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: O-14-unsubscribe@... <mailto:O-14-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <> Service. |
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Re: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels
Frank,
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They will be plastic inner, metal rim, metal axle. I can get gunmetal, nickel silver, brass, mild steel etc for metals, and delrin or other engineering plastics for inners. I'll have to find out if I can get the metal blackened. I've never got past laying flextrack before so materials for wheels is a whole new game. The coal skips wheels are a 6 flat spoke design, inside bearing. The coalskips to go with them will be for sale too sometime next year (in limited quantities, undecided on construction method). Heres a pic of the prototype skip (albeit with different wheels): Will Adrian review something from someone who isn't an Association member? Regards, Mark K -----Original Message-----
Sent: Tuesday, 7 December 2004 10:44 AM To: O-14@... Subject: RE: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels Mark, How constructed, metal rim and plastic inner? Keep us in touch, 7mm diameter wheels (scale 12") might be of use to some of us. When you get some made, send Adrian Gray a set for review in Narrow Lines, it is good publicity and his reviews are fair. Frank |
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Re: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels
Frank Sharp
Mark,
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How constructed, metal rim and plastic inner? Keep us in touch, 7mm diameter wheels (scale 12") might be of use to some of us. When you get some made, send Adrian Gray a set for review in Narrow Lines, it is good publicity and his reviews are fair. Frank -----Original Message-----
From: Mark Kendrick [mailto:trainbrain@...] Sent: 06 December 2004 23:40 To: O-14@... Subject: RE: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels G'day All, I simply want wheels for my own use, I can get them cheaper than importing them from the UK. And being a student cheapness is a major consideration. I do have some A G curly spoke 12mm wheels, they are very nice, but still expensive. And I can get my wheels to whatever size and shape I want. I'm going to get 12" dia coalskip wheels for myself anyway, and a larger diameter once I've decided what I want, or unless someone wants to sway my decision with a preferred size/shape. Regards, Mark K Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT < D=groups/S=1706043018:HM/EXP=1102462590/A=2434971/R=0/SIG=11eeoolb0/*htt p:/www.netflix.com/Default?mqso=60185400> click here < s/S=:HM/A=2434971/rand=737151928> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: O-14-unsubscribe@... <mailto:O-14-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <> Service. |
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Re: [O-14] Rollingstock Wheels
G'day All,
I simply want wheels for my own use, I can get them cheaper than importing them from the UK. And being a student cheapness is a major consideration. I do have some A G curly spoke 12mm wheels, they are very nice, but still expensive. And I can get my wheels to whatever size and shape I want. I'm going to get 12" dia coalskip wheels for myself anyway, and a larger diameter once I've decided what I want, or unless someone wants to sway my decision with a preferred size/shape. Regards, Mark K |
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Re: [O-14] RE: The Truth about Romfords
Frank Sharp
Matt,
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Let's look at this the other way round, what is there in 3mm wheels which might work in 14mm narrow gauge? Frank -----Original Message-----
From: mattjcoleman@... [mailto:mattjcoleman@...] Sent: 06 December 2004 21:26 To: O-14@... Subject: [O-14] RE: The Truth about Romfords Mark, Your comments are interesting but gave me quite a start. If the "14mm Romford axles" are actually 14.2 mm gauge they would also be dead-on for 3mm Finescale. Being a member of the 3mm society, I would think that there would have been a lot of interest had they actually been 14.2 mm gauge. Wheels have been a concern for the 3mm Society for a while and I don't recall any comments about them in the Society newsletter but I may have missed it. The other explanation is that even if they were 14.2 mm, the wheels wouldn't have been very useable in 3mm due to tire width and spoke count. Just another perspective on this. Thanks for mentioning it. Matt Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:50:43 +1100 From: "Mark Kendrick" <trainbrain@...> Subject: The Truth about Romfords G'day All, I have heard it said that Romford 14mm gauge axles are actually 14.2mm gauge for Sn3. According to John Clutterbug's recently posted standards info (in the files), there is an extra 0.1-0.2mm back to back on Romfords. Does it make all that much difference? I haven't laid any points yet, but the track I have is laid to 14mm exactly (even around 6" radius curves) and the Romfords track fine around it (I come from N using proprietry track so am unaware of the intricacies of handlaid finescale track). From what I can tell (left my calipers at work), its only the flange thickness that is different from the RCL wheelsets. If it does make a difference, would it be a good idea for us all to send our axles back to Romford saying they aren't to the right gauge and asking for suitable replacements? Regards, Mark K Sydney Oz Who spent an enjoyable weekend playing with 1:1 2' gauge trains __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT < D=groups/S=1706043018:HM/EXP=1102454790/A=2128215/R=0/SIG=10se96mf6/*htt p:/companion.yahoo.com> click here < s/S=:HM/A=2128215/rand=385759270> _____ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: O-14-unsubscribe@... <mailto:O-14-unsubscribe@...?subject=Unsubscribe> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of <> Service. |
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Re: The Truth about Romfords
Mark,
Your comments are interesting but gave me quite a start. If the "14mm Romford axles" are actually 14.2 mm gauge they would also be dead-on for 3mm Finescale. Being a member of the 3mm society, I would think that there would have been a lot of interest had they actually been 14.2 mm gauge. Wheels have been a concern for the 3mm Society for a while and I don't recall any comments about them in the Society newsletter but I may have missed it. The other explanation is that even if they were 14.2 mm, the wheels wouldn't have been very useable in 3mm due to tire width and spoke count. Just another perspective on this. Thanks for mentioning it. Matt Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 23:50:43 +1100 From: "Mark Kendrick" <trainbrain@...> Subject: The Truth about Romfords G'day All, I have heard it said that Romford 14mm gauge axles are actually 14.2mm gauge for Sn3. According to John Clutterbug's recently posted standards info (in the files), there is an extra 0.1-0.2mm back to back on Romfords. Does it make all that much difference? I haven't laid any points yet, but the track I have is laid to 14mm exactly (even around 6" radius curves) and the Romfords track fine around it (I come from N using proprietry track so am unaware of the intricacies of handlaid finescale track). From what I can tell (left my calipers at work), its only the flange thickness that is different from the RCL wheelsets. If it does make a difference, would it be a good idea for us all to send our axles back to Romford saying they aren't to the right gauge and asking for suitable replacements? Regards, Mark K Sydney Oz Who spent an enjoyable weekend playing with 1:1 2' gauge trains __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at |
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