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A bit more progress to report. If you looked at the last photos I added,
you will have seen that in one I had cut down the Kadee coupling and
drilled a hole through it. Since then I drilled another hole straight
into the end of the stub beyond the first hole, and Araldited a piece of
wire into it. Once set the coupling was pushed through the coupling
slot, the wire bend down (towards the track) and cut to just over 1 mm
in length. A Slater's buffer spring was the Adaldited across the wire.
See Lister 9

A cut out has been made in each end of the chassis block for the spring,
see Lister 8

I have unsoldered the function wires from the chip. To do it I have had
to remove the shrink wrap, but have replaced it with black which saves
painting it. I had looked at trying to give the driver a working
(glowing) fibre optic cigarette and a working hurricane lamp on the
footplate, both DCC controlled. I think it could be done, but what the
hell, it's Christmas..it's a new year challenge for someone.

I'm partly through painting, and then it is just assembly. I have
decided to try to keep the original motor and to shield the brushes
under the motor cover.

Next pictures should be completed model, I doubt it will be ready for
the new year, but hopefully early next week/month/year

Frank

For those of you who may have missed my post on the 7mmnga group, I
have produced some masters for replacement cylinder covers for the
Backwoods K1 Garratt. These are of the correct size and have the
correct number of bolts unlike (unfortunatley) the ones in the kit.
Recently Paul Martin of EDM Models has kindly offered to produce these
for me and is set up to handle international orders etc.
He can be contacted at:

Paul Martin
EDM models
paul@...
www.ngtrains.com

Regards
John Clutterbuck
2632

(2) If so are you using the RCL standard, if not
what variation are
you using?

None - finding Roy's stuff in North America -
forget it! The
only dealer I knew of, stopped handling RCL two
years ago.

Doug:

As a fellow "left-coaster" (Seattle) I hear your pain,
but I've had no problems getting Roy's products from
Parragon. They are very accomodating and using a
credit card eases the currency exchange. The purchase
arrived perfectly packaged--no damage whatsoever.

Dave Eggleston



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Greetings from the Left Coast, USA:

(1) Are you actually working to 14mm gauge?

No.

(2) If so are you using the RCL standard, if not what variation are
you using?

None - finding Roy's stuff in North America - forget it! The
only dealer I knew of, stopped handling RCL two years ago.

(3) What are you modelling?

Freelance On30 operation on an island.

(4) Are you on DC or DCC or thinking of the latter?

DC...eyeing DCC, but not convinced of its reliability.

(5) Be as vague as you choose, but roughly where are you?

Southern Coast, State of Oregon, USA

D.K. "Doug" Howard
President & Senior Stock Manipulator
Saint Andrew Island Railway
(Of Scottish, and Scotch-Irish Ancestry...Arbroath and Stonehaven
Area...)

Frank,

Very impressive, you are a lot braver than I am! If ever I get round to DCC the Lister will be the loco on (I think) channel 0, or whatever it is that can operate a DC only loco.

Regards

Steve

My answers are:

(1) Are you actually working to 14mm gauge?

Yes

(2) if so are you using the RCL standard, if not what variation are you using?

I'm using Roy's standards.

(3) What are you modelling?

The Brickworks (see NG&IRMR issues 29 & 33, Railway Modeller September 1998 & Narrow Lines Issues 116 & 117.

(4) Are you on DC or DCC or thinking of the latter?

Good old fashioned DC

(5) Be as vague as you choose, but roughly where are you?

Dorset, England

6) If you answered yes to (1), how long have you been modelling in O-14?

10 years now.


Regards & Seasons Greetings

Arthur Budd

I have loaded some photos into the photo section in a file called
Lister. By some miracle they seem to be a sensible size, I only wish I
could remember how I did it!

Lister 1
Top view, you can see that I have cut part of the footplate away under
the gear box. The red is the sleeve on the chip, will you notice it when
it's painted black?

Lister 2
This is the coupling pocket, drilled out, ground into a slot and cleaned
up with a fine file

Lister 3
The motor is the one supplied with the kit, I am worried that the
clearance between the brushes and the engine cover is so tight that I
might get shorts. With a DCC chip this will be fatal.

Lister 4
Branchlines new micromotor, just positioned to show how much more
clearance there should be. I have e-mailed Branchlines who say it is
rated at a maximum of 0.75 W at 12 volts, so it can draw 60 mW. However
Branchlines say that the windings are very fine and that it certainly
isn't recommended to run it at that for long. I won't be doing anything
which will make it so the old motor won't still fit.

Lister 5
The modified chassis block, the light catches where I have filed it away

Lister 6
Lister 2 was the modified coupling pocket, I have cut the pivot off the
Kadee and drilled a hole through the top of the coupling pocket, and
then drilled the hole in the coupling bar to match. My intention is to
drill into the end of the shortened coupling bar, and put in a short
length of wire. I think I can find room then for a Slaters buffer spring
to act to centre the Kadee.

Lister 7
Drawing of the footplate, I've cut away the green area.

That's progress so far, I know one or two are holding off DCC because
you aren't supposed to be able to do Roy's Lister, but I reckon I'm well
on the way to getting it done.

Further Episodes to come.

Frank

Just realised I answered question 2 incorrectly. I am using fine 00 standard, based around Romford loco wheels. Carriages and wagons were fitted with the finer Gibson wheels, but all are now being replaced with Romfords.
Dave.

--On 22 December 2004 15:36 +0000 DLTaylor <D.L.Taylor@...> wrote:

--On 19 December 2004 12:47 +0000 Frank Sharp <Frank.J.Sharp@...> wrote:

(1) Are you actually working to 14mm gauge?

No. I have gone too far down the path of larger narrow gauge railways on 16.5. Very little of my stock would be suitable for conversion. But then, if I suddenly get the urge to start again.....

(2) if so are you using the RCL standard, if not what variation are you
using

N/A

(3) What are you modelling

Imaginary "general carrier" in West Dorset, The Marshwood Vale Railway, centred on Bridport. Using various features from the Welshpool & Llanfair, Southwold, Manx, Irish lines, etc.

(4) Are you on DC or DCC or thinking of the latter

DC. Have given much thought to DCC, and can see the advantages, especially at shows, when we can get a bit tied up with two operators. No plans to take the plunge though.

(5) Be as vague as you choose, but roughly where are you

Glorious Devon

(6) Are we up for this?

Definitely!


Dave.T

--- In O-14@..., Roy Link <royclink@n...> wrote:

I'm not sure what Adrian means by 'engine notes sound weird'.

Although

electronically generated, they are faithful copies of real sounds.

Sorry it isn't clear, unlike Otto's sounds.......
What I meant was thhat the difference between 2 and 3 cylinder locos
might not be discerned by most.

Adrian

--- Frank Sharp <Frank.J.Sharp@...> wrote:


(1) Are you actually working to 14mm gauge?
Yes--for about 8 months on and off.

(2) if so are you using the RCL standard, if not
what variation are you using?
I'm using Roy's standards.

(3) What are you modelling
A sand pit in Argentina interchanging with the 75cm
FICA.

(4) Are you on DC or DCC or thinking of the latter
No DCC at this time. Unless I can figure a way to
mount it into an RCL Lister.

(5) Be as vague as you choose, but roughly where are
you
Redmond, Washington, USA (10 km east of Seattle).

Dave Eggleston




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Here are my answers (for what it's worth!):

(1) Are you actually working to 14mm gauge?

Yes - ish - I have a number of Roy Link's kits, but nowhere to run them at the moment

(2) if so are you using the RCL standard, if not what variation are you
using

I am using Roy Link's standards and Romford 'RP25' with the back-to-back and check gauge (back of one wheel to the outside of the other wheel's flange) 'tweaked' to suit Roy's standards. I have done this by carefully reducing the back of each wheel boss to suit the axle - not easy as I have found a bit of variation in the axles!

(3) What are you modelling

It's a secret - even I don't know but it is likely to be a forrestery line set on the Welsh/English border

(4) Are you on DC or DCC or thinking of the latter

Good old 'Digit'-al operation - I push the controller with my digit (finger).

(5) Be as vague as you choose, but roughly where are you

Up to my neck (as usual) near Gloucester


Regards and Merry Christmas to all,

Robin Edwards

--- In O-14@..., "Frank Sharp" <Frank.J.Sharp@t...> wrote:

Steve and All,

I said I would report on progress with RCL Lister and DCC. I've

spend

another afternoon playing with it, and I have got a DCC chip in.

I've

used the Digitrax DZ123, though with a bit more filing the ZTC 217

might

just go in the same place. It shows, you can see it, but when

painted

black I bet no-one ever spots it.

How well does she run on DCC? I am using DCC with 0-9 have just used
a couple of Lenz decoders and a couple of TCS - the TCS are OK the
Lenz are very good - I also model in HO and have Digitrax DCC systems
BUT I prefer Lenz decoders - why think of ZTC?

Bill

Frank,

Somehow I think the full size Baldwin may be completed before mine is!

You may want to look at the new "scale size" KD couplers #58 as I recall. They come out as a 1/2 size MCB coupler in 1/48 definitely suited for industrial use in 7mm.

Bill Uffelman
Las Vegas NV

Frank Sharp <Frank.J.Sharp@...> wrote:


Steve and All,

**

Sorry Roy, but next job is to find a way of fitting some cut down
Kadee's. Once I've got that sorted I'll post some pictures.

Frank





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Steve and All,

I said I would report on progress with RCL Lister and DCC. I've spend
another afternoon playing with it, and I have got a DCC chip in. I've
used the Digitrax DZ123, though with a bit more filing the ZTC 217 might
just go in the same place. It shows, you can see it, but when painted
black I bet no-one ever spots it.

Assemble the floor, frames and ends. Roy suggests holding it together
with florists wire whist soldering with a small gas torch. I used a
torch, but assembled the bits in a Skamulex block (Vermiculite) from
Squires with map pins. Drowned it in Bakers No. 3 flux, put bits of
solder where required and applied torch. It means it is well soldered
together, which it needs to be. Only then take a piercing saw and cut
out the flat plate between the chequer plate and where the motor cover
fits. On the chequer plate side there is a plain strip about 2mm wide,
file away all except the outer 3mm at each end. On the other side file
away the same strip up to the vertical edge of the angle section which
runs across the floor, leave the same 3mm ends.

On the chassis block, file or mill down the top of the chassis, just
where it is under the opening you have created in the floor. Take it
down until the shaft between the worms is only just clear of the file.
Don't file with the shaft in place, keep cleaning out the brass dust and
trying it.

Assemble chassis block to floor/frame assembly, the chip will JUST fit
into the recess formed in the floor. You need to file some of the
underside of the gearbox away so it will seat down properly on top of
the chip.

You lose most of the open space either side of the flat plate, but only
a few are going to notice. I bought the chip, and the ZTC one to see if
they would fit in the back of a portly driver, with the wires let into
the back of the legs. I still think this could be done.

I can fit isolated pickups on both sides, but I am worried about the
clearance of the brushes and the engine cover. I need to be sure they
are isolated and stay isolated. I have a Branchlines new micromotor and
it will fit with much more space to get the wires in, I just wonder if
it has the power for two worm gear sets.

Sorry Roy, but next job is to find a way of fitting some cut down
Kadee's. Once I've got that sorted I'll post some pictures.

Frank

I believe that Paragon supplies all of Roy's stuff. They were very helpful
to me on a recent order of his manual but I believe the binder is out of
stock so I received a plain one instead. I can't find the address but I am
sure somebody here has it.
Vincent

Dear Charles,

Sincere apologies, I got thoroughly confused with our dealings, to the point where
I put my head in the sand. Please confirm EXACTLY what you want, plus how
you want to pay, and I will get the order out after Christmas.

Regards,

Roy

Please remember that Ossynths systems are 'custom built' by Otto to suit individual requirements. I know Otto has built a system for someone to run three different locos (steam). you would need two separate systems, one for steam, one for IC, so could easily have two locos running at once. I know Otto is working on other clever additions, lights and smoke etc., being amongst them. His ingenuity never seems to falter, if you ask him for a feature not currently part of the system he will go away and think about it - and come up with a solution.

I'm not sure what Adrian means by 'engine notes sound weird'. Although electronically generated, they are faithful copies of real sounds. When I first ran the system in Norfolk, a friend came round to see the 'Lister stationary engine' he thought I had just started up!

Roy